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darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 468	Posted - 2014.02.27 20:50:00 - [1] - Quote Its too low. "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR TCD ToXiCaTeD RISE of LEGION 1542	Posted - 2014.02.27 20:53:00 - [2] - Quote no. a python with operation 5 and proto missiles will destroy EVERYTHING. and if you have multiple gunners? dropships are already hard enough to take down, you don't need to give them more hp. just remove redline rail tanks and your problem is solved. Anime > EVERYTHING
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10151	Posted - 2014.02.27 20:54:00 - [3] - Quote It's too low vs rail tanks, yes. Against infantry AV? Lolno. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1242	Posted - 2014.02.27 20:55:00 - [4] - Quote Nope it's fine. Hardener, hardener, extender, pg upgrade. Even a scrub like me with terrible flight skills can survive anything other than a redline rail.
Vegetation Monster KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 206	Posted - 2014.02.27 20:55:00 - [5] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: Its too low. caldari medium frame 210 shield 120 armor gallante medium fram 120 shield 210 armor so why is it different with vehicles? Agreed. 200 more shield. B Double O T Y
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 468	Posted - 2014.02.27 20:58:00 - [6] - Quote iv been one hit killed by forges at 350 m its cleary low heath aslo icubis is cleary a better ADS choice "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 244	Posted - 2014.02.27 20:59:00 - [7] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It's too low vs rail tanks, yes. Against infantry AV? Lolno. Except for breach FG. I have been OHK before. Granted my ship is not max sp, so I can't take armor and turrets at the same time. Maybe if I was completely proto'd out I could take at least one shot, but mid level pythons are not great vs forge. Especially when there is a swarm in the same area. But red line rails are the only prob, if I get blown away by a rail who is coordinating with other tankers and luring me down, I should get swatted. I like that I need my own tank support in order to fly with protection. It prevents total ADS spam. Just fix the whole I am on a mountain in the redline issue. FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 244	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:01:00 - [8] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Nope it's fine. Hardener, hardener, extender, pg upgrade. Even a scrub like me with terrible flight skills can survive anything other than a redline rail. So why should only one viable fit exist? Also PC ADS is hilarious. No one pilot stays up in the air. Most will go through a couple easily. Kinda stupid if you ask me. FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1245	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:02:00 - [9] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: iv been one hit killed by forges at 350 m its cleary low heath aslo icubis is cleary a better ADS choice Pythons are all about the preemptive hardener. Don't get caught with it down. This is the one vehicle where waves of opportunity genuinely apply with the strength that CCP wanted them to.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1245	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:03:00 - [10] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Nope it's fine. Hardener, hardener, extender, pg upgrade. Even a scrub like me with terrible flight skills can survive anything other than a redline rail. So why should only one viable fit exist? Also PC ADS is hilarious. No one pilot stays up in the air. Most will go through a couple easily. Kinda stupid if you ask me. It's not the only viable fit- I usually go hardener hardener afterburner because it lets me dodge railguns better. I've also heard of pilots going double extender for 3.2k passive tank.

Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 244	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:07:00 - [11] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Nope it's fine. Hardener, hardener, extender, pg upgrade. Even a scrub like me with terrible flight skills can survive anything other than a redline rail. So why should only one viable fit exist? Also PC ADS is hilarious. No one pilot stays up in the air. Most will go through a couple easily. Kinda stupid if you ask me. It's not the only viable fit- I usually go hardener hardener afterburner because it lets me dodge railguns better. I've also heard of pilots going double extender for 3.2k passive tank. Double hard and afterb is risky due to breach and unknown rails. If you always move super fast and don't have a side gunner it is more doable. The passive tank isn't bad, but hard to perform forge removal from towers. I run heavy extender, hard, and AB. It helps fight certain forge threats better. But I haven't flown a pure tank in a bit, I will do it later tonight. FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 468	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:08:00 - [12] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: darkiller240 wrote: iv been one hit killed by forges at 350 m its cleary low heath aslo icubis is cleary a better ADS choice Pythons are all about the preemptive hardener. Don't get caught with it down. This is the one vehicle where waves of opportunity genuinely apply with the strength that CCP wanted them to. well iv been 2 shoted with harderner UP "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
J0LLY R0G3R 0uter.Heaven 538	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:09:00 - [13] - Quote Yes, buff its HP and also nerf the things that are currently able to take it down. I don't see where that will go...quickly XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 244	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:09:00 - [14] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: darkiller240 wrote: iv been one hit killed by forges at 350 m its cleary low heath aslo icubis is cleary a better ADS choice Pythons are all about the preemptive hardener. Don't get caught with it down. This is the one vehicle where waves of opportunity genuinely apply with the strength that CCP wanted them to. Waves if you are max skill. Splashes if you don't have complex and cool/active abilities. FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 468	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:11:00 - [15] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: no. a python with operation 5 and proto missiles will destroy EVERYTHING. and if you have multiple gunners? dropships are already hard enough to take down, you don't need to give them more hp. just remove redline rail tanks and your problem is solved. i bet eny pyphon pilot would trade heath for firepower enytime as pyphon dies so quik "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10151	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:17:00 - [16] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Nope it's fine. Hardener, hardener, extender, pg upgrade. Even a scrub like me with terrible flight skills can survive anything other than a redline rail. So why should only one viable fit exist? Also PC ADS is hilarious. No one pilot stays up in the air. Most will go through a couple easily. Kinda stupid if you ask me. You're expecting to never die in an ADS in PC? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1247	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:20:00 - [17] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: Awry Barux wrote: darkiller240 wrote: iv been one hit killed by forges at 350 m its cleary low heath aslo icubis is cleary a better ADS choice Pythons are all about the preemptive hardener. Don't get caught with it down. This is the one vehicle where waves of opportunity genuinely apply with the strength that CCP wanted them to. well iv been 2 shoted with harderner UP Then you were probably getting hit with a multiple damage modded redline rail, which is a separate problem. Buffing the Python is not the solution to that. Instead, something needs to be done about redline rail tanks.
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 244	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:22:00 - [18] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: darkiller240 wrote: Awry Barux wrote: darkiller240 wrote: iv been one hit killed by forges at 350 m its cleary low heath aslo icubis is cleary a better ADS choice Pythons are all about the preemptive hardener. Don't get caught with it down. This is the one vehicle where waves of opportunity genuinely apply with the strength that CCP wanted them to. well iv been 2 shoted with harderner UP Then you were probably getting hit with a multiple damage modded redline rail, which is a separate problem. Buffing the Python is not the solution to that. Instead, something needs to be done about redline rail tanks. End of discussion. FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 244	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:23:00 - [19] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Nope it's fine. Hardener, hardener, extender, pg upgrade. Even a scrub like me with terrible flight skills can survive anything other than a redline rail. So why should only one viable fit exist? Also PC ADS is hilarious. No one pilot stays up in the air. Most will go through a couple easily. Kinda stupid if you ask me. You're expecting to never die in an ADS in PC? Lol, of course I expected to die. What are you crazy?! I just wanted to put some perspective on it. But they still don't have to cost 500k for what they mainly get used for in PC... FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 468	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:28:00 - [20] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: darkiller240 wrote: Awry Barux wrote: darkiller240 wrote: iv been one hit killed by forges at 350 m its cleary low heath aslo icubis is cleary a better ADS choice Pythons are all about the preemptive hardener. Don't get caught with it down. This is the one vehicle where waves of opportunity genuinely apply with the strength that CCP wanted them to. well iv been 2 shoted with harderner UP Then you were probably getting hit with a multiple damage modded redline rail, which is a separate problem. Buffing the Python is not the solution to that. Instead, something needs to be done about redline rail tanks. no se this is the problem with railguns tanks we cant see if their balanced once 1.8 drop incubus will dominate the air "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1250	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:35:00 - [21] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: Awry Barux wrote: darkiller240 wrote: Awry Barux wrote: darkiller240 wrote: iv been one hit killed by forges at 350 m its cleary low heath aslo icubis is cleary a better ADS choice Pythons are all about the preemptive hardener. Don't get caught with it down. This is the one vehicle where waves of opportunity genuinely apply with the strength that CCP wanted them to. well iv been 2 shoted with harderner UP Then you were probably getting hit with a multiple damage modded redline rail, which is a separate problem. Buffing the Python is not the solution to that. Instead, something needs to be done about redline rail tanks. no se this is the problem with railguns tanks we cant see if their balanced once 1.8 drop incubus will dominate the air What do you mean? Why can't we see if they're balanced? I'm pretty sure they're not
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 875	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:37:00 - [22] - Quote I might have to try some of the fits suggested here. I tried 3 x extenders and thought YEAA look at that shield HP. It was not worth a **. 1 - 2 shots dead. I usually run 2 extenders and an afterburner. I take a hit and escape with the AB. I may have to try the 2 hardeners and an extender but I just dont see how you will survive rails without an AB to be honest. I will give it a try none the less. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB** For the STATE!
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1250	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:42:00 - [23] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: I might have to try some of the fits suggested here. I tried 3 x extenders and thought YEAA look at that shield HP. It was not worth a ****. 1 - 2 shots dead. I usually run 2 extenders and an afterburner. I take a hit and escape with the AB. I may have to try the 2 hardeners and an extender but I just dont see how you will survive rails without an AB to be honest. I will give it a try none the less. Heh 2 hardeners + extender is my Ambush fit. No redline = rails are not really a threat provided you're paying attention and don't let one get called in without you noticing. They'll get you if there are two at opposite ends of the map, but at that point they deserve to- two rail tanks should beat a single ADS. When there's just one, you can just stay above it and harass until it explodes or the driver recalls it. That fit will shrug off forges all day- the only time infantry AV becomes a problem is multiple swarmers doing aim-disruption with a breach forge doing the work. Otherwise it's no problem to sink some missiles into the heavy.
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 244	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:47:00 - [24] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: I might have to try some of the fits suggested here. I tried 3 x extenders and thought YEAA look at that shield HP. It was not worth a ****. 1 - 2 shots dead. I usually run 2 extenders and an afterburner. I take a hit and escape with the AB. I may have to try the 2 hardeners and an extender but I just dont see how you will survive rails without an AB to be honest. I will give it a try none the less. My fav fit has 2550 shield, 960 armor ( I think, it's just unmodded base ) with an AB and complex Hard. I am usually pretty quick with my AB and hard to survive most rail engagements, however there are some truly amazing shots out there. FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 875	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:47:00 - [25] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: I might have to try some of the fits suggested here. I tried 3 x extenders and thought YEAA look at that shield HP. It was not worth a **. 1 - 2 shots dead. I usually run 2 extenders and an afterburner. I take a hit and escape with the AB. I may have to try the 2 hardeners and an extender but I just dont see how you will survive rails without an AB to be honest. I will give it a try none the less. Heh 2 hardeners + extender is my Ambush fit. No redline = rails are not really a threat provided you're paying attention and don't let one get called in without you noticing. They'll get you if there are two at opposite ends of the map, but at that point they deserve to- two rail tanks should beat a single ADS. When there's just one, you can just stay above it and harass until it explodes or the driver recalls it. That fit will shrug off forges all day- the only time infantry AV becomes a problem is multiple swarmers doing aim-disruption with a breach forge doing the work. Otherwise it's no problem to sink some missiles into the heavy. Humm sounds pretty neat, I will have to give it a try man. I use an alt to derpship. I speced out of derpy derps on Commander a long time ago when we got a respec. The thing is they are still creeping on me, I want to use them on my main again..... Dohh CCP release that 1.8 before I spend mah damn SP ive been saving! Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB** For the STATE!
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 877	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:49:00 - [26] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: I might have to try some of the fits suggested here. I tried 3 x extenders and thought YEAA look at that shield HP. It was not worth a **. 1 - 2 shots dead. I usually run 2 extenders and an afterburner. I take a hit and escape with the AB. I may have to try the 2 hardeners and an extender but I just dont see how you will survive rails without an AB to be honest. I will give it a try none the less. My fav fit has 2550 shield, 960 armor ( I think, it's just unmodded base ) with an AB and complex Hard. I am usually pretty quick with my AB and hard to survive most rail engagements, however there are some truly amazing shots out there. Yea man I am pretty quick on the old AB activation now. I have never bothered with hardeners though so I will give it a try for sure. To be honest, its not hard to hit a derpship. Once you are accustom to the travel time its a piece of cake hitting derps. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB** For the STATE!
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 244	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:51:00 - [27] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: I might have to try some of the fits suggested here. I tried 3 x extenders and thought YEAA look at that shield HP. It was not worth a ****. 1 - 2 shots dead. I usually run 2 extenders and an afterburner. I take a hit and escape with the AB. I may have to try the 2 hardeners and an extender but I just dont see how you will survive rails without an AB to be honest. I will give it a try none the less. My fav fit has 2550 shield, 960 armor ( I think, it's just unmodded base ) with an AB and complex Hard. I am usually pretty quick with my AB and hard to survive most rail engagements, however there are some truly amazing shots out there. Yea man I am pretty quick on the old AB activation now. I have never bothered with hardeners though so I will give it a try for sure. To be honest, its not hard to hit a derpship. Once you are accustom to the travel time its a piece of cake hitting derps. I normally am responsible for tower forges, so I need the hard to engage them. Most I have ever dealt with we're two forge and a swarm with links. Whew! That was heart pounding! Yea, I run a state gunlogi. I love hitting ships, but i don't rock any dmg mods. It takes away from the challenge. FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 457	Posted - 2014.02.27 21:55:00 - [28] - Quote 200 more shields will not help against rails.... still 2-3 shots. -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 527	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:03:00 - [29] - Quote Break up the maps more! Im not saying thats the end all solution, but the fact that most maps are basically in a damn crater with very little to obscure cross map views, and hills and cliffs good for cross map sniping of any kind in the redlines is a part of the problem I think. Break those cross map views up some, narrow the windows of fire, make rail snipers have to stay on the move constantly looking for that long shot as opposed to sitting on a hill in the redline with almost complete view of the whole map. That would be a good start I feel. Also, I don't know what the OP is running fit wise, but I hear ADS pilots complain about low health yet run 3 enhanced turrets. I tried the Python and hated it, and I personally always run an Incubus, and I never run turrets on the sides (though I do have a fit that does). Not only are side gunners way too exposed to ground fire for a "gunship" to ever be seriously effective (in my opinion, though i have seen some people do it pretty damn good), but you give up way too much in CPU/PG to fit those extra turrets, and agass cannon dropship is about worthless, unless your strafing vehicles. Anyway, on the Python having more health.........i don't know, i guess that would be ok if it was within reason, and only because it wouldn't matter. The Python is a shield DS, and shields are broke/UP right now. You could maybe squeeze a touch more survivability out of it, but not effectivness. I haven't failed 10,000 times, i've successfully found 10,000 ways that won't work. Thomas Edison
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD 528	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:06:00 - [30] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: darkiller240 wrote: Its too low. caldari medium frame 210 shield 120 armor gallante medium fram 120 shield 210 armor so why is it different with vehicles? Agreed. 200 more shield. Massive shield regen. Low delays. Ability to fit extenders to give you 3000+ shields. Just use a hardener. It's 60% FFS. Director of ZionTCD Amarr Logi \| Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Scout (SoonGäó) TDBS



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