DUST Search - Yet another reason why the new logi racial bonuses seem so silly

I-Shayz-I wrote:

If they were to do it right, the bonuses should be on the equipment skills themselves with maybe even equipment proficiency just like weapons, and not the suits.

But then again it's CCP. Each suit is getting something specific to their racial items, whether it be upgrades to weapons, resistances, or even just things those suits use.

Besides, I thought you were a good logi...no? You should know that using more than one of an equipment makes your logi suit much less effective (unless it's just an uplink/nanohive spamming one, in that case it's actually just exploiting game mechanics)

And on top of it all, the repair tool is getting the smallest nerf of all the equipment. You didn't even take that into account. The only thing they're doing is limiting the range on the thing if you're not minmatar. That means that other racial suits with more HP have to stick closer to their targets, while the minmatar with lower HP can stay farther back and use cover while repping from range. The only repair tool to get a nerf in health repaired is the core focused.

The nanaohives are getting their nano supply nerfed unless you are caldari. So non-caldari will find their nanohives running out much quicker...while the caldari bonus restores their nano capacity to 1.7 levels, and gives them an even faster resupply and repair rate.

I could go on but by now you should be able to see the way it is. You have the freedom to choose what you want to use, but certain suits use those items better. That's what CCP wants to do, and I like it.


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Zaria Min Deir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 557	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:58:00 - [1] - Quote So, ignoring any comparison to other classes, just looking at the logistics class, the upcoming racial bonuses to single type of equipment are unbalanced and seem like an unfinished thought. Now, an actual logi should in most circumstances be carrying multiple types of equipment to make for a balanced support class, and that is what most logis do, and will continue to do in 1.8. However, the specialization that CCP seems to be wanting to drive us towards will be in many cases if not strictly necessary, then at least encouraged in any sort of competitive play (lol what little there is of that in Dust). So looking at the different races: a Caldari logi can always benefit not only themselves but their team by carrying several sets of nanohives, and many will be encouraged to do so simply because, for example, the non bonused rep hives that could be deployed by others will not be all that amazing after the equipment nerf. An Amarr Logi carrying multiple sets of links will not be a rare sight to see, no matter how unsuited some consider that particular suit for actually effectively deploying those links, the racial bonus will make the links deployed by the Amarr Logi the most desirable on the field. A Gallente logi gets a bonus to active scanners, but not to their cooldown, which will be drastically increased with the equipment nerf... so carrying multiple scanners is useful even when when you don't consider how much it makes sense to carry different types for range, scout hunting etc. So... a Minmatar logi carrying multiple rep tools makes as much sense as all of the above? Right? RIGHT? Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 557	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:06:00 - [2] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Please just stop with this already. I would tell you why the bonuses are good but they're 20 other freaking threads already filled with my answer. Nope. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 558	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:18:00 - [3] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Ah, the min/max attitude. If it's not receiving a bonus then you don't want it. My load outs won't be changing but my strength will be in remote armor repair. I'd just refer you to the second paragraph of my post... but you clearly ignored it the first time around, so no point. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 565	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:59:00 - [4] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: If they were to do it right, the bonuses should be on the equipment skills themselves with maybe even equipment proficiency just like weapons, and not the suits. But then again it's CCP. Each suit is getting something specific to their racial items, whether it be upgrades to weapons, resistances, or even just things those suits use. Besides, I thought you were a good logi...no? You should know that using more than one of an equipment makes your logi suit much less effective (unless it's just an uplink/nanohive spamming one, in that case it's actually just exploiting game mechanics) And on top of it all, the repair tool is getting the smallest nerf of all the equipment. You didn't even take that into account. The only thing they're doing is limiting the range on the thing if you're not minmatar. That means that other racial suits with more HP have to stick closer to their targets, while the minmatar with lower HP can stay farther back and use cover while repping from range. The only repair tool to get a nerf in health repaired is the core focused. The nanaohives are getting their nano supply nerfed unless you are caldari. So non-caldari will find their nanohives running out much quicker...while the caldari bonus restores their nano capacity to 1.7 levels, and gives them an even faster resupply and repair rate. I could go on but by now you should be able to see the way it is. You have the freedom to choose what you want to use, but certain suits use those items better. That's what CCP wants to do, and I like it. Please read the whole post before replying... particularly the second paragraph. But I'm glad I gave you a chance to get in your daily amount of being condescending, I hope it made you feel good about yourself. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 565	Posted - 2014.02.27 23:02:00 - [5] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: the non bonused rep hives that could be deployed by others will not be all that amazing after the equipment nerf. There is your fallacy right there. You're right, it's missing the implied "in comparison". My apologies. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 565	Posted - 2014.02.27 23:12:00 - [6] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Please just stop with this already. I would tell you why the bonuses are good but they're 20 other freaking threads already filled with my answer. ^^^ This sigh point out exactly where in this post I call the bonuses in themselves bad? I know, reading is so hard. Also, guess what? You're entitled to your opinion, but so is everyone else to theirs... your opinion isn't inherently more right than anyone else's, either. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 566	Posted - 2014.02.27 23:24:00 - [7] - Quote Big Popa Smurff wrote: What other kind of racial bonus would you like to see instead of the repair tool? Maybe something affecting RE's? The fastest logi with the lowest base health... yes, strangely enough, in my opinion the suit itself is more inherently suited to quick in and out demolition work than hanging out in the most intense fire fights, repping a heavy... but that's just me :D But then again... a bonus to REs for the MinLogi would not be balanced either, not in comparison to the other Logi suits, it would just swing the balance in the other direction v0v Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 573	Posted - 2014.02.28 18:17:00 - [8] - Quote Ah, sweet, more people who couldn't be bothered to read more than the subject before commenting, welcome to the party... Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"