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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.28 04:13:00 -
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I was playing a couple matches today, and noticed a few things about it.
1. It affects armor about 50% more than it affects shield
2. The combat rifle is notorious for creating this effect-almost every time it happened it was a combat rifle shooting me, though other rifles cause it too, the combat rifle causes it the most
3. After being hit, you are reduced to 50% speed, and cannot jump beyond the jump height of a plate stacked heavy
4. I use kin cats, so it may have something to do with those
5. Anyone can answer, not just CCP. If you know something i don't, please enlighten me about this gameplay mechanic/bug
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.28 04:23:00 -
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anyone know?
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
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Posted - 2014.02.28 04:27:00 -
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As someone who rolls almost always in a ADV minja, I get freeze framed for people all the time. It's wonderful that I am running full speed and get stopped for the convenience of the enemy so he can finish me off. I mean, I'm way too OP otherwise.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.28 04:29:00 -
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mollerz wrote:As someone who rolls almost always in a ADV minja, I get freeze framed for people all the time. It's wonderful that I am running full speed and get stopped for the convenience of the enemy so he can finish me off. I mean, I'm way too OP otherwise.
Yeah i run minja exclusively, and its a hard knock life for us getting stopped by the game for another players +50
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.28 04:55:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:anyone know?
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
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Posted - 2014.02.28 04:58:00 -
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1.7 patch notes added "weapon impulse" to all bullet hits.
That's what you're experiencing.
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.28 04:58:00 -
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My personal hypothesis is that it's intended, either to cover up shoddy hit detection or to appease scrubs who would think that shoddy hit detection was to blame for their inaccuracy. One of the two, more likely the first one. I have no concrete data to back this up. |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.28 05:18:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:1.7 patch notes added "weapon impulse" to all bullet hits.
That's what you're experiencing.
Well I don't like it. It is also way to high on the HMG; my Scout runs slower than a walking heavy after getting hit with just one shot.
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.28 06:10:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:1.7 patch notes added "weapon impulse" to all bullet hits.
That's what you're experiencing.
This, but I'm betting it's a bug and they couldn't fix it so they worked it into the game with a stupid explanation.
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Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.28 06:13:00 -
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Its actualy been in game for a long time, It was implimented back when there was terible hit detection to counter people strafign trough wals of bullets. Slowing them down and increasing the chance of hits registering. Now its just been labled a feature to represent realism.
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Admonishment
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.02.28 06:15:00 -
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I seriously doubt it was intended...even made a thread about it a while back. Sometimes it happens without even being hit by anything.
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Meee One
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
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Posted - 2014.02.28 07:39:00 -
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Admonishment wrote:I seriously doubt it was intended...even made a thread about it a while back. Sometimes it happens without even being hit by anything.
This.
It happens when i'm shot in the back or side too.
It makes it impossible to escape ANY engagements.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.28 07:56:00 -
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The more bullets you are hit with, the stronger the effect.
Which is why combat rifle and HMG are kings in that regard.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.28 10:00:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:1.7 patch notes added "weapon impulse" to all bullet hits.
That's what you're experiencing.
If I remember correctly wasn't that how the rounds effect dead bodies?
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:24:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:My personal hypothesis is that it's intended, either to cover up shoddy hit detection or to appease scrubs who would think that shoddy hit detection was to blame for their inaccuracy. One of the two, more likely the first one. I have no concrete data to back this up.
its a direct nerf to my minja
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:26:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:The more bullets you are hit with, the stronger the effect.
Which is why combat rifle and HMG are kings in that regard.
That would explain itGǪ.it just seems too powerful a nerf to people who would try to stack kin cats to get away from bad situations, like 3 heavies with CR's, HMG's and a few logi's with RR's
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Ulme Mees
Rautaleijona
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:38:00 -
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It's annoying as hell, I try to fight anything with a rifle or hmg with my MD, once I get hit I am almost as good as dead cos of the slowdown.....
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
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Posted - 2014.02.28 12:45:00 -
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Just to correct others (I too thought this wrongly before) weapon impulse is just the rag doll effects.
This 'slow down' thing has been around for quite some time. I think it was an intended mechanic for back when hit detection was bad. I agree its horrible for all, especially scouts and I also certainly thing it should be removed from the game.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.28 13:08:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Just to correct others (I too thought this wrongly before) weapon impulse is just the rag doll effects.
This 'slow down' thing has been around for quite some time. I think it was an intended mechanic for back when hit detection was bad. I agree its horrible for all, especially scouts and I also certainly think it should be removed from the game.
It may have existed, but never to this extent.
It definitely has become stronger.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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CommanderBolt
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Posted - 2014.02.28 13:12:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:Just to correct others (I too thought this wrongly before) weapon impulse is just the rag doll effects.
This 'slow down' thing has been around for quite some time. I think it was an intended mechanic for back when hit detection was bad. I agree its horrible for all, especially scouts and I also certainly think it should be removed from the game. It may have existed, but never to this extent. It definitely has become stronger.
Yea I thought that too. I don't know when it got so noticeable but it wasn't always that way. Maybe it was because before the AA / hit detection changes - getting bullets on target was more difficult and thus it was only marginally slowing people down.
It has been very noticeable these past few months and I would be very happy if CCP could comment on this, even more happy if they removed this feature.
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.02.28 13:15:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:I was playing a couple matches today, and noticed a few things about it.
1. It affects armor about 50% more than it affects shield
2. The combat rifle is notorious for creating this effect-almost every time it happened it was a combat rifle shooting me, though other rifles cause it too, the combat rifle causes it the most
3. After being hit, you are reduced to 50% speed, and cannot jump beyond the jump height of a plate stacked heavy
4. I use kin cats, so it may have something to do with those
5. Anyone can answer, not just CCP. If you know something i don't, please enlighten me about this gameplay mechanic/bug
That is indeed a feature, and one of the least needed ones I've seen so far.
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Nocturnal Soul
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.28 13:30:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Disturbingly Bored wrote:1.7 patch notes added "weapon impulse" to all bullet hits.
That's what you're experiencing. Well I don't like it. It is also way to high on the HMG; my Scout runs slower than a walking heavy after getting hit with just one shot.
Really? And here I thought I just wasn't fast enough
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:46:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Its actualy been in game for a long time, It was implimented back when there was terible hit detection to counter people strafign trough wals of bullets. Slowing them down and increasing the chance of hits registering. Now its just been labled a feature to represent realism.
^ This. It's actually something the beta testers had a fairly big conversation about. The entire contents of that conversation were ignored by CCP and they arbitrarily imposed the slowdown mechanic we have now. I remember when i first down loaded the build and eagerly tried it out to see what the new mechanics would be like....i was overwhelmed, tbh, by the cheesiness of it all. And by regret.
In the old forums, CCP definitely heard about it, but we never heard back from CCP. A lot of peeps were eilling to live with it for exactly the reasons Beck mentions - as a stinky, cheesy counterbalance to the stinky, cheesy hit detection.
Hit detection is better(or just covered up with AA?) but we still are saddled with the slowdown mechanics, which bears a lot of responsibility for how clunky and slow the gameplay feels.
If Rouge has and sense at all this will be gone in 1.8.
P.S. The 'Weapon Impulse' mechanic only applies to merc's ragdolls after they'e incapacitated - that's why we get that cool physics when we finish off downed mercs - best effects from a flaylok, imo ;)
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.02.28 15:59:00 -
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I posted in the Bug forum about this a while back.
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Fox Gaden
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Posted - 2014.02.28 16:01:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:1.7 patch notes added "weapon impulse" to all bullet hits.
That's what you're experiencing.
I was getting it in 1.6 on my Speed fit Heavy.
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Fox Gaden
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Posted - 2014.02.28 16:05:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Awry Barux wrote:My personal hypothesis is that it's intended, either to cover up shoddy hit detection or to appease scrubs who would think that shoddy hit detection was to blame for their inaccuracy. One of the two, more likely the first one. I have no concrete data to back this up. its a direct nerf to my minja
And ironically it is also a direct nerf to my Speed Heavy. Do you realize how slow a Heavy moves at 50% walking speed?
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Fox Gaden
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Posted - 2014.02.28 16:11:00 -
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This is by far the most frustrating aspect of the game for me right now. Far more frustrating than dealing with tanks or any of the other issues. This is the one thing that makes me want to hurl my controller through my TV screen!
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Kierkegaard Soren
Forsaken Immortals
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Posted - 2014.02.28 16:27:00 -
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I noticed it as a significant effect after 1.7 and it really bugs me. I'm not a fast suit to begin with, and rail rifles hitting me from 80m or more away and slowing me to a crawl is a really ****** effect. I don't see what it adds to the game, but I can see what it takes away. Hope it gets addressed at some point.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:13:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Awry Barux wrote:My personal hypothesis is that it's intended, either to cover up shoddy hit detection or to appease scrubs who would think that shoddy hit detection was to blame for their inaccuracy. One of the two, more likely the first one. I have no concrete data to back this up. its a direct nerf to my minja And ironically it is also a direct nerf to my Speed Heavy. Do you realize how slow a Heavy moves at 50% walking speed?
Even more so for a ninja, whose EHP is largely counted in not getting hit, while a heavy has shield and armor to make up most of their EHP
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:34:00 -
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It's really frustrating when the rounds are pounding your back and acting like a tractor beam rather than a push.
It completely hoses speed tanking and induces rage. I feel the hand of CCP holding me in place to be killed and it makes me want to slap them in the face. |
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