DUST Search - RDV Pilot/Company should pay for lost vehicles.

zingyy wrote:

Alright... well since this topic has received sssoo much attention I shall now proceed to tell you all the things that are wrong with this idea and why is should never happen in any game

1) Hynox is stupid and often blurts out things that usually make no sense and should be completely ignored.

2) RDV are more than likely manned by some sort of android robot that is incapable of making its own decisions therefore it should not be to blame when something goes wrong but whomever directed the robot to do what it did should be held accountable for what happens. This is not only because the player is fully aware of what the RDV will most likely do but also is fully aware of the possibilities of calling anything down in a war location.

3) There should always be some sort of punishment when the PLAYER does something wrong (I say player in caps because it is not the RDV that makes the choices it is the player) if there was no punishment for such things punishing for other things like say jumping into lave would be questioned and that would be unacceptable. I believe that dust is not only a rewarding game but it is a game that defines its successes only by the magnitude of its punishments(i.e.an economy, factional warfare, planetary conquest. )

Well I believe I have made my point clear and I hope Hynox stops making his random stupid ideas public for the world to ravished and dwell upon.

P.S I have some more points to make on this subject if anyone was not convinced by these three.

"This is war. You never want to fight fair. You want to sneak up behind your enemy and club him over the head."

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Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 190	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:12:00 - [1] - Quote Now for some reason every time I say this, people think I'm insane and say I lack a basic understanding of property laws, but if an RDV pilot gets your vehicle or himself destroyed BEFORE you have control over your vehicle, shouldn't he be the one who has to pay for it? I mean, if you ordered something online, and the truck delivering it to you crashes on the way there, why the ** would they make you pay for the item you ordered because it got destroyed while out of your control. The deliveryman would obviously be the one who paid for it, or at least the company he works for. Every time I tell someone this on Dust they think i am ***** crazy. Am I insane for not wanting to pay for something that was destroyed prior to me having physical ownership of it? Also if RDV pilots get destroyed because they were called into a heated warzone, then they should just say "lolno, too dangerous." and if you insist, THEN they can charge you for endangering their pilots. Make sure to tell me I'm crazy and have no understanding of property and delivery laws. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:13:00 - [2] - Quote Cool, so next time I park in the wrong spot and get towed, they should foot the bill for me parking there! Sounds wonderful!!
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 190	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:16:00 - [3] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Cool, so next time I park in the wrong spot and get towed, they should foot the bill for me parking there! Sounds wonderful!! I think you missed the point. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
noobsniper the 2nd Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 199	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:17:00 - [4] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Cool, so next time I park in the wrong spot and get towed, they should foot the bill for me parking there! Sounds wonderful!! Completely off topic and in no way relates to post just call me scumbag noob MAG vet raven ftw
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:18:00 - [5] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: I think you missed the point. Negative, you missed mines.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1318	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:18:00 - [6] - Quote Did you pay extra for insurance? No? Then they are not obliged to compensate you for your loss. That's how shipping real packages works, at least, I think. When you asked them to deliver it somewhere hazardous, you accepted the risk of damage or destruction prior to delivery. They should pay in a perfect carebear world, but this is New Eden, they are not required to, and therefore won't.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 190	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:18:00 - [7] - Quote noobsniper the 2nd wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Cool, so next time I park in the wrong spot and get towed, they should foot the bill for me parking there! Sounds wonderful!! Completely off topic and in no way relates to post You forgot to say your ******* crazy Hynox you have no idea what your talking about. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 190	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:20:00 - [8] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Did you pay extra for insurance? No? Then they are not obliged to compensate you for your loss. That's how shipping real packages works, at least, I think. When you asked them to deliver it somewhere hazardous, you accepted the risk of damage or destruction prior to delivery. They should pay in a perfect carebear world, but this is New Eden, they are not required to, and therefore won't. But this is my point, in a world motivated by corporate gain and money, how the **** do I get charged because the deliveryman derped? AND LETS BE HONEST HERE, MY DELIVERYMAN DERPS ALOT. I would pay for insurance in a heartbeat. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:20:00 - [9] - Quote noobsniper the 2nd wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Cool, so next time I park in the wrong spot and get towed, they should foot the bill for me parking there! Sounds wonderful!! Completely off topic and in no way relates to post Yes it does. You're just not smart enough to get it.
noobsniper the 2nd Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 201	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:24:00 - [10] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: noobsniper the 2nd wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Cool, so next time I park in the wrong spot and get towed, they should foot the bill for me parking there! Sounds wonderful!! Completely off topic and in no way relates to post Yes it does. You're just not smart enough to get it. Hey man u parked there thats your fault when a rdv gets blown up on its way there thats not YOUR fault therefore you shouldn't pay for it just call me scumbag noob MAG vet raven ftw

Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 190	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:26:00 - [11] - Quote noobsniper the 2nd wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: noobsniper the 2nd wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Cool, so next time I park in the wrong spot and get towed, they should foot the bill for me parking there! Sounds wonderful!! Completely off topic and in no way relates to post Yes it does. You're just not smart enough to get it. Hey man u parked there thats your fault when a rdv gets blown up on its way there thats not YOUR fault therefore you shouldn't pay for it Excuse me sir you need to pay for the delivery truck as well as all of it's cargo because our driver was busy masturbating whilst driving. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 251	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:28:00 - [12] - Quote i want to be a Pilot RDV so i can put rem exp and crash into a rail tank while being invisible. (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1319	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:30:00 - [13] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Did you pay extra for insurance? No? Then they are not obliged to compensate you for your loss. That's how shipping real packages works, at least, I think. When you asked them to deliver it somewhere hazardous, you accepted the risk of damage or destruction prior to delivery. They should pay in a perfect carebear world, but this is New Eden, they are not required to, and therefore won't. But this is my point, in a world motivated by corporate gain and money, how the **** do I get charged because the deliveryman derped? AND LETS BE HONEST HERE, MY DELIVERYMAN DERPS ALOT. I would pay for insurance in a heartbeat. Because the RDV company's desire for corporate gain is more powerful than your single merc's. Their legal team makes sure they don't pay a cent more than they have to, and given that we can't seem to sue them, they have to pay nothing at all.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:31:00 - [14] - Quote noobsniper the 2nd wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: noobsniper the 2nd wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Cool, so next time I park in the wrong spot and get towed, they should foot the bill for me parking there! Sounds wonderful!! Completely off topic and in no way relates to post Yes it does. You're just not smart enough to get it. Hey man u parked there thats your fault when a rdv gets blown up on its way there thats not YOUR fault therefore you shouldn't pay for it Parking spot = battlefield. Chance of succesful parking and not getting caught = chance of RDV exploding on battlefield en route to vehicle drop off or not. Either case, your responsibility. You ever heard of, **** happens?
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 190	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:38:00 - [15] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: noobsniper the 2nd wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: noobsniper the 2nd wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Cool, so next time I park in the wrong spot and get towed, they should foot the bill for me parking there! Sounds wonderful!! Completely off topic and in no way relates to post Yes it does. You're just not smart enough to get it. Hey man u parked there thats your fault when a rdv gets blown up on its way there thats not YOUR fault therefore you shouldn't pay for it Parking spot = battlefield. Chance of succesful parking and not getting caught = chance of RDV exploding on battlefield en route to vehicle drop off or not. Either case, your responsibility. You ever heard of, **** happens? Please explain to me how a clearly deranged RDV pilot who I do not legally own is my responsibility. Just because CCP made this the mechanic doesn't mean it makes sense/should be defended yo. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 190	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:45:00 - [16] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Because the RDV company's desire for corporate gain is more powerful than your single merc's. Their legal team makes sure they don't pay a cent more than they have to, and given that we can't seem to sue them, they have to pay nothing at all. I'd like to the the court case that rules that the buyer of a product is charged a fee because the deliveryman didn't do his job. If CCP actually wants to have a working in-game economy, they should probably learn basic delivery laws. Being in space doesn't mean people can ******* charge you because they failed to deliver something. They way I see it, until the vehicle is physically on the ground, and the RDV pilot no longer has physical ownership of it, the RDV pilot/company is still legally liable for it, because you know, thats how delivery services work. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 190	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:54:00 - [17] - Quote Seems like people are defending the game's mechanics for the sake of defending the game, I'm fairly certain everyone would like it if their RDV doesn't charge them for the vehicle that got rail gunned before it even touched the ground. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2014.03.02 00:57:00 - [18] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: Seems like people are defending the game's mechanics for the sake of defending the game, I'm fairly certain everyone would like it if their RDV doesn't charge them for the vehicle that got rail gunned before it even touched the ground. Spoken not for the sake of, Hynox. If its gunned down by a rail, well, its gunned down by a rail. It's a battlefield. I expect things to happen to a big ship that decloaks with a new toy being delivered to some no name mercenary hiding behind a trailer.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 190	Posted - 2014.03.02 01:00:00 - [19] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Hynox Xitio wrote: Seems like people are defending the game's mechanics for the sake of defending the game, I'm fairly certain everyone would like it if their RDV doesn't charge them for the vehicle that got rail gunned before it even touched the ground. Spoken not for the sake of, Hynox. If its gunned down by a rail, well, its gunned down by a rail. It's a battlefield. I expect things to happen to a big ship that decloaks with a new toy being delivered to some no name mercenary hiding behind a trailer. I'm fine with RDV's getting destroyed, I'm even fine with refusing to deliver in a high-combat area, I just hate having to pay for cars I never got to drive, nor do I think others should have to pay for cars I blow up mid-transport. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 930	Posted - 2014.03.02 01:09:00 - [20] - Quote LOL IRL I think individual mercs don't own their tanks either. It's not like being a trucker for hire with his own truck. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.

Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 191	Posted - 2014.03.02 01:11:00 - [21] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: LOL IRL I think individual mercs don't own their tanks either. It's not like being a trucker for hire with his own truck. I detect apologism, sir! Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Hecarim Van Hohen ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 487	Posted - 2014.03.02 01:12:00 - [22] - Quote RDV's don't have pilots, they are drones, drones owned by the corporation you fight for and are only following a command that you sent from your neocom handpad thing. You made the call so you foot the bill. RDV AI could be tuned a bit though BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 198	Posted - 2014.03.02 01:34:00 - [23] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: RDV's don't have pilots, they are drones, drones owned by the corporation you fight for and are only following a command that you sent from your neocom handpad thing. You made the call so you foot the bill. RDV AI could be tuned a bit though EDIT [url]http://dust514.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicles[/url] Actually their human pilots, hence theres a cockpit and a windshield. I believe CCP also had some sort of concept art blatantly showing an RDV pilot, although I wouldn't blame you for not trusting concept art. BUT THAT WINDSHIELD THO EDIT: Yes I read the wiki and I dare say the wiki is wrong. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Hecarim Van Hohen ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 487	Posted - 2014.03.02 01:52:00 - [24] - Quote Windshield? There is no windshield that I've noticed. Also the wiki is quite accurate, trust me. BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 527	Posted - 2014.03.02 02:41:00 - [25] - Quote Other than 1 hilarious time an RDV released my CEOs Dropship from about the map ceiling, i've never seen an RDV crash for no reason. If it got shot down, if it crashed into another RDV, if you got killed before you could get into your chosen vehicle, thats on you. Be more careful and pay more attention. This is akin to saying you should be refunded the price of a dropsuit if you get killed from behind because you didn't know there was a guy behind you. I haven't failed 10,000 times, i've successfully found 10,000 ways that won't work. Thomas Edison
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 45	Posted - 2014.03.02 02:50:00 - [26] - Quote I think Eve players should get to control the RDV's... It's not often I'd trust some random with... Well anything... But I think a monetary incentive for delivering it in one piece would make even the most annoying troll a better RDV pilot than that blind AI, I mean seriously, just how big is the MCC? How can you keep flying into the sodding thing.
MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 536	Posted - 2014.03.02 03:40:00 - [27] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: They should pay in a perfect carebear world, but this is New Eden ...where you automatically get at least a 40% insurance payout on your multi-million isk starship after knowingly placing it in a dangerous situation where it is likely to be destroyed, even from deliberately activating the self-destruct system in front of a Pend Insurance station the day your premium insurance is set to expire I don't think you should get refunded if you got it into a situation where an enemy was able to shoot it down in the middle of the battlefield (aside from when the RDV derps out and spends 5 minutes hovering in place while the payload rubberbands between the ground and the RDV) But it would be nice if the game was somehow able to recognize when you lose your freshly deployed vehicle to BS unrelated to enemy action and returned your stock of the fitting. I've lost several dropships in the redline at the start of a match from the RDV dropping it high enough where the dropship tilted back on its ass from the impact and exploded
Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 203	Posted - 2014.03.02 06:31:00 - [28] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: Now for some reason every time I say this, people think I'm insane and say I lack a basic understanding of property laws, but if an RDV pilot gets your vehicle or himself destroyed BEFORE you have control over your vehicle, shouldn't he be the one who has to pay for it? I mean, if you ordered something online, and the truck delivering it to you crashes on the way there, why the ** would they make you pay for the item you ordered because it got destroyed while out of your control. The deliveryman would obviously be the one who paid for it, or at least the company he works for. Every time I tell someone this on Dust they think i am *** crazy. Am I insane for not wanting to pay for something that was destroyed prior to me having physical ownership of it? Also if RDV pilots get destroyed because they were called into a heated warzone, then they should just say "lolno, too dangerous." and if you insist, THEN they can charge you for endangering their pilots. Make sure to tell me I'm crazy and have no understanding of property and delivery laws. if maybe covering glitches and occasional ob strikes but if you call in your lav in front of a enemy tank and the tank blows up ur RDV and in turn destroys your LAV then no you should not be reimbursed for your stupidity (plus that would be too explointable ) but i do like the idea b/c ive lost dropships many time bc the rdv is **** an bups it or drops it from too high tho i cant *** cu i remeber how bad they used to be and if you dont know they ar 1000 times better than they were Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for, welcome to New Eden -ill b there SoonGäó KAMEHAMEHA TANK KILLA
Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 203	Posted - 2014.03.02 06:35:00 - [29] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: RDV's don't have pilots, they are drones, drones owned by the corporation you fight for and are only following a command that you sent from your neocom handpad thing. You made the call so you foot the bill. RDV AI could be tuned a bit though EDIT [url]http://dust514.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicles[/url] Actually their human pilots, hence theres a cockpit and a windshield. I believe CCP also had some sort of concept art blatantly showing an RDV pilot, although I wouldn't blame you for not trusting concept art. BUT THAT WINDSHIELD THO EDIT: Yes I read the wiki and I dare say the wiki is wrong. what art of REMOTE DEPLOYMENT VEHICLE dont you understand it is rebotics m8 hence the "remote" Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for, welcome to New Eden -ill b there SoonGäó KAMEHAMEHA TANK KILLA
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 175	Posted - 2014.03.02 06:49:00 - [30] - Quote My absolute favorite is when my vehicle yo-yo dances for about 3 minutes. I imagine there is a robot in the RDV pulling a lever back and forth on the the magnetic locks. I also imagine he looks like the robot version of Animal from the Muppets. RARARRAAA RARARARRR RAAAARR! We can pickle that.

darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 479	Posted - 2014.03.02 06:50:00 - [31] - Quote If RDV gets your vehicle destroyed you should be refunded invisable walls of death in the sky isent nice "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 212	Posted - 2014.03.02 14:53:00 - [32] - Quote Turtle Hermit Roshi wrote: Hynox Xitio wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: RDV's don't have pilots, they are drones, drones owned by the corporation you fight for and are only following a command that you sent from your neocom handpad thing. You made the call so you foot the bill. RDV AI could be tuned a bit though EDIT [url]http://dust514.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicles[/url] Actually their human pilots, hence theres a cockpit and a windshield. I believe CCP also had some sort of concept art blatantly showing an RDV pilot, although I wouldn't blame you for not trusting concept art. BUT THAT WINDSHIELD THO EDIT: Yes I read the wiki and I dare say the wiki is wrong. what art of REMOTE DEPLOYMENT VEHICLE dont you understand it is rebotics m8 hence the "remote" RDV stands for Rapid Deployment Vehicle, granted I think it should be called "Rapid Deployment Vehicle?" Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
zingyy The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 0	Posted - 2014.03.02 20:51:00 - [33] - Quote Alright... well since this topic has received sssoo much attention I shall now proceed to tell you all the things that are wrong with this idea and why is should never happen in any game 1) Hynox is stupid and often blurts out things that usually make no sense and should be completely ignored. 2) RDV are more than likely manned by some sort of android robot that is incapable of making its own decisions therefore it should not be to blame when something goes wrong but whomever directed the robot to do what it did should be held accountable for what happens. This is not only because the player is fully aware of what the RDV will most likely do but also is fully aware of the possibilities of calling anything down in a war location. 3) There should always be some sort of punishment when the PLAYER does something wrong (I say player in caps because it is not the RDV that makes the choices it is the player) if there was no punishment for such things punishing for other things like say jumping into lave would be questioned and that would be unacceptable. I believe that dust is not only a rewarding game but it is a game that defines its successes only by the magnitude of its punishments(i.e.an economy, factional warfare, planetary conquest. ) Well I believe I have made my point clear and I hope Hynox stops making his random stupid ideas public for the world to ravished and dwell upon. P.S I have some more points to make on this subject if anyone was not convinced by these three. I am most definitely, maybe, probably, possibly, PERHAPS Zingy...
Viktor Vikrizi The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 48	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:04:00 - [34] - Quote zingyy wrote: Alright... well since this topic has received sssoo much attention I shall now proceed to tell you all the things that are wrong with this idea and why is should never happen in any game 1) Hynox is stupid and often blurts out things that usually make no sense and should be completely ignored. 2) RDV are more than likely manned by some sort of android robot that is incapable of making its own decisions therefore it should not be to blame when something goes wrong but whomever directed the robot to do what it did should be held accountable for what happens. This is not only because the player is fully aware of what the RDV will most likely do but also is fully aware of the possibilities of calling anything down in a war location. 3) There should always be some sort of punishment when the PLAYER does something wrong (I say player in caps because it is not the RDV that makes the choices it is the player) if there was no punishment for such things punishing for other things like say jumping into lave would be questioned and that would be unacceptable. I believe that dust is not only a rewarding game but it is a game that defines its successes only by the magnitude of its punishments(i.e.an economy, factional warfare, planetary conquest. ) Well I believe I have made my point clear and I hope Hynox stops making his random stupid ideas public for the world to ravished and dwell upon. P.S I have some more points to make on this subject if anyone was not convinced by these three. More please ;) "This is war. You never want to fight fair. You want to sneak up behind your enemy and club him over the head."
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 1389	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:09:00 - [35] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: Now for some reason every time I say this, people think I'm insane and say I lack a basic understanding of property laws, but if an RDV pilot gets your vehicle or himself destroyed BEFORE you have control over your vehicle, shouldn't he be the one who has to pay for it? I mean, if you ordered something online, and the truck delivering it to you crashes on the way there, why the ** would they make you pay for the item you ordered because it got destroyed while out of your control. The deliveryman would obviously be the one who paid for it, or at least the company he works for. Every time I tell someone this on Dust they think i am ***** crazy. Am I insane for not wanting to pay for something that was destroyed prior to me having physical ownership of it? Also if RDV pilots get destroyed because they were called into a heated warzone, then they should just say "lolno, too dangerous." and if you insist, THEN they can charge you for endangering their pilots. Make sure to tell me I'm crazy and have no understanding of property and delivery laws. you should have to pay delivery and insurance. Who wants some?


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