DUST Search - How Will 1.8 Scouts Affect Planetary Conquest?

Tectonic Fusion wrote:

Roy Ventus wrote:

Tectonic Fusion wrote:

Roy Ventus wrote:

Knight Solitaire wrote:

Only the Minmatar Scout will have team value, all the other races would just be good slayers.

lolCloak, its going to be absolutely useless! I bet it even deactivates from fall damage Roll

Minmatar will have great support value you mean?

And I'm interested in why you think the other Scouts won't stand a chance even with cloaks.

From the last stats I read back before CCP went silent on us for a while, the Gallente and Caldari seemed prime for for stealth work and low profile killings. I was thinking they'd at least make good security and breaching suits.

It will be useless because if they can see the cloak, they can see the player + pray and spray weapon = useless cloak. Nuff said.

Nah lol. Scouts are a threat now without cloaks and heavy limits compared to 1.8 scout suits. Players like Mr. Mustard, Maken Tosch, and 0uter Heaven's general membership will thrive in the better conditions. The cloaks will assist them in escaping the enemy or breaching positions. Not only that but they would damn be able to hide in plain sight with their cloaks since most people don't pick up low profiled enemies in their peripheral. Essentially, there will be a lot more ambushes going down.

Now the people who are experts of scouting will gain the tools and buffs that will at least make them a proper addition to the team.

I'm really expecting there to be more Scout squads and stories of how players "didn't see it coming."

So basically you're saying they will beat the sucky players, but lose to the more experience players? And I never said scouts weren't a threat already...and I doubt they would use the cloak because it's a waste of CPU/PG lol

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mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 395	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:11:00 - [31] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: mr musturd wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Bones McGavins wrote: I'm pretty sure passive scans share with squad already. Ran some tests but haven't confirmed either It is true, my corpmate Judas Iscariot666 has proto gallente scout and maxed out passive scan skills and I can confirm that the squad does see his passive scans. I've ran with him. Squads don't share passive scans. Hmmm. Could have sworn they do....see post above. But now I'm scratching my head. They use to. Ccp took it out when they added the active scanner
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 3897	Posted - 2014.02.28 21:25:00 - [32] - Quote Scouts don't share passive scans. Though there are instances where (I'd say it's a bug because it is random when it happens) where you will see an enemy highlighted well beyond your vision but in the vision of others. For example I'll be 50m out from an objective and another scout will be fighting someone and I can see a red chevron well outside of my passive and LOS. When it happens it happens randomly as far as I know. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1192	Posted - 2014.02.28 22:37:00 - [33] - Quote mr musturd wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Bones McGavins wrote: I'm pretty sure passive scans share with squad already. Ran some tests but haven't confirmed either It is true, my corpmate Judas Iscariot666 has proto gallente scout and maxed out passive scan skills and I can confirm that the squad does see his passive scans. I've ran with him. Squads don't share passive scans. I am in a squad with just Judas right now and he is using his suit with 4 complex range amps and I can currently see enemies on the radar with... So mustard you are in fact wrong. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 1006	Posted - 2014.02.28 22:39:00 - [34] - Quote Knight Solitaire wrote: Only the Minmatar Scout will have team value, all the other races would just be good slayers. lolCloak, its going to be absolutely useless! I bet it even deactivates from fall damage sorry, but gallente is better than minmitar at everything other than using gimped weaponry and hacking Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 1006	Posted - 2014.02.28 22:42:00 - [35] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Bones McGavins wrote: I'm pretty sure passive scans share with squad already. Ran some tests but haven't confirmed either It is true, my corpmate Judas Iscariot666 has proto gallente scout and maxed out passive scan skills and I can confirm that the squad does see his passive scans. Active scans, i believe, are only shared when you physically see the enemy and are able to light up their chevron Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1192	Posted - 2014.02.28 22:59:00 - [36] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Bones McGavins wrote: I'm pretty sure passive scans share with squad already. Ran some tests but haven't confirmed either It is true, my corpmate Judas Iscariot666 has proto gallente scout and maxed out passive scan skills and I can confirm that the squad does see his passive scans. Active scans, i believe, are only shared when you physically see the enemy and are able to light up their chevron It was an ambush were the only ones in squad neither of us had active scanners, he ran straight towards the enemy I made sure I faced the opposite direction and my radar light up like a Christmas tree, it was pretty conclusive. He is on right now, message him if you want to test it Judas Iscariot666 is his dust name and jimmydarko is his PSN. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1188	Posted - 2014.02.28 23:25:00 - [37] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Knight Solitaire wrote: Only the Minmatar Scout will have team value, all the other races would just be good slayers. lolCloak, its going to be absolutely useless! I bet it even deactivates from fall damage Minmatar will have great support value you mean? And I'm interested in why you think the other Scouts won't stand a chance even with cloaks. From the last stats I read back before CCP went silent on us for a while, the Gallente and Caldari seemed prime for for stealth work and low profile killings. I was thinking they'd at least make good security and breaching suits. It will be useless because if they can see the cloak, they can see the player + pray and spray weapon = useless cloak. Nuff said. Nah lol. Scouts are a threat now without cloaks and heavy limits compared to 1.8 scout suits. Players like Mr. Mustard, Maken Tosch, and 0uter Heaven's general membership will thrive in the better conditions. The cloaks will assist them in escaping the enemy or breaching positions. Not only that but they would damn be able to hide in plain sight with their cloaks since most people don't pick up low profiled enemies in their peripheral. Essentially, there will be a lot more ambushes going down. Now the people who are experts of scouting will gain the tools and buffs that will at least make them a proper addition to the team. I'm really expecting there to be more Scout squads and stories of how players "didn't see it coming." So basically you're saying they will beat the sucky players, but lose to the more experience players? And I never said scouts weren't a threat already...and I doubt they would use the cloak because it's a waste of CPU/PG lol No. I'm saying the scouts will dominate players all over the spectrum from newbs to even the best. But whatever man, I understand it already. You don't think scouts will be much of a thing in 1.8. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Patrick57 5592	Posted - 2014.02.28 23:30:00 - [38] - Quote Gallente Logis will not be as important if the CPU/PG changes are too big, and Scouts will rule. They are already key parts to a good team. Now imagine an invisible Scout throwing REs from a catwalk. I go negative in PC, yay
icdedppul PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 74	Posted - 2014.02.28 23:32:00 - [39] - Quote Glass Zeraki wrote: In pub matches, I think the cloaked scout will mean the near-end of 'red-lining' the enemy. That scout is (basically) invisible so it can leave the red line and place an uplink in a strategically important area. I loled at this Red lines don't happen because people cant get out of the red line
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 3898	Posted - 2014.02.28 23:33:00 - [40] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Gallente Logis will not be as important if the CPU/PG changes are too big, and Scouts will rule. They are already key parts to a good team. Now imagine an invisible Scout throwing REs from a catwalk. Pffft. I don't need to be invisible to do that. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.

Your Absolut End SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 408	Posted - 2014.03.01 00:34:00 - [41] - Quote Since CCP already stated that there will not be a PC fix in 1.8 the answer is quiet simple: on absolutely no way. No Pc=No changes even with a million new suits another one bites the Dust... Born as Kameira, die as Kameira, my life for the Empress!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7102	Posted - 2014.03.01 00:42:00 - [42] - Quote Last I checked, all districts in Molden heath are currently locked to become nothing more than ATM machines. Sorry, but I don't see scouts affecting PC in any way unless PC is fixed. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Oswald Rehnquist 1261	Posted - 2014.03.01 01:04:00 - [43] - Quote As the others have stated min scout has a secure role that isn't challenge, quick speed and hacking gives it an unbelievable niche that is non competitive to any other suit that it is pretty solid. A team won't be needing more than 1 or 2 per group though. Gallente can play straight up light assault with the new numbers, giving you a near impossible to scan, fastest 900 ehp suit out there with built in reps. A caldari scout with 3 complex precision enchaners is defeated by one complex dampener on the gal scout (that doesn't even include cloaking bonuses). So cut back on some ehp and you became a completely invisible light assault. You will see these on the field, beyond the built in regen you can have allies or hives do the regen for you. I don't think you'll see the Caldari or the Amarr scout much in pc. In mainly due to racials, the precision bonus is only useful in picking up other scouts because no one else dampenes so low, and with the gallente being beyond the caldari scout, that just leaves 2 other scouts who can't be detected when cloaked. So the caldari scout A) Catches cloaked medium frames (which will be rare if never seen by min maxers) and B) catching min/ama scouts who aren't cloaked. The cal scout can't be made quite as effectively a light assault unit as the armor scouts. While the Amarr have the same slot layout as the gal scout, no sane person would trade lots of stamina (racial and suit) for free regen and dp reduction (ask yourself what modules do you think they throw on in pc matches), if you were min maxing its gal>ama every time. I lack the imagination to see what the stamina bonus could do (when we first came up with the stamina bonus it was first theorized with +1 equipment slot over other scouts to make it an equipment runner) Though if I had to give cal scouts a role in PC (it might be a waste on one of the 16 slots) it would evolve around spotting min scouts, thus it could potentially work as one of the duo in point defense particularly that min scouts are most useful away from the action and come in small groups. As always, if you are a godly player you can play with a janitor suit on still come up on top but as it stands its about min maxing, and clear undefinable roles. Thus I say Min/Gal is PC ready, Cal/Ama not quite so. Below 28 dB
Tectonic Fusion 1147	Posted - 2014.03.01 01:05:00 - [44] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Knight Solitaire wrote: Only the Minmatar Scout will have team value, all the other races would just be good slayers. lolCloak, its going to be absolutely useless! I bet it even deactivates from fall damage Minmatar will have great support value you mean? And I'm interested in why you think the other Scouts won't stand a chance even with cloaks. From the last stats I read back before CCP went silent on us for a while, the Gallente and Caldari seemed prime for for stealth work and low profile killings. I was thinking they'd at least make good security and breaching suits. It will be useless because if they can see the cloak, they can see the player + pray and spray weapon = useless cloak. Nuff said. Nah lol. Scouts are a threat now without cloaks and heavy limits compared to 1.8 scout suits. Players like Mr. Mustard, Maken Tosch, and 0uter Heaven's general membership will thrive in the better conditions. The cloaks will assist them in escaping the enemy or breaching positions. Not only that but they would damn be able to hide in plain sight with their cloaks since most people don't pick up low profiled enemies in their peripheral. Essentially, there will be a lot more ambushes going down. Now the people who are experts of scouting will gain the tools and buffs that will at least make them a proper addition to the team. I'm really expecting there to be more Scout squads and stories of how players "didn't see it coming." So basically you're saying they will beat the sucky players, but lose to the more experience players? And I never said scouts weren't a threat already...and I doubt they would use the cloak because it's a waste of CPU/PG lol No. I'm saying the scouts will dominate players all over the spectrum from newbs to even the best. But whatever man, I understand it already. You don't think scouts will be much of a thing in 1.8. [/quote] LOL you think the scrubs will dominate in scout suit? Don't make me laugh. Solo Player Squad status: Locked


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