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DELB0Y wrote:

Another great, informative, well thought out presentation Judge Rhadamanthus!!! I salute you sir. Cant wait to see what changes 1.8 brings too. A lot of these balance issues need to be sorted out well in advance if they are wanting to make PVE a challenging success as well. I'm very sceptical about the redline being actually fixed properly by 1.8 though. We are still waiting for our vehicle lock for squads from 1.7!. When the redline damage in/out is nullified by an invisible shield or whatever and also the players ability to return there whilst in a vehicle removed it will expose implausible and OP fits very quickly I'm sure. CCP is lucky to have the vast majority of its play testing done by Dusts loyal fans. Once redline issues have been resolved CCP need only keep an eye on our play styles and fits through honest feedback that Youtubers like Judge Rhadamanthus, CEOPyrex, Bam Havok,
X Ghazbaran and indeed anyone whos ever took the time and care to upload even a vid of a bug to CCP. I have a lot of faith that CCP will get this game in a vastly more polished state when they announce it on newer platforms but I'm worried that the immediate problems will delay the much needed addition of maps vechicle parity for the game I am playing every day now. The waiting game becomes worse for all when issues that Judge highlighted are almost a game to game occurrence.

Thank you Judge Rhadamanthus and others
and thank you CCP for watching them.

I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 6979	Posted - 2014.03.01 19:41:00 - [1] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lBjUlQNYR4&list=UUy11xToip47aIW0M9TSOKrQ&feature=c4-overview I enjoyed watching this very much. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 439	Posted - 2014.03.01 20:58:00 - [2] - Quote CCP needs to hire people like Judge to do the balancing. It's vids like this that make me wonder what the hell they're thinking when they crunch numbers. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 6984	Posted - 2014.03.01 20:58:00 - [3] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: CCP needs to hire people like Judge to do the balancing. It's vids like this that make me wonder what the hell they're thinking when they crunch numbers. Assuming they crunch numbers. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Ripley Riley 767	Posted - 2014.03.01 21:06:00 - [4] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Assuming they crunch numbers. It has been 87 days since 1.7... We have no devblogs about 1.8 and the feedback threads they opened haven't been updated. Community interaction is the foundation of an MMO and they are failing miserably at it. What the **** makes you think they are capable of crunching numbers? "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
Seamie Schmoove Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 126	Posted - 2014.03.01 21:42:00 - [5] - Quote Nice vid. Ccp definitely needs to get people like Judge on to look at things when new builds are being passed. Or at least put up a test server where things can be tinkered with. Playing the game badly since Replication
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 6991	Posted - 2014.03.01 21:51:00 - [6] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Assuming they crunch numbers. It has been 87 days since 1.7... We have no devblogs about 1.8 and the feedback threads they opened haven't been updated. Community interaction is the foundation of an MMO and they are failing miserably at it. What the **** makes you think they are capable of crunching numbers? Actually, they aren't talking for a reason. It's supposed to be the last time we have bad communication. It's something about CCP Rouge restructuring stuff. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
sabre prime The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 117	Posted - 2014.03.01 22:13:00 - [7] - Quote Nice video. I liked the graphs. What did we learn? This game will never be balanced. Desperate attempt to get BPOs
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 6994	Posted - 2014.03.01 22:14:00 - [8] - Quote sabre prime wrote: Nice video. I liked the graphs. What did we learn? This game will never be balanced. No, we learned to think more carefully about how changes will affect other aspects of the game. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Rodd of Nor Nor Clan Combat Logistics 27	Posted - 2014.03.01 22:49:00 - [9] - Quote love this video as with everything Ive seen by Judge it was very well presented and explained in an easy to understand way. It is better to be thought an idiot, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 508	Posted - 2014.03.02 02:02:00 - [10] - Quote +10. Awesome video Judge, thanks for posting Cat. CCP needs to hire this guy, I would say get a life, but you have a great hobby and I'm just jelly. Pro-fit Prophet "Gimme yo lunch money"

General John Ripper 19018	Posted - 2014.03.02 02:04:00 - [11] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: CCP needs to hire people like Judge to do the balancing. It's vids like this that make me wonder what the hell they're thinking when they crunch numbers. Assuming they crunch numbers. I am pretty sure they don't crunch. A taco is born and eaten everytime a post is liked. Such is the cycle of life. My like count = respec petition.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 446	Posted - 2014.03.02 02:07:00 - [12] - Quote The biggest problem for balance at the moment, IMHO of course, is the fact that CCP is trying to balance an incomplete spectrum of factors. Once all dropsuits, weapons, equipment, vehicles, turrets, modules etc etc are in the game then we can start making progress. Until then I expect lop sided duct tape attempts at balance like the disaster that was vehicle/AV. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3849	Posted - 2014.03.02 02:07:00 - [13] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: CCP needs to hire people like Judge to do the balancing. It's vids like this that make me wonder what the hell they're thinking when they crunch numbers. Judge for CPM 1!!!! Scout- "I'm going to knife you my commando!!!" commando turns around Commando- "FAAAAALCCCOOONNNNN PUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!"
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 446	Posted - 2014.03.02 02:17:00 - [14] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: CCP needs to hire people like Judge to do the balancing. It's vids like this that make me wonder what the hell they're thinking when they crunch numbers. Judge for CPM 1!!!! He would absolutely get a vote from me. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Havaru Fox Golden Empire of EvE 25	Posted - 2014.03.02 02:20:00 - [15] - Quote copy of mine: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1889013#post1889013 << Support the EvE League>>
Hoover Damn H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Legacy Rising 60	Posted - 2014.03.02 02:34:00 - [16] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: CCP needs to hire people like Judge to do the balancing. It's vids like this that make me wonder what the hell they're thinking when they crunch numbers. Oh hell no they don't. This is the guy who wants to put a maximum range on eighty gigajoule railguns. This man is the last person in the universe that should be working on a science fiction game.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2014.03.02 02:49:00 - [17] - Quote He could make a video on knitting and you guys would love it.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1842	Posted - 2014.03.02 02:55:00 - [18] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: CCP needs to hire people like Judge to do the balancing. It's vids like this that make me wonder what the hell they're thinking when they crunch numbers. Judge for CPM 1!!!! He would absolutely get a vote from me. Yup. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Omareth Nasadra The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 314	Posted - 2014.03.02 03:19:00 - [19] - Quote Hoover Damn wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: CCP needs to hire people like Judge to do the balancing. It's vids like this that make me wonder what the hell they're thinking when they crunch numbers. Oh hell no they don't. This is the guy who wants to put a maximum range on eighty gigajoule railguns that's relevant on a 4 km square map. This man is either totally ignorant, insane, or just doesn't care about anything but abstract game mechanics. (I'll take a mix of A and C with a side order of no disrespect intended.) This man is the last person in the universe that should be working on a science fiction game. get out of here red line scrub Minmatar, In rust we trust!!! Omareth Nasadra/Erynyes
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 412	Posted - 2014.03.02 03:35:00 - [20] - Quote I agree and understand what he is saying that we shouldn't make decisions based on 'snapshots' but I hate how he skews or leaves out data to get his point across. The Adv AFG vs Hardened dropship example. Yes hit for hit they seem balanced, but this isn't turn based strategy RoF is a strong relevant factor that shouldn't be dropped for simplicity's sake. The small fires a shot every 1.2s, vs the AFG's after every 2.4s (or 2.25s for op5), means that for every FG shot the DS has already fired off two. Meaning the DS can easily kill the FG in half the time of miss half it's shots and still possibly kill the forge gunner. That TTK graph looks an awfully a lot like the ones he was saying were bad, so in order for it to support his argument he drops RoF from the equation intentional or not. That is misleading. 32db Mad Bomber.

KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2160	Posted - 2014.03.02 03:49:00 - [21] - Quote Why are we using a breach forge gun vs a tank again? Breach forge guns are highly situational and best used vs dropships while using proper positioning. If AV is terrorizing dropships along with rails, just give them a built in resistance to rails and AV by a cut rate per level. Level 5 dropship would give you a built in 30% resistance at 6% per level. The problem with tanks
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 1790	Posted - 2014.03.02 03:51:00 - [22] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Why are we using a breach forge gun vs a tank again? Breach forge guns are highly situational and best used vs dropships while using proper positioning. If AV is terrorizing dropships along with rails, just give them a built in resistance to rails and AV by a cut rate per level. Level 5 dropship would give you a built in 30% resistance at 6% per level. Maybe he's been hanging around KING CAPSLOCK too much? Patrick57 Carries us all Tanker Prof. V scrub Q_Q moar
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1352	Posted - 2014.03.02 05:11:00 - [23] - Quote I honestly was not aware that people can't intuitively calculate effective hit points. . . spent a lot of time explaining aspects I took for granted as common knowledge, whoops. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com (checked every Monday/Wednesday/Friday)
Forever ETC 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 37	Posted - 2014.03.02 06:44:00 - [24] - Quote Bravo! Someone finally used math to solve the imbalance. Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013
DELB0Y The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1	Posted - 2014.03.02 15:20:00 - [25] - Quote Another great, informative, well thought out presentation Judge Rhadamanthus!!! I salute you sir. Cant wait to see what changes 1.8 brings too. A lot of these balance issues need to be sorted out well in advance if they are wanting to make PVE a challenging success as well. I'm very sceptical about the redline being actually fixed properly by 1.8 though. We are still waiting for our vehicle lock for squads from 1.7!. When the redline damage in/out is nullified by an invisible shield or whatever and also the players ability to return there whilst in a vehicle removed it will expose implausible and OP fits very quickly I'm sure. CCP is lucky to have the vast majority of its play testing done by Dusts loyal fans. Once redline issues have been resolved CCP need only keep an eye on our play styles and fits through honest feedback that Youtubers like Judge Rhadamanthus, CEOPyrex, Bam Havok, X Ghazbaran and indeed anyone whos ever took the time and care to upload even a vid of a bug to CCP. I have a lot of faith that CCP will get this game in a vastly more polished state when they announce it on newer platforms but I'm worried that the immediate problems will delay the much needed addition of maps vechicle parity for the game I am playing every day now. The waiting game becomes worse for all when issues that Judge highlighted are almost a game to game occurrence. Thank you Judge Rhadamanthus and others and thank you CCP for watching them.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2759	Posted - 2014.03.02 15:31:00 - [26] - Quote Not even past the 1st graph and hes already ignoring ROF I can see this is going to biased as **** Intelligence is OP
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 501	Posted - 2014.03.02 15:49:00 - [27] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: CCP needs to hire people like Judge to do the balancing. It's vids like this that make me wonder what the hell they're thinking when they crunch numbers. Assuming they crunch numbers. CCP don't crunch numbers. They smash them with the ban hammer hoping they turn out ok. We want cake and tea.
Balamob SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:13:00 - [28] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: I agree and understand what he is saying that we shouldn't make decisions based on 'snapshots' but I hate how he skews or leaves out data to get his point across. The Adv AFG vs Hardened dropship example. Yes hit for hit they seem balanced, but this isn't turn based strategy RoF is a strong relevant factor that shouldn't be dropped for simplicity's sake. The small fires a shot every 1.2s, vs the AFG's after every 2.4s (or 2.25s for op5), means that for every FG shot the DS has already fired off two. Meaning the DS can easily kill the FG in half the time of miss half it's shots and still possibly kill the forge gunner. That TTK graph looks an awfully a lot like the ones he was saying were bad, so in order for it to support his argument he drops RoF from the equation intentional or not. That is misleading. I agree with Asha on that he doesnt show all the variables (i dont blame him, is a lot of information), but he is showing an important part of the "spectrum imbalance" and he indeed has knowledge of the actual game, knowledge useful to devs.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 623	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:29:00 - [29] - Quote This guy put a lot of work into his video,but I content,like another post said,until we have all the content,this game will never really be balanced.Furthermore,I would say that until we have at least 32vs32 matches,it won't be balance either. I hate tanks as they currently are,but if you have four people shooting at one tank with AV,this probably wouldn't be much of an issue,but as it is now,a team can't really afford to have four people dedicated as AV to take out a single tank.That's 25% of a team to quickly and effectively take out possibly one person.That's right there is what's imbalanced.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1892	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:39:00 - [30] - Quote DELB0Y wrote: Another great, informative, well thought out presentation Judge Rhadamanthus!!! I salute you sir. Cant wait to see what changes 1.8 brings too. A lot of these balance issues need to be sorted out well in advance if they are wanting to make PVE a challenging success as well. I'm very sceptical about the redline being actually fixed properly by 1.8 though. We are still waiting for our vehicle lock for squads from 1.7!. When the redline damage in/out is nullified by an invisible shield or whatever and also the players ability to return there whilst in a vehicle removed it will expose implausible and OP fits very quickly I'm sure. CCP is lucky to have the vast majority of its play testing done by Dusts loyal fans. Once redline issues have been resolved CCP need only keep an eye on our play styles and fits through honest feedback that Youtubers like Judge Rhadamanthus, CEOPyrex, Bam Havok, X Ghazbaran and indeed anyone whos ever took the time and care to upload even a vid of a bug to CCP. I have a lot of faith that CCP will get this game in a vastly more polished state when they announce it on newer platforms but I'm worried that the immediate problems will delay the much needed addition of maps vechicle parity for the game I am playing every day now. The waiting game becomes worse for all when issues that Judge highlighted are almost a game to game occurrence. Thank you Judge Rhadamanthus and others and thank you CCP for watching them. Wow, brown nose much? You know that nasty smell you've been experiencing all day? It's on your nose. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim



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