DUST Search - [Idea] Amarr heavy weapon: impaler (heavy scrambler)

Komodo Jones wrote:

And now that I read more of it, great concept! But a heavy weapon who's dps is only 190...look I understand that rifles are getting a nerf and infantry combat is just getting a complete makeover but that's a bit low, honestly I would take any rifle over that, at long range when an enemy hasn't seen you yet and they're out of cover it seems like a great weapon but what happens when conditions aren't perfect? pew...pew...pew...in those 3 seconds any other gun will have wiped out all of a heavy's health, meanwhile you did 570, not much on the field that can be killed with that.

I don't know what infantry combat in 1.8 is going to be like so I can't really speculate how well this would fit but yes while the damage over time, per round, per clip, before the overheat, is great and worthy of a heavy weapon... it takes 11 seconds to do that 2000 damage if you land every hit...by a basic HMG this damage could be done in about 2.5-3 seconds and then keep on going, by a forge gun this damage could be done in like 8 seconds tops and still keep going, literally every gun's dps is higher, and several of them have the same range

Double the firing speed and then I'll be interested.

I understand that the numbers don't matter and really results do but if the numbers are that disproportionate you can predict something will go wrong.

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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9747	Posted - 2014.03.04 05:47:00 - [1] - Quote Alternate name: crucifier [General idea] Amarr Heavy weapon Semi-automatic High pinpoint hipfire accuracy No aim-down-sight High damage Medium range Low rate of fire Heat buildup and overheat Laser damage profile (+20% damage against shields, -20% damage against armor) Decent against vehicles [Preliminary stats (standard tier)] Damage: 190 Rate of fire: 60 rounds per minute (1 per second). Alternatively, it could be charge to fire (like forge gun) with 1 second charge time Damage per second: 190 (it fires 1 round per second) Accuracy rating: Range (optimal/effective): 50/70 meters Magazine: 20 Reload speed: 6 seconds Overheat: after 7 consecutive shots (1,330 damage before overheating, enough to kill most heavies) Feedback damage: 100 Efficacy all against vehicles: 50% (must also factor damage profile). [Purpose]* A high alpha damage precision marksmen weapon suitable for anti-infantry combat from close to mid-long ranges, and capable dealing similar damage per second as a sniper rifle at close range with hipfire, wile also being semi-effective against vehicles for versatility. The HMG is a great weapon for dealing with infantry at close range, but it is terrible for precision shots, and also terrible at mid-long ranges. The forge gun has amazing range, but the long charge time makes it not ideal for fighting infantry; the large aiming crosshair makes it not quite a precision weapon either. The impaler (or crucifier) would provide heavies with a precision anti-infantry, and mid-long range option they are currently lacking, while also providing them modest anti-vehicle capabilities. The impaler (or crucifer) would allow a heavy to take the role of a good marksmen. he high alpha damage would make it very effective, but the low DPS would keep it from being overpowered. "Why not just use a scrambler rifle and keep charge shotting?" That would be a recipe for very quick overheat, and the impaler (or crucifier) would do more damage per second. The charge function of the scrambler rifle multiplies damage by 3.5, so a standard fully charged scrambler rifle does 252 damage, but the charge time is 2 seconds, so the damage per second is only 126. The impaler (or crucifier) does 190 damage per second at standard tier, and largely exceeds the damage per second of charge shots. Furthermore, the impaler (or crucifier) could fire 7 shots before overheating and dealing 1,330 damage, while the scrambler rifle would overheat after just 3 consecutive charge shots dealing only 756 damage. [Appearance] A big long Golden Amarr weapon held similarly like the forge gun or HMG with handle is on the side of the weapon. The weapon envelops the hand of the holder. Visual inspiration: here, here, here, & here Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7100	Posted - 2014.03.04 06:07:00 - [2] - Quote I aprove of this weapon, as the alpha is scary while the low DPS stops it from being OP. It's just scary Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 4681	Posted - 2014.03.04 06:28:00 - [3] - Quote Like a Plasma Cannon that actually rewards you for having good aiming skill instead of laughing at how stupid you were to even try and use it. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 846	Posted - 2014.03.04 06:38:00 - [4] - Quote I think I know a few amarrians who would enjoy this. I know I would, but as a caldari I fear it more. This and the arc cannon, this being the anti infantry heavy weapon for the amarr.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7102	Posted - 2014.03.04 06:52:00 - [5] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: I think I know a few amarrians who would enjoy this. I know I would, but as a caldari I fear it more. This and the arc cannon, this being the anti infantry heavy weapon for the amarr. It would do 288 damage against shields and 192 damage against armor when you have prof V and a complex damage mod on. Be afraid, be very afraid. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9749	Posted - 2014.03.04 15:18:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: I think I know a few amarrians who would enjoy this. I know I would, but as a caldari I fear it more. This and the arc cannon, this being the anti infantry heavy weapon for the amarr. It would do 288 damage against shields and 192 damage against armor when you have prof V and a complex damage mod on. Be afraid, be very afraid. Image with 2 compex damage mods and proto... Sooooooo coooooooool Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1222	Posted - 2014.03.04 15:30:00 - [7] - Quote Supportin' Sounds much better than my own idea for an Amarr heavy weapon. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9750	Posted - 2014.03.04 15:40:00 - [8] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Supportin' Sounds much better than my own idea for an Amarr heavy weapon. Just searched your post, and found your idea for the Amarr heavy weapon. That one is also pretty cool, though I don't think the coilgun is needed since Caldari already have the forge gun, and the Gallente one didn't sound that interesting. The laser cannon idea sounds very fun. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1224	Posted - 2014.03.04 16:00:00 - [9] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Supportin' Sounds much better than my own idea for an Amarr heavy weapon. Just searched your post, and found your idea for the Amarr heavy weapon. That one is also pretty cool, though I don't think the coilgun is needed since Caldari already have the forge gun, and the Gallente one didn't sound that interesting. The laser cannon idea sounds very fun. Yeah I realized how sucky the Gallente one sounded after hearing about a Plasma Flamethrower . I'm still attached to the Coil Gun though because the Forge Gun isn't that great as an Anti-Personnel weapon. Sure, one hit kills people but it takes too much of an effort to aim for most and the charge up time can put you in a bad predicament. Edit: And also thanks lol, the Laser Cannon doesn't sound as bad as I thought but still prefer your weapon in comparison. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9757	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:51:00 - [10] - Quote Anyone else want to impale enemies? Might make an alt called Vlad the Impaler to use this gun. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 121	Posted - 2014.03.05 01:57:00 - [11] - Quote I certainly approve of this, if only because impale reminds me of my one true Master, Lord Vader. If they give us the ability to paint job our suits using Aurum, an Amarr Exalt paint job that makes a heavy completely gold, wielding this weapon would make them seem like god on the battlefield. Kage, I understand why you have almost 10,000 likes :) I may be Minmatar, but I will hold that ridge until victory, or I become one with the sand. Long live my battle brothers
The-Errorist 538	Posted - 2014.03.05 04:44:00 - [12] - Quote Really nice weapon idea. I really like how it would be balanced against infantry and still be somewhat useful against vehicles.
Rasp Terriblz Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 0	Posted - 2014.03.05 04:58:00 - [13] - Quote Tachyon beam cannon? The way you describe it shooting makes me think of an Abaddon with tachy beams going to work!
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 461	Posted - 2014.03.05 05:08:00 - [14] - Quote i like the concept but i think it should have semi lock-on and by that i mean it have a little red circle (or something) and will lock on to a target after .5-.9 seconds (depending on variant / tier) once locked on they stay locked on until you stop locking on or they break line of sight can fire without lock on to lock on you zoom in(doesn't actually zoom in) when you fire while locked on it will do minor corrections to hit target( no more than 10 degrees) Proud Christian add p2p already!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9772	Posted - 2014.03.05 07:31:00 - [15] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: i like the concept but i think it should have semi lock-on and by that i mean it have a little red circle (or something) and will lock on to a target after .5-.9 seconds (depending on variant / tier) once locked on they stay locked on until you stop locking on or they break line of sight can fire without lock on to lock on you zoom in(doesn't actually zoom in) when you fire while locked on it will do minor corrections to hit target( no more than 10 degrees) I don't think its needed with perfect hipfire accuracy Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 569	Posted - 2014.03.05 07:32:00 - [16] - Quote Sounds like the amarr scrambler lance I've heard rumors about This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9772	Posted - 2014.03.05 07:34:00 - [17] - Quote Komodo Jones wrote: Sounds like the amarr scrambler lance I've heard rumors about Turns out CCP Logibro was just trolling on IRC when he said the scrambler lance, and its not like there was an actual description mentioned. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 569	Posted - 2014.03.05 07:53:00 - [18] - Quote And now that I read more of it, great concept! But a heavy weapon who's dps is only 190...look I understand that rifles are getting a nerf and infantry combat is just getting a complete makeover but that's a bit low, honestly I would take any rifle over that, at long range when an enemy hasn't seen you yet and they're out of cover it seems like a great weapon but what happens when conditions aren't perfect? pew...pew...pew...in those 3 seconds any other gun will have wiped out all of a heavy's health, meanwhile you did 570, not much on the field that can be killed with that. I don't know what infantry combat in 1.8 is going to be like so I can't really speculate how well this would fit but yes while the damage over time, per round, per clip, before the overheat, is great and worthy of a heavy weapon... it takes 11 seconds to do that 2000 damage if you land every hit...by a basic HMG this damage could be done in about 2.5-3 seconds and then keep on going, by a forge gun this damage could be done in like 8 seconds tops and still keep going, literally every gun's dps is higher, and several of them have the same range Double the firing speed and then I'll be interested. I understand that the numbers don't matter and really results do but if the numbers are that disproportionate you can predict something will go wrong. This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9783	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:06:00 - [19] - Quote Komodo Jones wrote: And now that I read more of it, great concept! But a heavy weapon who's dps is only 190...look I understand that rifles are getting a nerf and infantry combat is just getting a complete makeover but that's a bit low, honestly I would take any rifle over that, at long range when an enemy hasn't seen you yet and they're out of cover it seems like a great weapon but what happens when conditions aren't perfect? pew...pew...pew...in those 3 seconds any other gun will have wiped out all of a heavy's health, meanwhile you did 570, not much on the field that can be killed with that. I don't know what infantry combat in 1.8 is going to be like so I can't really speculate how well this would fit but yes while the damage over time, per round, per clip, before the overheat, is great and worthy of a heavy weapon... it takes 11 seconds to do that 2000 damage if you land every hit...by a basic HMG this damage could be done in about 2.5-3 seconds and then keep on going, by a forge gun this damage could be done in like 8 seconds tops and still keep going, literally every gun's dps is higher, and several of them have the same range Double the firing speed and then I'll be interested. I understand that the numbers don't matter and really results do but if the numbers are that disproportionate you can predict something will go wrong. I get your issue with it, but high alpha and high DPS combined together would lead to balance issue. The HMG has really high DPS, but sacrifices a lot of range for it. The impaler concept has very good range compared to the HMG, and very high alpha damage, so I think a DPS tradeoff is fair. I think doubled fire rate would be too much, but I think I would be fine with like 1.5 rounds per second (90 rounds per minute) for 285 DPS if a buff is needed. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 571	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:01:00 - [20] - Quote yeeeeeeah that's fair that gives a little room for the upgrades to increase the dps without getting too ridiculous This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.

501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 134	Posted - 2014.03.06 11:33:00 - [21] - Quote Oh goodness if this weapon ever was created, I'd never run into open fields again... IDGAF who you are. You shot at my Corp, now I WILL kill you. Only question is: Will you fight back?
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 334	Posted - 2014.03.06 12:30:00 - [22] - Quote I'd still run with my trusty HMG, but this looks pretty good, no real complaints from me. Do you have any concept art of it? I'd love to see some sort of drawing for it. I also created my own weapon concept, the Aether Hive, if you'd like I could draw you some basic concept art, just tell me what you'd want it to look like. :D Unleash the Fogwoggler
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9805	Posted - 2014.03.06 14:54:00 - [23] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: I'd still run with my trusty HMG, but this looks pretty good, no real complaints from me. Do you have any concept art of it? I'd love to see some sort of drawing for it. I also created my own weapon concept, the Aether Hive, if you'd like I could draw you some basic concept art, just tell me what you'd want it to look like. :D I have no concept art for it, but I have a variety of images linked in the bottom of the original post to act as visual inspiration, they each contain elements of what I would like to see, but the first one is almost perfect. I encourage you to click them. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9883	Posted - 2014.03.10 20:03:00 - [24] - Quote /me impales all those who disagree Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9899	Posted - 2014.03.11 19:13:00 - [25] - Quote Perhaps impaling enemies just isn't as popular as it once was. Look at that pretty background. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
The-Errorist 556	Posted - 2014.03.13 06:44:00 - [26] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Perhaps impaling enemies just isn't as popular as it once was. Look at that pretty background. That does look pretty nice.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9943	Posted - 2014.03.14 22:24:00 - [27] - Quote Shrike would also be a good name for it, a bird that impales others. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 330	Posted - 2014.03.15 02:17:00 - [28] - Quote Honestly it lacks.....flavor.....a charge.....an overheat....something.....maybe a rather large projectile or beam.....a charge would be nice but that's kind of the scrambler rifles thing..... 1 Maybe it just has one gigantic magazine so it never reloads but if fired too many times it will overheat 2 Or it could charge but instead of increasing the damage of the shot it makes the beam larger...great for swatting pesky lavs as they speed by Great idea but it needs some spice I'd like an automatic version or idea 2 above Real heavies use lasers
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9944	Posted - 2014.03.15 02:20:00 - [29] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: Honestly it lacks.....flavor.....a charge.....an overheat....something.....maybe a rather large projectile or beam.....a charge would be nice but that's kind of the scrambler rifles thing..... 1 Maybe it just has one gigantic magazine so it never reloads but if fired too many times it will overheat 2 Or it could charge but instead of increasing the damage of the shot it makes the beam larger...great for swatting pesky lavs as they speed by Great idea but it needs some spice I'd like an automatic version or idea 2 above It does have overheat. I don't think it needs a charge, but that would also be cool I suppose. An automatic "assault" variant would be nice. EDIT: OOH! What if the charge makes burst it fire many rapid consecutive beams! Charge for 3 seconds and it fires 2 beams, charge for 4 seconds and it fires 3 beams. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
zzZaXxx The Exemplars Top Men. 240	Posted - 2014.03.15 09:01:00 - [30] - Quote I think this would be great as an assault variant of a heavy laser cannon. There needs to be one more heavy weapon designed for use against vehicles and which is stronger against shields, complementing the forge gun. It can't be Gallente as their heavy weapon must be mainly for close range. Basically a heavy version of the laser rifle would do the trick. A very long range beam (less range than forge fun) that does more damage as it stays on its target would be very effective against tanks and dropships. It would also be moderately effective against infantry in that it could sweep across whole areas. It would be hard to keep the reticule on infantry, so it wouldn't be OP against them. Heat build up could be adjusted to make sure it's not OP against vehicles. It would melt vehicle shields but wouldn't be able to take down vehicles too fast due to reduced damage to armor and the need to let it cool down. Finally, firing the beam would reduce mobility, similar to when the forge gun is charged. Plus having a constant heavy beam buzzing from a sleek Amarr heavy weapon would be amazing! Having an assault variant that functions more as a pulse laser than a beam would make perfect sense. Reduced potential damage and shorter range would be balanced by increased mobility while engaging and slower heat build up. What do you think?



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