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Aszazel
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Posted - 2014.02.28 13:51:00 -
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Maybe I am still a noob, maybe its cause I am not in a heavy with a rail rifle like 90% of the people I have been coming up against in PUB matches. I watch the cool youtube videos of cyrius li moody and totally want to be a scouty lone wolf. I have put 90% of my 5.8 mil SP into scout suits, dropsuit upgrades, shotguns and pistols. And canGÇÖt do jack, I was following a heavy for 20 feet depressed about how I knew once I started firing I was going to be dead. Fired first round, took his shields out, he turns around faster than I can, fired second, half his armor is gone, I start strafing and jumping, before I get to fire the third, his (insert whatever weapon you want here, but usually a RR) kills me. I have basic shields and reactive plates, 99 shields and 168 armor. Lately its been poor detection and rubber-banding that have been helping speed me on to the clone tank. Other times, like 50% of the matches I played last night, (I guess everyone is trying to cap out really fast?) It was proto stomp after proto stomp, one murder taxi squad was flipping using a proto scanner. Anyho, who wants my isk, I think I am done.
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Repe Susi
Rautaleijona Top Men.
1055
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Posted - 2014.02.28 13:54:00 -
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No. Your application to quit Dust has been rejected. Now onto the battlefield, soldier!
Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
393
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Posted - 2014.02.28 13:58:00 -
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Aszazel wrote:Maybe I am still a noob, maybe its cause I am not in a heavy with a rail rifle like 90% of the people I have been coming up against in PUB matches. I watch the cool youtube videos of cyrius li moody and totally want to be a scouty lone wolf. I have put 90% of my 5.8 mil SP into scout suits, dropsuit upgrades, shotguns and pistols. And canGÇÖt do jack, I was following a heavy for 20 feet depressed about how I knew once I started firing I was going to be dead. Fired first round, took his shields out, he turns around faster than I can, fired second, half his armor is gone, I start strafing and jumping, before I get to fire the third, his (insert whatever weapon you want here, but usually a RR) kills me. I have basic shields and reactive plates, 99 shields and 168 armor. Lately its been poor detection and rubber-banding that have been helping speed me on to the clone tank. Other times, like 50% of the matches I played last night, (I guess everyone is trying to cap out really fast?) It was proto stomp after proto stomp, one murder taxi squad was flipping using a proto scanner. Anyho, who wants my isk, I think I am done.
Moody dies alot to he just doesnt show those vids like any good you tuber... Seriously ask mustard or nausea they will tell you the life of the scout it to die alot, unless your roner, with the proto and six kin 24 7, though I did smash his face in with my six kin 2 days ago.... Hi, swag... lmao jkjk, man you will get better with it, its just time. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
1987
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:02:00 -
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learn to use RE's or get amazing with a sub machine gun.
all that frustration goes away when you watch that heavy corpse rag doll off the ceiling. |
Aszazel
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:06:00 -
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That is literally how I have to kill heavies if I can get the sneak on them, I just wished the shotgun (which seemed more powerful as the MLT verison before I started putting points into it) could actually kill something when I am 2 meters away instead of getting me killed. I should switch to knives cause I am close enough and they can 2 hit heavies, but I specced the wrong suit so I am screwed now. |
ALT2 acc
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:10:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:learn to use RE's or get amazing with a sub machine gun.
all that frustration goes away when you watch that heavy corpse rag doll off the ceiling. A ACR or CR Is better than a smg, I used the assault smg.
Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
1689
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:17:00 -
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I've had some great cat-and-mouse fights with heavies lately. When i have my wits about and remember that it would be....unwise.....to try and take them down with my Exile, i just pillar'n'post/runawaylikealittegirl with the heavy until a teammate comes along or i'm in a good position to try and get him when he reloads.
I've had fights go for more than a minute and they're typically decided by whose teammates show up first ;)
This is one of the situations where the minny assault/passive scan skills shine, especially if you haven't given away your speed advantage to plates.
I support SP rollover.
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1041
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:31:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:calisk galern wrote:learn to use RE's or get amazing with a sub machine gun.
all that frustration goes away when you watch that heavy corpse rag doll off the ceiling. A ACR or CR Is better than a smg, I used the assault smg. Agreed, a couple of my scouts are running assault CR with great success.
CEO
Whiskey squad leader
Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
1993
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:33:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:calisk galern wrote:learn to use RE's or get amazing with a sub machine gun.
all that frustration goes away when you watch that heavy corpse rag doll off the ceiling. A ACR or CR Is better than a smg, I used the assault smg. Agreed, a couple of my scouts are running assault CR with great success.
true the assault cr is better then the smg, but for surprise attacks double tap the shotgun and switch to smg, would finish off even proto heavies. |
Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:22:00 -
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Seriously, give up. With the RR and heavies able to move at 97.994 Scout top speed and aim assist and scanners and logis always doing the job better and jeep heavies and tankorama and on and on, scouts are merely ways to give meds and hevs things to shoot, and snipers their only chance at one-shotting someone who isn't AFK.
Just. Give. Up.
I'm recruiting only the hardest hard-core-rers out there who are in here.
cc2.27.13
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Asher Night
Dark Tengu
485
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:28:00 -
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Aszazel wrote:That is literally how I have to kill heavies if I can get the sneak on them, I just wished the shotgun (which seemed more powerful as the MLT verison before I started putting points into it) could actually kill something when I am 2 meters away instead of getting me killed. I should switch to knives cause I am close enough and they can 2 hit heavies, but I specced the wrong suit so I am screwed now.
What's your KDR? |
Aszazel
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:34:00 -
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0.8
I have games where its been as high as 8.0, I can move around, set traps and generally play the scout well, its just everyone has been playing heavies and the shotgun doesn't cut it, I suppose I should switch my pistol to the smg, but I like the slightly further range of the pistol. and its a shield destroyer.
I gotta figure something else out though, been having some straight up sh!tty games. Total proto squad stomping in PUBs are a big help my anger though. |
Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
582
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:37:00 -
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Join the D.A.R.K channel and hmu in game. I will show you some of my methods. I would recommend holding on till 1.8 when the scout will finally get some love.
Also, remember heavies are really hard to kill with a SG these days so you can just avoid them for now till you hone your skills on medium frames.
The mic bubble bug... I yield, CCP will be fixing it SOON. Current ETA 1 year since bug
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Sgt Buttscratch
KILL-EM-QUICK
1873
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:41:00 -
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Aszazel wrote:Maybe I am still a noob, maybe its cause I am not in a heavy with a rail rifle like 90% of the people I have been coming up against in PUB matches. I watch the cool youtube videos of cyrius li moody and totally want to be a scouty lone wolf. I have put 90% of my 5.8 mil SP into scout suits, dropsuit upgrades, shotguns and pistols. And canGÇÖt do jack, I was following a heavy for 20 feet depressed about how I knew once I started firing I was going to be dead. Fired first round, took his shields out, he turns around faster than I can, fired second, half his armor is gone, I start strafing and jumping, before I get to fire the third, his (insert whatever weapon you want here, but usually a RR) kills me. I have basic shields and reactive plates, 99 shields and 168 armor. Lately its been poor detection and rubber-banding that have been helping speed me on to the clone tank. Other times, like 50% of the matches I played last night, (I guess everyone is trying to cap out really fast?) It was proto stomp after proto stomp, one murder taxi squad was flipping using a proto scanner. Anyho, who wants my isk, I think I am done.
With the heavies shotgun proficiency comes into play bigtime IMO, I am prof 4 on my shotgun and most the time I can take them down faster than they can get to me. Main deal is to get their turning direction right, and bounce the other way, having a basic shield plate does you nothing..absolutely nothing. Speak to V abot fitting your suit and also good ways to approach the fatties. V is an immense scout and has a lot of good advice.
Side note: RE the fat bastaards
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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Aszazel
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Posted - 2014.02.28 16:00:00 -
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V doesn't want to share his secrets, he told me that he can't give them away, lol, like spilt second decisions and gun game can be overcome with gear. Anyways, he is an alright guy, I have run with him plenty of times, but I am really trying to get a good solo game going. It is easier to run in a group yes, but I want to good gud as a lone wolf. Prof V shotgun is my next target I guess, maybe that 15% faster rof will make the difference. |
Sgt Buttscratch
KILL-EM-QUICK
1874
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Posted - 2014.02.28 16:05:00 -
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Lone wolfing for me works best with a stealth/speed suit. Utilizing passive scans(precision enhancements, range amplification) then kitkats and profile dampening. The idea is be being to see them before they ever see you. I can run a STD suit with 1 precision enchancer, 1 kit kat and 1 profile dampner (SG, scrambler pistol and RE's) just as good as I can run the proto version now.
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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Luk Manag
of Terror TRE GAFFEL
319
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Posted - 2014.02.28 16:08:00 -
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After this week the number of heavies should go back down...it's just Operation Mauler.
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
1336
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Posted - 2014.02.28 16:10:00 -
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Aszazel wrote:Maybe I am still a noob, maybe its cause I am not in a heavy with a rail rifle like 90% of the people I have been coming up against in PUB matches. I watch the cool youtube videos of cyrius li moody and totally want to be a scouty lone wolf. I have put 90% of my 5.8 mil SP into scout suits, dropsuit upgrades, shotguns and pistols. And canGÇÖt do jack, I was following a heavy for 20 feet depressed about how I knew once I started firing I was going to be dead. Fired first round, took his shields out, he turns around faster than I can, fired second, half his armor is gone, I start strafing and jumping, before I get to fire the third, his (insert whatever weapon you want here, but usually a RR) kills me. I have basic shields and reactive plates, 99 shields and 168 armor. Lately its been poor detection and rubber-banding that have been helping speed me on to the clone tank. Other times, like 50% of the matches I played last night, (I guess everyone is trying to cap out really fast?) It was proto stomp after proto stomp, one murder taxi squad was flipping using a proto scanner. Anyho, who wants my isk, I think I am done.
try a gallente scout with flux. Seriously you are gonna cut most suits inhalf. Big whoop, you lost 87 shields.
Who wants some?
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IVIaster LUKE
Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn
370
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Posted - 2014.02.28 16:15:00 -
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I hope you don't quit. Stick it out killer. Would be a bummer to lose another player.
P.s. +4
"Not the livestock George".
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Aszazel
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Posted - 2014.02.28 17:19:00 -
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Thanks all for the words of encouragement, there is so much QQ on the forums, I figured I would be in for some sh!tty replies. The things I see Moody, George666, Jolly Roger and V do are crazy. I forget that 3 months of getting instakilled is not long enough to get gud, I need another 8 months.
I literally cry for new players. I hope CCP is serious when they state that they want to make it easier to skill into things earlier and cost less to use proto. The gap between advanced and proto is a little extreme. Why no 22, to 44, to 66. Cause the 22, 33, 66 of shield extenders is just one example of a pay to win game. I can only afford to get to level 3 on shields cause then is gets crazy expensive SP so I should use AUR. ThatGÇÖs not cool, otherwise I have to do double the amount of damage that a proto needs to do to kill me?
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Asher Night
Dark Tengu
486
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:22:00 -
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Aszazel wrote:Thanks all for the words of encouragement, there is so much QQ on the forums, I figured I would be in for some sh!tty replies. The things I see Moody, George666, Jolly Roger and V do are crazy. I forget that 3 months of getting instakilled is not long enough to get gud, I need another 8 months.
I literally cry for new players. I hope CCP is serious when they state that they want to make it easier to skill into things earlier and cost less to use proto. The gap between advanced and proto is a little extreme. Why no 22, to 44, to 66. Cause the 22, 33, 66 of shield extenders is just one example of a pay to win game. I can only afford to get to level 3 on shields cause then is gets crazy expensive SP so I should use AUR. ThatGÇÖs not cool, otherwise I have to do double the amount of damage that a proto needs to do to kill me?
Yeah, I never understoox the 33 to 66 shield thing. I assume it may have something to do with what classes are likely to fit them, but I don't understand it and I don't think it works. My Kdr has gone up a good bit in the past 3 weeks. 1.43 to 1.57. Being a scout has a much more dramatic learning curve than any other class. If you'd like, I'll play with you and we can share tips. Let me know. |
calvin b
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:59:00 -
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Not to rain on your parade but in what world does a suit that has less than 400 beat a suit that can be upwards of 1600+. The truth is the way heavies used to be would make you rage quit more back then than now. I remember back in Beta when heavies where heavies I could drop 3-5 individuals before I succumbed to their fire. The truth is a heavy is not what it used to be and I am really looking forward to 1.8 because it may bring heavies back to the way they used to be and we can be the force we once where. Do not worry about FOTM chasers, being a heavy is more than a suit and weapon and I feel a lot will quit the suit once they realize this and cannot stomp like they can with militia tanks. Do not worry heavies will police our own ranks. At the moment the heavy RR is a problem but I believe it will solve itself over time, it will just take more true heavies to show them an HMG is better than a RR if used in the right hands. I have dropped more heavies with RR than HMG in this tournament and it is a promising sign. So keep your chin up and remember a SMG is more effective than most think.
A heavy before 1.8
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Aszazel
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:17:00 -
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There are only 2 things I need CCP to fix, and then I can live with a lot of the other problems that honestly will always be there.
1. Fix your lag. ItGÇÖs a FPS Multiplayer, lag kills (including hit detection) 2. Reduce backpedaling to half of running speed. No one can run backwards as fast as forwards IRL.
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Lightning xVx
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:32:00 -
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Aszazel wrote:0.8
I have games where its been as high as 8.0, I can move around, set traps and generally play the scout well, its just everyone has been playing heavies and the shotgun doesn't cut it, I suppose I should switch my pistol to the smg, but I like the slightly further range of the pistol. and its a shield destroyer.
I gotta figure something else out though, been having some straight up sh!tty games. Total proto squad stomping in PUBs are a big help my anger though.
Lets talk. |
J0LLY R0G3R
Dirt Nap Squad.
709
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Posted - 2014.04.06 10:16:00 -
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Aszazel wrote:Thanks all for the words of encouragement, there is so much QQ on the forums, I figured I would be in for some sh!tty replies. The things I see Moody, George666, Jolly Roger and V do are crazy. I forget that 3 months of getting instakilled is not long enough to get gud, I need another 8 months.
I literally cry for new players. I hope CCP is serious when they state that they want to make it easier to skill into things earlier and cost less to use proto. The gap between advanced and proto is a little extreme. Why no 22, to 44, to 66. Cause the 22, 33, 66 of shield extenders is just one example of a pay to win game. I can only afford to get to level 3 on shields cause then is gets crazy expensive SP so I should use AUR. ThatGÇÖs not cool, otherwise I have to do double the amount of damage that a proto needs to do to kill me?
Making sure you are still playing the game. Scouts don't quit, we just respawn. XD
++++Gimme Back my SG RoF++++
XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
849
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Posted - 2014.04.06 10:24:00 -
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Stick with it dude! It's probably been said but flux is your friend as a scout. In that innitial encounter with the heavy, a cooked nade would have stripped the shield clean away then you could have finished him. Scouting is tough, I'm nearing 3 months on the role and I still get my squishy ass handed to me a fair bit but you just respawn and continue on with your objective.
Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 7/10
Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome
Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL - eWar Merc
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Scar Scrilla
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
220
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Posted - 2014.04.06 11:14:00 -
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Use shotgun and Assault machine gun. Most heavies will die to 2 or 3 shots to the melon with SG. If they still alive use the ASMG-dance to finish the job. Admitted though, my KDR ain't rising that steadily since I started scouting pre 1.8. Furthermore, scouting isn't recommended in any combat situation,at least for me a lesson hard learned :)
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
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Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
759
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Posted - 2014.04.06 11:24:00 -
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J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Aszazel wrote:Thanks all for the words of encouragement, there is so much QQ on the forums, I figured I would be in for some sh!tty replies. The things I see Moody, George666, Jolly Roger and V do are crazy. I forget that 3 months of getting instakilled is not long enough to get gud, I need another 8 months.
I literally cry for new players. I hope CCP is serious when they state that they want to make it easier to skill into things earlier and cost less to use proto. The gap between advanced and proto is a little extreme. Why no 22, to 44, to 66. Cause the 22, 33, 66 of shield extenders is just one example of a pay to win game. I can only afford to get to level 3 on shields cause then is gets crazy expensive SP so I should use AUR. ThatGÇÖs not cool, otherwise I have to do double the amount of damage that a proto needs to do to kill me?
Making sure you are still playing the game. Scouts don't quit, we just respawn. XD He still plays. He shotgunned my face just a couple days ago, and with all the buffs scouts got (better bonuses, more slots, etc), I'm sure he's having a better time of it.
Amarr Master - All Amarr Dropsuits at lvl 5.
Ghosts Chance's hero for 3/1/14.
A manu dei et tet rimon.
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LudiKure ninda
DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance
79
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Posted - 2014.04.06 12:18:00 -
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I fell your pain bro,.. as Joly said we scouts dont give up,..we respawn.
The role of a scout is to anoy red dots as much as we can.
There is nothing more satisfyng then blow up heavy with RE, or shooting heavy in the back with shotgun,and taking him down before he can even turn around,and then tea bag him like a PRO
The best way I learned to play with scout suit is first to skill up into damping,precision and range skills to LV5,...helps ALOT
Always try to approach enemies behind they back, ALWAYS never go toe to toe with ENYONE.
Like Moody said fair figh is for puss++s
Solo player..
SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED!
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
2711
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Posted - 2014.04.06 12:38:00 -
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You can't just offer you isk like that It takes the meaning out of "can I haz isk", now like 1 comment said you can't just quit because you can't kill a heavy. You have to think before you attack a strong target. Bait them into a trap, let them think you ran off or something then finish them. Heavies have a 3 step process.
1. Get attention 2. Bait 3. Blow them freaking sky high with an RE
Seriously why don't you have remote explosives yet?
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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