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Croned 594	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:01:00 - [1] - Quote Ever wanted a direct comparison among weapons to see which one really does kill the fastest? Well, in this thread, I've compiled the Time-to-Kill for most of the rapid-fire, bullet-based weapons when attempting to kill a basic Medium C-1 dropsuit, a basic Medium G-1 suit, a basic Medium M-1 suit, and a basic Medium A-1 suit. Note: All weapons are basic, and calculations are based off of stats from http://wiki.dust514.info/ and here. Caldari Medium Frame C-I: Assault Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .449 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .314 seconds -------TTK-Total is .763 seconds Combat Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .345 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .170 seconds -------TTK-Total is .515 seconds Note: The CR is semi-auto, and these calculations were made using the max RPM w/o charge. Most people cannot shoot this fast. Rail Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .551 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .258 seconds -------TTK-Total is .809 seconds* Scrambler Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .207 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .177 seconds -------TTK-Total is .384 seconds Note: The ScR is semi-auto, and these calculations were made using the max RPM w/o charge. Most people cannot shoot this fast. SMG -------TTK-Shields is .632 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .312 seconds -------TTK-Total is .944 seconds* Scrambler Pistol -------TTK-Shields is .365 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .313 seconds -------TTK-Total is .678 seconds HMG -------TTK-Shields is .414 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .205 seconds -------TTK-Total is .619 seconds Gallente Medium Frame G-I: Assault Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .257 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .549 seconds -------TTK-Total is .806 seconds Combat Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .197 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .298 seconds -------TTK-Total is .495 seconds Note: The CR is semi-auto, and these calculations were made using the max RPM w/o charge. Most people cannot shoot this fast. Rail Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .315 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .451 seconds -------TTK-Total is .766 seconds* Scrambler Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .118 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .310 seconds -------TTK-Total is .428 seconds Note: The ScR is semi-auto, and these calculations were made using the max RPM w/o charge. Most people cannot shoot this fast. SMG -------TTK-Shields is .361 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .545 seconds -------TTK-Total is .906 seconds* Scrambler Pistol -------TTK-Shields is .208 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .547 seconds -------TTK-Total is .755 seconds HMG -------TTK-Shields is .237 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .205 seconds -------TTK-Total is .442 seconds Minimatar Medium Frame M-I: Coming Soon Amarr Medium Frame A-I: Coming Soon Son of a plasma cannon!
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3867	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:04:00 - [2] - Quote very interesting, +1 for compilation Scout- "I'm going to knife you my commando!!!" commando turns around Commando- "FAAAAALCCCOOONNNNN PUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!"
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 813	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:10:00 - [3] - Quote So people complaining about CR should also be bitching about Scr? Got it. In all seriousness, the Scr does more damage in one OH than the Cr does in a clip. Not to mention the fact the Scr does 3200 damage a clip AND reloads faster than the Cr, AND hits farther, AND can charge for 800 damage 1 shots. No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ Proud owner of 69 'Fleshriver' Nk's. No i don't buy AUR
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 767	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:12:00 - [4] - Quote +1 OP. I've been looking for hard numbers for while on the basic racial weapons with the massive QQ threads on RR/CR. I still contend the TTK is no worse than it was for the SCR and AR before the newer rifles came out. The fact that a lot of folks jumped into the RR and CR since they were new has skewed things in my opinion. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
KatanaPT Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 520	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:14:00 - [5] - Quote Good post! Tech Guard Recruiting Spot
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 307	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:37:00 - [6] - Quote Is the charge shot take into account on the scrambler it doesnt look like it but iam curious, good to have the numbers also are the suits fitted or are they straight out of the box with no modules?
Croned 599	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:43:00 - [7] - Quote Update: Added M-1 Son of a plasma cannon!
Croned 599	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:44:00 - [8] - Quote Ranger SnakeBlood wrote: Is the charge shot take into account on the scrambler it doesnt look like it but iam curious, good to have the numbers also are the suits fitted or are they straight out of the box with no modules? Jay only reason people complain so much about the CR and RR is its anti armor thats what the majority of the player base run these days for what i can only assume is obvious reasons, the scrambler is still more dangerous to armor due to its raw DPS capability as shown above along with all the advantages the Scr has also than the CR and as a sheild tanker i can tell you it is damn right fatal to a minmatar suit damn near instantly. No charge on ScR, the dropsuits have no modules and the player has no module skills. Son of a plasma cannon!
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 307	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:46:00 - [9] - Quote Croned wrote: Ranger SnakeBlood wrote: Is the charge shot take into account on the scrambler it doesnt look like it but iam curious, good to have the numbers also are the suits fitted or are they straight out of the box with no modules? Jay only reason people complain so much about the CR and RR is its anti armor thats what the majority of the player base run these days for what i can only assume is obvious reasons, the scrambler is still more dangerous to armor due to its raw DPS capability as shown above along with all the advantages the Scr has also than the CR and as a sheild tanker i can tell you it is damn right fatal to a minmatar suit damn near instantly. No charge on ScR, the dropsuits have no modules and the player has no module skills. Very good interesting so far some things i didnt expect.
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 4189	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:47:00 - [10] - Quote Stats alone mean nothing, as it's possible to miss. I'm better with SMGs than I am with assault CBRs I am your scan error.

Buster Friently Rosen Association 1898	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:47:00 - [11] - Quote Croned wrote: Ever wanted a direct comparison among weapons to see which one really does kill the fastest? Well, in this thread, I've compiled the Time-to-Kill for most of the rapid-fire, bullet-based weapons when attempting to kill a basic Medium C-1 dropsuit, a basic Medium G-1 suit, a basic Medium M-1 suit, and a basic Medium A-1 suit. Note: All weapons are basic, and calculations are based off of stats from http://wiki.dust514.info/ and here. Update: Added M-1 Caldari Medium Frame C-I: Assault Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .449 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .314 seconds -------TTK-Total is .763 seconds Combat Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .345 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .170 seconds -------TTK-Total is .515 seconds Note: The CR is semi-auto, and these calculations were made using the max RPM w/o charge. Most people cannot shoot this fast. Rail Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .551 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .258 seconds -------TTK-Total is .809 seconds* Scrambler Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .207 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .177 seconds -------TTK-Total is .384 seconds Note: The ScR is semi-auto, and these calculations were made using the max RPM w/o charge. Most people cannot shoot this fast. SMG -------TTK-Shields is .632 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .312 seconds -------TTK-Total is .944 seconds* Scrambler Pistol -------TTK-Shields is .365 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .313 seconds -------TTK-Total is .678 seconds HMG -------TTK-Shields is .414 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .205 seconds -------TTK-Total is .619 seconds Gallente Medium Frame G-I: Assault Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .257 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .549 seconds -------TTK-Total is .806 seconds Combat Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .197 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .298 seconds -------TTK-Total is .495 seconds Note: The CR is semi-auto, and these calculations were made using the max RPM w/o charge. Most people cannot shoot this fast. Rail Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .315 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .451 seconds -------TTK-Total is .766 seconds* Scrambler Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .118 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .310 seconds -------TTK-Total is .428 seconds Note: The ScR is semi-auto, and these calculations were made using the max RPM w/o charge. Most people cannot shoot this fast. SMG -------TTK-Shields is .361 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .545 seconds -------TTK-Total is .906 seconds* Scrambler Pistol -------TTK-Shields is .208 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .547 seconds -------TTK-Total is .755 seconds HMG -------TTK-Shields is .237 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .205 seconds -------TTK-Total is .442 seconds Minimatar Medium Frame M-I: Assault Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .321 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .353 seconds -------TTK-Total is .674 seconds Combat Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .247 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .192 seconds -------TTK-Total is .439 seconds Note: The CR is semi-auto, and these calculations were made using the max RPM w/o charge. Most people cannot shoot this fast. Rail Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .394 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .290 seconds -------TTK-Total is .684 seconds* Scrambler Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .148 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .199 seconds -------TTK-Total is .347 seconds Note: The ScR is semi-auto, and these calculations were made using the max RPM w/o charge. Most people cannot shoot this fast. SMG -------TTK-Shields is .451 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .351 seconds -------TTK-Total is .802 seconds* Scrambler Pistol -------TTK-Shields is .261 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .352 seconds -------TTK-Total is .613 seconds HMG -------TTK-Shields is .296 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .230 seconds -------TTK-Total is .526 seconds Amarr Medium Frame A-I: Coming Soon Thanks for providing actual data. I guess the takeaway is that TTK is indeed, far too low, across the board when it comes to the hitscan weapons atleast.
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 307	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:55:00 - [12] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Croned wrote: Ever wanted a direct comparison among weapons to see which one really does kill the fastest? Well, in this thread, I've compiled the Time-to-Kill for most of the rapid-fire, bullet-based weapons when attempting to kill a basic Medium C-1 dropsuit, a basic Medium G-1 suit, a basic Medium M-1 suit, and a basic Medium A-1 suit. Note: All weapons are basic, and calculations are based off of stats from http://wiki.dust514.info/ and here. Update: Added M-1 Caldari Medium Frame C-I: Assault Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .449 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .314 seconds -------TTK-Total is .763 seconds Combat Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .345 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .170 seconds -------TTK-Total is .515 seconds Note: The CR is semi-auto, and these calculations were made using the max RPM w/o charge. Most people cannot shoot this fast. Rail Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .551 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .258 seconds -------TTK-Total is .809 seconds* Scrambler Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .207 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .177 seconds -------TTK-Total is .384 seconds Note: The ScR is semi-auto, and these calculations were made using the max RPM w/o charge. Most people cannot shoot this fast. SMG -------TTK-Shields is .632 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .312 seconds -------TTK-Total is .944 seconds* Scrambler Pistol -------TTK-Shields is .365 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .313 seconds -------TTK-Total is .678 seconds HMG -------TTK-Shields is .414 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .205 seconds -------TTK-Total is .619 seconds Gallente Medium Frame G-I: Assault Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .257 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .549 seconds -------TTK-Total is .806 seconds Combat Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .197 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .298 seconds -------TTK-Total is .495 seconds Note: The CR is semi-auto, and these calculations were made using the max RPM w/o charge. Most people cannot shoot this fast. Rail Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .315 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .451 seconds -------TTK-Total is .766 seconds* Scrambler Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .118 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .310 seconds -------TTK-Total is .428 seconds Note: The ScR is semi-auto, and these calculations were made using the max RPM w/o charge. Most people cannot shoot this fast. SMG -------TTK-Shields is .361 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .545 seconds -------TTK-Total is .906 seconds* Scrambler Pistol -------TTK-Shields is .208 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .547 seconds -------TTK-Total is .755 seconds HMG -------TTK-Shields is .237 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .205 seconds -------TTK-Total is .442 seconds Minimatar Medium Frame M-I: Assault Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .321 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .353 seconds -------TTK-Total is .674 seconds Combat Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .247 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .192 seconds -------TTK-Total is .439 seconds Note: The CR is semi-auto, and these calculations were made using the max RPM w/o charge. Most people cannot shoot this fast. Rail Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .394 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .290 seconds -------TTK-Total is .684 seconds* Scrambler Rifle -------TTK-Shields is .148 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .199 seconds -------TTK-Total is .347 seconds Note: The ScR is semi-auto, and these calculations were made using the max RPM w/o charge. Most people cannot shoot this fast. SMG -------TTK-Shields is .451 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .351 seconds -------TTK-Total is .802 seconds* Scrambler Pistol -------TTK-Shields is .261 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .352 seconds -------TTK-Total is .613 seconds HMG -------TTK-Shields is .296 seconds -------TTK-Armor is .230 seconds -------TTK-Total is .526 seconds Amarr Medium Frame A-I: Coming Soon Thanks for providing actual data. I guess the takeaway is that TTK is indeed, far too low, across the board when it comes to the hitscan weapons atleast. Keep in mind that these are unfitted suits being shot at with 100% accuracy iam guessing in theit optimal for judging TKK on this in general a hostile will not fall that quick, that being said TTK is too low but not by the extreme these numbers look.
Croned 602	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:01:00 - [13] - Quote If you're looking to accurately compare the weapons, look at the Amarr stats when I finish them, as the Amarr suit has equal shields/armor. Son of a plasma cannon!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7039	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:02:00 - [14] - Quote The charged shot really makes the SCR. Nothing stands in my way once I switch to my Amarr assault ak.0. Except for tanks. And dropships. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 84	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:03:00 - [15] - Quote While this is a nice thread... its pretty much null and void with 1.8 changing weapon stats on most if not all rifles.
Deltahawk Durango Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 115	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:04:00 - [16] - Quote stop quoting the entire post please and thank you +1 for post I don't believe in an eye for an eye... I believe in two eyes for an eye!
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 86	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:12:00 - [17] - Quote Deltahawk Durango wrote: stop quoting the entire post please and thank you +1 for post But everyone loves scrolling through the giant walls of text over and over and over again!
Croned 602	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:13:00 - [18] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: While this is a nice thread... its pretty much null and void with 1.8 changing weapon stats on most if not all rifles. Actually, I think it's perfect timing. A big point CCP is making about 1.8 is that they're trying to raise TTK. Now we'll see how much and for what weapons. Added Amarr stats btw. Son of a plasma cannon!
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 230	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:14:00 - [19] - Quote (sarcasm power activate.) Clearly shows how OP the Rail Rifle is.. otherwise good job! Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Croned 602	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:16:00 - [20] - Quote Also, look at the AR/RR comparison for the Amarr suit. Anyone want to remind me what people were QQing about in terms of the Rail Rifle (other than ranges)? They look pretty even to me. Son of a plasma cannon!

Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1866	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:20:00 - [21] - Quote Ranger SnakeBlood wrote: Keep in mind that these are unfitted suits being shot at with 100% accuracy iam guessing in theit optimal for judging TKK on this in general a hostile will not fall that quick, that being said TTK is too low but not by the extreme these numbers look. Basically what your saying, is that in perfect practice TTK is about 2-3 times these numbers? Gotcha. lolOPRR. Thanks for just noting about the fact that ScR and CR are human operations, and that because of that, the TTK (generally, unless you have the finger of god) falls in line with the other rifles. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10278	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:20:00 - [22] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: So people complaining about CR should also be bitching about Scr? Got it. In all seriousness, the Scr does more damage in one OH than the Cr does in a clip. Not to mention the fact the Scr does 3200 damage a clip AND reloads faster than the Cr, AND hits farther, AND can charge for 800 damage 1 shots. With the SCR being a semi-auto weapon, it never reaches its max fire rate without a modded controller. The SCR does not do more damage in one overheat than the CR does in a clip, you're wrong there (unless comparing an unproficiencied STD CR to a prof 5 triple damage mod Viziam, and even then it's a close thing). Damage per clip is meaningless on the SCR given that you can never actually fire off an entire clip in an engagement. Reload speed is equally meaningless, you want to be looking at the cooldown time. It does hit further, yeah, although the CR has a better scope. 800 damage charge shots is a massive exaggeration. If you have literally everything going for you with an SCR, you cannot hit 800 damage in one shot. One volley, perhaps, but not one shot. A triple damage modded proficiency 5 Viziam scoring a headshot against shields will not hit 800 damage. IIRC though, you're a scout. As a result, you're inherently vulnerable to alpha spikes. vOv You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10278	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:22:00 - [23] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Ranger SnakeBlood wrote: Keep in mind that these are unfitted suits being shot at with 100% accuracy iam guessing in theit optimal for judging TKK on this in general a hostile will not fall that quick, that being said TTK is too low but not by the extreme these numbers look. Basically what your saying, is that in perfect practice TTK is about 2-3 times these numbers? Gotcha. lolOPRR. Thanks for just noting about the fact that ScR and CR are human operations, and that because of that, the TTK (generally, unless you have the finger of god) falls in line with the other rifles. Or a modded controller. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3084	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:22:00 - [24] - Quote Interesting that the HMG is still not the fastest killing weapon even in its optimal.
Croned 602	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:25:00 - [25] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Ranger SnakeBlood wrote: Keep in mind that these are unfitted suits being shot at with 100% accuracy iam guessing in theit optimal for judging TKK on this in general a hostile will not fall that quick, that being said TTK is too low but not by the extreme these numbers look. Basically what your saying, is that in perfect practice TTK is about 2-3 times these numbers? Gotcha. lolOPRR. Thanks for just noting about the fact that ScR and CR are human operations, and that because of that, the TTK (generally, unless you have the finger of god) falls in line with the other rifles. Or a modded controller. Yes, hence why I decided to include the stats of the CR and ScR anyway. Son of a plasma cannon!
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1866	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:26:00 - [26] - Quote Croned wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Ranger SnakeBlood wrote: Keep in mind that these are unfitted suits being shot at with 100% accuracy iam guessing in theit optimal for judging TKK on this in general a hostile will not fall that quick, that being said TTK is too low but not by the extreme these numbers look. Basically what your saying, is that in perfect practice TTK is about 2-3 times these numbers? Gotcha. lolOPRR. Thanks for just noting about the fact that ScR and CR are human operations, and that because of that, the TTK (generally, unless you have the finger of god) falls in line with the other rifles. Or a modded controller. Yes, hence why I decided to include the stats of the CR and ScR anyway. I thought that everybody burned their modded controllers following the grand TAR nerf? Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Croned 602	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:27:00 - [27] - Quote Also, I'm kind of busy atm, so if anyone would like to help me out and put this data into graphs, I'll quote you in the original post. Son of a plasma cannon!
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1862	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:42:00 - [28] - Quote Croned wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Ranger SnakeBlood wrote: Keep in mind that these are unfitted suits being shot at with 100% accuracy iam guessing in theit optimal for judging TKK on this in general a hostile will not fall that quick, that being said TTK is too low but not by the extreme these numbers look. Basically what your saying, is that in perfect practice TTK is about 2-3 times these numbers? Gotcha. lolOPRR. Thanks for just noting about the fact that ScR and CR are human operations, and that because of that, the TTK (generally, unless you have the finger of god) falls in line with the other rifles. Or a modded controller. Yes, hence why I decided to include the stats of the CR and ScR anyway. It's not humanly possible to reach that DPS on the ScR - I doubt most people can over saturate even the Carthum Assault ScP. I would think it'd be a far more honest comparison were this taken into account. I do know people who can comfortably squeeze out 1000-1100 RPM from the CR, though. 400 (1200/3) is a far easier target. At any rate, good information, and thanks for taking down some data. Forge on for great justice! Defend the meek! Destroy the weak! Q-sync breaches into the rectum of everyone else!
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 606	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:08:00 - [29] - Quote A great job on compiling the stats. True to form, and quite contrary to forum QQ, the RR isn't the OP killer many say, even if you subtract the charge up time from your numbers it still only stacks up evenly, and is a distant 3rd or 4th when compared with the other weapons.
Tectonic Fusion 1165	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:17:00 - [30] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: The charged shot really makes the SCR. Nothing stands in my way once I switch to my Amarr assault ak.0. Except for tanks. And dropships. It's a very tactical weapon. I would like a silencer to go with my charged headshots please. Solo Player Squad status: Locked

Croned 604	Posted - 2014.03.03 05:26:00 - [31] - Quote Update: Added a graph for the A-1 dropsuit. I'm only going to do a graph for the A-1 because it has an equal amount of shields to armor and therefore most accurately compares the weapons. Son of a plasma cannon!
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1562	Posted - 2014.03.03 06:06:00 - [32] - Quote Very nice, OP.
WARxion ForDUST Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2	Posted - 2014.03.03 06:14:00 - [33] - Quote Very nice job, thanks for your efforts! While TTK seems a bit low the weapons and the suits are surprisingly balanced.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 232	Posted - 2014.03.03 11:24:00 - [34] - Quote Can you go into more detail how you tested? Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 451	Posted - 2014.03.03 11:29:00 - [35] - Quote so run a commando with a scr and cr using a modded controller right? Proud Christian add p2p already!
KatanaPT Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 520	Posted - 2014.03.03 11:32:00 - [36] - Quote Graph says Scrambler Pistol? Tech Guard Recruiting Spot
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2132	Posted - 2014.03.03 11:36:00 - [37] - Quote Assuming these are calculated at optimal ranges it shows the problem with the longer rifle. A difference of less than a 10th of a second on a weapon with twice the range is really a no brainer. Also OP I don't know if its possible but could calculate the scrambler rifle being fully charged with each shot? Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 632	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:09:00 - [38] - Quote Croned wrote: Also, look at the AR/RR comparison for the Amarr suit. Anyone want to remind me what people were QQing about in terms of the Rail Rifle (other than ranges)? They look pretty even to me. Yeah this shows CCPs understanding of balance giving long range and short range weapons roughly the same DPS is really stupid and we TOLD them but they did not listen.... Not to speak from the CR/SR well at least for the SR this is known for quite some time...So i think this won't change...
Vanell Sin Dust2Dust. Top Men. 68	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:12:00 - [39] - Quote +1 BUFF THE SCRAMBLE RIFLE Im playing since Uprising 1.0 and still have 8m SP.Im I doing something wrong? We are immortal Deal with it
Croned 613	Posted - 2014.03.03 13:54:00 - [40] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Can you go into more detail how you tested? They're calculations made from stats on the Dust Wiki. I found hits-to-kill based on HP/damage (with armor & shield bonuses taken into account) and then used the RPM to calculate how long it would take to make said hits-to-kill Remember that these are basic suits with no damage mods being shot at optimal ranges with every hit landing, such as when sneaking up on a sniper. Son of a plasma cannon! TTK of the Weapons

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4743	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:12:00 - [41] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: So people complaining about CR should also be bitching about Scr? Got it. In all seriousness, the Scr does more damage in one OH than the Cr does in a clip. Not to mention the fact the Scr does 3200 damage a clip AND reloads faster than the Cr, AND hits farther, AND can charge for 800 damage 1 shots. I already ***** about the scrambler rifle, but that's more because it's made to erase my Minja ass more than anything else. Also why you don't see me making threads about them. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 464	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:27:00 - [42] - Quote Good stuff. Thanks OP. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 161	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:51:00 - [43] - Quote I cant believe some of you are dismissing the RR effectiveness based on this. The reason the RR is "OP" is because of the damage that can be done at range (the other weapons cant do their optimal dmg) by an auto weapon while also being able to be aimed easily at CQC distances. All of its supposed drawbacks are negligible The CR should have at least a hard delay so you can fire fast but not practically make it full auto. The other option would be to introduce a jamming mechanic where multiple successive fast pulls of the trigger causes it to jam. The AR needs to fire more like a blaster (bigger impact area) and possibly more damage but less range. The ScR needs to decrease its damage but increase the charge shot multiplier to promote more tactical fire. Personally I also think it carries too much ammo for the damage it does. "Shine bright like a diamond"
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 511	Posted - 2014.03.03 18:26:00 - [44] - Quote You combine this with Aim Assist and that theoretical damage becomes very achievable in the hands of almost any mouthbreather. Now add higher tier weapons, damage mods, skills, and the occasional headshot, and this helps paint the picture of what's happening on the field. The overall situation is unacceptable and is hampering the population growth of the game. All the rifles need a 30% nerf and some added dispersion.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion League of Infamy 534	Posted - 2014.03.03 20:24:00 - [45] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: You combine this with Aim Assist and that theoretical damage becomes very achievable in the hands of almost any mouthbreather. Now add higher tier weapons, damage mods, skills, and the occasional headshot, and this helps paint the picture of what's happening on the field. The overall situation is unacceptable and is hampering the population growth of the game. All the rifles need a 30% nerf and some added dispersion. Best thing I've heard all day. Now where did I leave that mass driver???
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 134	Posted - 2014.03.03 21:35:00 - [46] - Quote dont suppose you could add weapon endurance numbers to your post op? Disney 514
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 104	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:17:00 - [47] - Quote Hahaha the time to kill is about the same for COD and BF. Well more or less since you can increase health and damage.
Croned 622	Posted - 2014.03.04 01:15:00 - [48] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: dont suppose you could add weapon endurance numbers to your post op? for example just of the top of my head the ar will fire for 4 seconds killing X amount of C 1 frames. no didnt think so These are base stats. Use simple math to figure out multiple dropsuits. Master Smurf wrote: I cant believe some of you are dismissing the RR effectiveness based on this. The reason the RR is "OP" is because of the damage that can be done at range (the other weapons cant do their optimal dmg) by an auto weapon while also being able to be aimed easily at CQC distances. All of its supposed drawbacks are negligible The CR should have at least a hard delay so you can fire fast but not practically make it full auto. The other option would be to introduce a jamming mechanic where multiple successive fast pulls of the trigger causes it to jam. The AR needs to fire more like a blaster (bigger impact area) and possibly more damage but less range. The ScR needs to decrease its damage but increase the charge shot multiplier to promote more tactical fire. Personally I also think it carries too much ammo for the damage it does. Knowing that CCP is nerfing the rifles in 1.8, I wholeheartedly hope that this is how they did so. Son of a plasma cannon! TTK of the Weapons
Croned 624	Posted - 2014.03.05 00:31:00 - [49] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: You combine this with Aim Assist and that theoretical damage becomes very achievable in the hands of almost any mouthbreather. Now add higher tier weapons, damage mods, skills, and the occasional headshot, and this helps paint the picture of what's happening on the field. The overall situation is unacceptable and is hampering the population growth of the game. All the rifles need a 30% nerf and some added dispersion. I just can't imagine how short these TTK times would be damage mods and non-basic weapons. Son of a plasma cannon! TTK of the Weapons
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 245	Posted - 2014.03.05 13:38:00 - [50] - Quote So how will the changes effect the rail riffle. It has the lowest fire rate and giving the largest Nerf which should hurt the gun even more. You already proven the community effect was the cause for all the r r hate. Idiots think the thing is better at cqc.. they just can't comprehend the damage profile against armor is better giving it a false illusion of better cqc. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!

Croned 624	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:03:00 - [51] - Quote What are everyone's thoughts now that we have the stats for the 1.8 nerfs and the new weapons? Son of a plasma cannon! TTK of the Weapons
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7880	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:04:00 - [52] - Quote Ignore my ignorant ass self "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
Croned 624	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:23:00 - [53] - Quote New TTKs for the rifles (1.8) against an A-1 suit: AR: .969 seconds CR: .654 seconds (subject to click speed) RR: 1.006 seconds ScR: .490 seconds (subject to click speed) SMG: 1.009 seconds Scrambler Pistol: .782 seconds (no change) HMG: .662 seconds (no change) Son of a plasma cannon! TTK of the Weapons


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