DUST Search - Event Idea: Redline Removal

The Robot Devil wrote:

Henchmen21 wrote:

John Demonsbane wrote:

Henchmen21 wrote:

John Demonsbane wrote:

Your idea is bad and you should feel bad.

Whats the difference with the redline? You can tell the outcome of any match within the first 30 seconds. Whether you win or lose depends on what side of the stomping you are on. Nobody uses the redline to regroup they use it to be invulnerable while they snipe with a thales or a rail tank. Is making those people kill-able really going to change the always inevitable outcome?

It makes it immeasurably worse. With no redline, organized teams like Nyain San or anyone with good pilots (ADS and HAV) who have SSD's on their system will simply bypass the objectives entirely and blitzkrieg to the MCC/groundspawn and turn EVERY game mode into tankbush. A couple scouts will run around in the background (maybe) and hack the objectives while everyone else takes part in the slaughter.

Short-sighted people like the OP need to stop obsessing about the redline and focus on the REAL problems. Fix the academy/NPE, fix the economic problems that allow 24/7 protostomping and tank spam. Fix f*cking matchmaking for chrissake, that eliminates 90% of the so-called "problems" with the redline.

Think past step 1!

There's a reason I said make it a week long event, you know so as not to break the game forever there after but to gain info as to what would happen and thus how to adjust the redline in order to land somewhere between the two extremes.

How will moving the redline help this time? It is either too close and they can shoot out and we can shoot in or it is too far and it takes forever to get somewhere. We have had different kinds of redlines and this one is about the best. The redline placement isn't a problem.

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Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 688	Posted - 2014.03.02 14:52:00 - [1] - Quote Give us a week with no redline and let the chips fall where they may. Maybe they'll learn something from it and figure out a way to fix it. CCP your matchmaking still sucks. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 213	Posted - 2014.03.02 15:12:00 - [2] - Quote Wait do you mean all the redlines? As in you can just leave the battlefield and go off into the sunset? My, that sounds wonde- Thale headshot Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2759	Posted - 2014.03.02 15:16:00 - [3] - Quote Frankly wont happen, end up with the enemy waiting under the MCC like back in close beta and most games will end up with 1 side in the MCC Intelligence is OP
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 688	Posted - 2014.03.02 15:24:00 - [4] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly wont happen, end up with the enemy waiting under the MCC like back in close beta and most games will end up with 1 side in the MCC So nothing really changes from 75% of current matches. Save for the fact you don't have tanks being all but invulnerable in the redline. CCP your matchmaking still sucks. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Mr Retsof VI Swiss Bank of New Eden 4	Posted - 2014.03.02 15:48:00 - [5] - Quote +1 "War is money...if you have it, you win."
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 611	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:10:00 - [6] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Give us a week with no redline and let the chips fall where they may. Maybe they'll learn something from it and figure out a way to fix it. I can SEE it NOW !!! no rly go play Battlefield !! you want to know whats its like play that then think of a Pro Storm of stomping with a dusting of tanks vets to top off the 1st team and give the other team a truck full of fresh Noobs! you seeing it NOW the way i do !? Good now lets forget WE had to talk about this ! Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 209	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:16:00 - [7] - Quote That would kill this game by the third day. When do we start? DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2187	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:19:00 - [8] - Quote Your idea is bad and you should feel bad. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 688	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:25:00 - [9] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Your idea is bad and you should feel bad. Whats the difference with the redline? You can tell the outcome of any match within the first 30 seconds. Whether you win or lose depends on what side of the stomping you are on. Nobody uses the redline to regroup they use it to be invulnerable while they snipe with a thales or a rail tank. Is making those people kill-able really going to change the always inevitable outcome? CCP your matchmaking still sucks. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1891	Posted - 2014.03.02 16:30:00 - [10] - Quote Event Idea: RR/CR/AR/SCR and damage mod removal I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans

Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1393	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:23:00 - [11] - Quote Great idea OP! [leaves match after match, grabs beer, watches this game slowly burn] Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 688	Posted - 2014.03.02 17:55:00 - [12] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Great idea OP! [leaves match after match, grabs beer, watches this game slowly burn] Again please explain how that is any different then the current system? CCP your matchmaking still sucks. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Henrietta Unknown Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors 17	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:37:00 - [13] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly wont happen, end up with the enemy waiting under the MCC like back in close beta and most games will end up with 1 side in the MCC inb4 dropship pilots attempt to breach the enemy MCC's bay.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1892	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:41:00 - [14] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly wont happen, end up with the enemy waiting under the MCC like back in close beta and most games will end up with 1 side in the MCC I remember those days..................................... RIP missile tanks I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Atiim 5168	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:55:00 - [15] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Great idea OP! [leaves match after match, grabs beer, watches this game slowly burn] "Slowly" Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 619	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:57:00 - [16] - Quote Henrietta Unknown wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly wont happen, end up with the enemy waiting under the MCC like back in close beta and most games will end up with 1 side in the MCC inb4 dropship pilots attempt to breach the enemy MCC's bay. Big Poppa Smurf had a video of that. I can't seem to find it, though. They had one hell of a dropship pilot who'd get them in through the bay doors and then they'd all jump out and mow down the AFKers until the redline timer killed them. Now is the winter of our non-content. Ghosts Chance's hero for 3/1/14.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 161	Posted - 2014.03.02 20:03:00 - [17] - Quote just doesn't seem feasible with 16 vs 16.. you would run around with no one bottleneck which is what the battlefield currently is- the redline makes the current battlefield a big bottleneck for 32 players. without that the top player would have like 6 kills. like if 5 players decided to play the objective and the rest just run around a huge map would be pretty stupid. tho maybe could work if it was some kind of free roam which i doubt we'll have anytime soon u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 690	Posted - 2014.03.02 20:09:00 - [18] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: just doesn't seem feasible with 16 vs 16.. you would run around with no one bottleneck which is what the battlefield currently is- the redline makes the current battlefield a big bottleneck for 32 players. without that the top player would have like 6 kills. like if 5 players decided to play the objective and the rest just run around a huge map would be pretty stupid. tho maybe could work if it was some kind of free roam which i doubt we'll have anytime soon I suppose I should have said even redlines, as in it's the same for both teams. CCP your matchmaking still sucks. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2187	Posted - 2014.03.02 20:47:00 - [19] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Your idea is bad and you should feel bad. Whats the difference with the redline? You can tell the outcome of any match within the first 30 seconds. Whether you win or lose depends on what side of the stomping you are on. Nobody uses the redline to regroup they use it to be invulnerable while they snipe with a thales or a rail tank. Is making those people kill-able really going to change the always inevitable outcome? It makes it immeasurably worse. With no redline, organized teams like Nyain San or anyone with good pilots (ADS and HAV) who have SSD's on their system will simply bypass the objectives entirely and blitzkrieg to the MCC/groundspawn and turn EVERY game mode into tankbush. A couple scouts will run around in the background (maybe) and hack the objectives while everyone else takes part in the slaughter. Short-sighted people like the OP need to stop obsessing about the redline and focus on the REAL problems. Fix the academy/NPE, fix the economic problems that allow 24/7 protostomping and tank spam. *Fix fcking matchmaking for chrissake, that eliminates 90% of the so-called "problems" with the redline. Think past step 1! "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics"** -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1403	Posted - 2014.03.02 20:59:00 - [20] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Great idea OP! [leaves match after match, grabs beer, watches this game slowly burn] Again please explain how that is any different then the current system? Well, in the current system I stay in the match. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!

noobsniper the 2nd The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 208	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:20:00 - [21] - Quote Henrietta Unknown wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Frankly wont happen, end up with the enemy waiting under the MCC like back in close beta and most games will end up with 1 side in the MCC inb4 dropship pilots attempt to breach the enemy MCC's bay. Ive done it its a tight fit but doable just call me scumbag noob MAG vet raven ftw
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 690	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:22:00 - [22] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Your idea is bad and you should feel bad. Whats the difference with the redline? You can tell the outcome of any match within the first 30 seconds. Whether you win or lose depends on what side of the stomping you are on. Nobody uses the redline to regroup they use it to be invulnerable while they snipe with a thales or a rail tank. Is making those people kill-able really going to change the always inevitable outcome? It makes it immeasurably worse. With no redline, organized teams like Nyain San or anyone with good pilots (ADS and HAV) who have SSD's on their system will simply bypass the objectives entirely and blitzkrieg to the MCC/groundspawn and turn EVERY game mode into tankbush. A couple scouts will run around in the background (maybe) and hack the objectives while everyone else takes part in the slaughter. Short-sighted people like the OP need to stop obsessing about the redline and focus on the REAL problems. Fix the academy/NPE, fix the economic problems that allow 24/7 protostomping and tank spam. *Fix fcking matchmaking for chrissake**, that eliminates 90% of the so-called "problems" with the redline. Think past step 1! There's a reason I said make it a week long event, you know so as not to break the game forever there after but to gain info as to what would happen and thus how to adjust the redline in order to land somewhere between the two extremes. CCP your matchmaking still sucks. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1782	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:27:00 - [23] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: That would kill this game by the third day. When do we start? You could start by biomassing your clone. If you want the game to fail then why even have a character or come to the forums? Just another troll that hurts the game instead of trying to add to the game or contribute to trying to make it better. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1782	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:29:00 - [24] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Your idea is bad and you should feel bad. Whats the difference with the redline? You can tell the outcome of any match within the first 30 seconds. Whether you win or lose depends on what side of the stomping you are on. Nobody uses the redline to regroup they use it to be invulnerable while they snipe with a thales or a rail tank. Is making those people kill-able really going to change the always inevitable outcome? It makes it immeasurably worse. With no redline, organized teams like Nyain San or anyone with good pilots (ADS and HAV) who have SSD's on their system will simply bypass the objectives entirely and blitzkrieg to the MCC/groundspawn and turn EVERY game mode into tankbush. A couple scouts will run around in the background (maybe) and hack the objectives while everyone else takes part in the slaughter. Short-sighted people like the OP need to stop obsessing about the redline and focus on the REAL problems. Fix the academy/NPE, fix the economic problems that allow 24/7 protostomping and tank spam. *Fix fcking matchmaking for chrissake**, that eliminates 90% of the so-called "problems" with the redline. Think past step 1! There's a reason I said make it a week long event, you know so as not to break the game forever there after but to gain info as to what would happen and thus how to adjust the redline in order to land somewhere between the two extremes. How will moving the redline help this time? It is either too close and they can shoot out and we can shoot in or it is too far and it takes forever to get somewhere. We have had different kinds of redlines and this one is about the best. The redline placement isn't a problem. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 690	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:47:00 - [25] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Your idea is bad and you should feel bad. Whats the difference with the redline? You can tell the outcome of any match within the first 30 seconds. Whether you win or lose depends on what side of the stomping you are on. Nobody uses the redline to regroup they use it to be invulnerable while they snipe with a thales or a rail tank. Is making those people kill-able really going to change the always inevitable outcome? It makes it immeasurably worse. With no redline, organized teams like Nyain San or anyone with good pilots (ADS and HAV) who have SSD's on their system will simply bypass the objectives entirely and blitzkrieg to the MCC/groundspawn and turn EVERY game mode into tankbush. A couple scouts will run around in the background (maybe) and hack the objectives while everyone else takes part in the slaughter. Short-sighted people like the OP need to stop obsessing about the redline and focus on the REAL problems. Fix the academy/NPE, fix the economic problems that allow 24/7 protostomping and tank spam. *Fix fcking matchmaking for chrissake**, that eliminates 90% of the so-called "problems" with the redline. Think past step 1! There's a reason I said make it a week long event, you know so as not to break the game forever there after but to gain info as to what would happen and thus how to adjust the redline in order to land somewhere between the two extremes. How will moving the redline help this time? It is either too close and they can shoot out and we can shoot in or it is too far and it takes forever to get somewhere. We have had different kinds of redlines and this one is about the best. The redline placement isn't a problem. If this is the best well then that's right up CCP's ally. I mean if giving one side a huge advantage or giant hills to rail gun dropships from is the best they can do well I can't say I am shocked. CCP your matchmaking still sucks. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1782	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:08:00 - [26] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: If this is the best well then that's right up CCP's ally. I mean if giving one side a huge advantage or giant hills to rail gun dropships from is the best they can do well I can't say I am shocked. Battles are always fair and everyone should have exactly equal skills and gear on a smooth flat surface. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 690	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:42:00 - [27] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: If this is the best well then that's right up CCP's ally. I mean if giving one side a huge advantage or giant hills to rail gun dropships from is the best they can do well I can't say I am shocked. Battles are always fair and everyone should have exactly equal skills and gear on a smooth flat surface. Winning a battle should never come down to which side you spawn on. That was my point, if you want to extrapolate it to the ******** extremes you did well that's your problem. CCP your matchmaking still sucks. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2189	Posted - 2014.03.03 05:54:00 - [28] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Your idea is bad and you should feel bad. Whats the difference with the redline? You can tell the outcome of any match within the first 30 seconds. Whether you win or lose depends on what side of the stomping you are on. Nobody uses the redline to regroup they use it to be invulnerable while they snipe with a thales or a rail tank. Is making those people kill-able really going to change the always inevitable outcome? It makes it immeasurably worse. With no redline, organized teams like Nyain San or anyone with good pilots (ADS and HAV) who have SSD's on their system will simply bypass the objectives entirely and blitzkrieg to the MCC/groundspawn and turn EVERY game mode into tankbush. A couple scouts will run around in the background (maybe) and hack the objectives while everyone else takes part in the slaughter. Short-sighted people like the OP need to stop obsessing about the redline and focus on the REAL problems. Fix the academy/NPE, fix the economic problems that allow 24/7 protostomping and tank spam. *Fix fcking matchmaking for chrissake, that eliminates 90% of the so-called "problems" with the redline. Think past step 1! There's a reason I said make it a week long event, you know so as not to break the game forever there after but to gain info as to what would happen and thus how to adjust the redline in order to land somewhere between the two extremes. Well at least you are doing it as an experiment unlike those who see only the thing right in front of their eyes as the only problem. Even still, IMO it's safe to stay that even worse stomping and higher ragequit rates will be the inevitable outcome because the redline isn't the real problem. Very few people would sit in the redline if there was a fair battle with an incentive to push the objectives, it's as simple as that. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics"** -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1797	Posted - 2014.03.03 06:25:00 - [29] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: If this is the best well then that's right up CCP's ally. I mean if giving one side a huge advantage or giant hills to rail gun dropships from is the best they can do well I can't say I am shocked. Battles are always fair and everyone should have exactly equal skills and gear on a smooth flat surface. Winning a battle should never come down to which side you spawn on. That was my point, if you want to extrapolate it to the ******** extremes you did well that's your problem. I have been crushed and I have been the on the side doing the rolling and it comes down to teamwork a good team with squads on com do much better than a bunch of yoo-hoos that play in traffic. Every time I get rolled it is either because the other team is better or our team just sucks. The redline is there because you don't know stomping until you've played without a redline. Makes todays stomps look like a joke. You could literally pull up in a HAV and hold down fire at their spawn and get kills. Try to spawn in with 10 mercs on foot and two HAV with two gunners each. The reason I wrote that is because all I see on the forums and hear in game is how these people win because this is OP and those people win because that is OP but if you look all the way back to the beta it is the same people winning or the same group winning. It isn't the gear, vehicle or terrain because it is them and you both of which have access to the same stuff. I would like to see a graph on how many deaths occur from within the redzone. If it is less than 5% then there is absolutely no problem what so ever. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 640	Posted - 2014.03.03 06:32:00 - [30] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: There's a reason I said make it a week long event, you know so as not to break the game forever there after but to gain info as to what would happen and thus how to adjust the redline in order to land somewhere between the two extremes. I've played a few games where there is no spawn protection. What happens? They fight for a little bit, till one side gets their knees blasted out one way or another... then there is spawn camping galore until the loosing team either all quits, or just sits in one spot waiting for the timer to run out. The only games I've seen pull it off have team scrambling, and prevent players from having squads of any form. Unfortunately, we have Squads. You can look at it this way, the game has a fuse that is burning down, as it is now the fuse is being slowed by the impediment we call the Redline. Remove this impediment and that fuse is going to burn away at full speed till nothing is left. In a game with as little content as DUST a week may be far too long. Not without some form of PvE or interesting deployment mechanic to substitute the Redline. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming



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