DUST Search - Why are the PC players still here???

CommanderBolt wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

I'd hardly call it cheating if:

a) The system is working exactly as designed, just being used in an unintended way
b) There has been no 100% official confirmation that PC District Locking (which is what I assume you're talking about) is an exploit
c) It has persisted for going on nine months now.

I'm of the opinion that players shouldn't be punished for finding chinks in the armor. Fill the hole, fix the problem - don't take it out on the players.

Just to inject some other thinking here....

So its fine then when people like WTF (Who uploaded a youtube video of this) farm PC matches with their alt corp and gain like 250 thousand + Skillpoints in one match when the 3x sp event was on?

That's totally unfair for the rest of us that have to grind bit by bit for days and weeks. I am not saying I have the answers but CCP should be hotfixing and patching these kind of things up ASAP. Not leaving these same problems to linger for months and months on end.

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TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5880	Posted - 2014.02.28 04:59:00 - [61] - Quote "If I can do it in game, the devs must have intended on it being a feature" - Every PC corp leader. Never forget More tiericide, less tieriphiles.
Canari Elphus Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1229	Posted - 2014.02.28 05:16:00 - [62] - Quote Anybody can farm ISK in this game, not just PC players. Step #1 - start throwaway alt Step #2 - keep alt's suits to under 5k each Step #3 - run only ambushes and make 25mil ISK a week I wanted to see what the NPE was like so I started an alt from scratch and didnt squad up with anyone during the whole time. In about 8-9 days, he was at 110k WP, had about a 1.8 KDR (while dealing with tankbush) and made 27mil ISK. Canari Elphus for CPM1
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1817	Posted - 2014.02.28 05:18:00 - [63] - Quote The majority of PC is FarmVille now. Collect clones, sell, buy proto, stomp. That's what the vast majority of "PC" Corps end up doing. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Spartacus Dust The-Legionnaires The CORVOS 164	Posted - 2014.02.28 07:27:00 - [64] - Quote Good on him for exploiting people, the real problem is everyone else who "Can't compete" are too lazy or cheap or whatever to tell all their members to donate/raise taxes, so they can hire FA or someone to get a district for them, then they can lock it themselves once they own the district and join the passive income club. Twitter @Matthew_Dust Candidate for the CPM1 One Universe//One War
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5111	Posted - 2014.02.28 07:33:00 - [65] - Quote I'd hardly call it cheating if: a) The system is working exactly as designed, just being used in an unintended way b) There has been no 100% official confirmation that PC District Locking (which is what I assume you're talking about) is an exploit c) It has persisted for going on nine months now. I'm of the opinion that players shouldn't be punished for finding chinks in the armor. Fill the hole, fix the problem - don't take it out on the players. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3010	Posted - 2014.02.28 08:56:00 - [66] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: I'd hardly call it cheating if: a) The system is working exactly as designed, just being used in an unintended way b) There has been no 100% official confirmation that PC District Locking (which is what I assume you're talking about) is an exploit c) It has persisted for going on nine months now. I'm of the opinion that players shouldn't be punished for finding chinks in the armor. Fill the hole, fix the problem - don't take it out on the players. I 100% agree. This is not something that can be placed on the shoulders of the players, it is definitely CCP's fault. That doesn't mean it isn't completely and ridiculously broken, just that you can't blame players for taking advantage of a completely trash mechanic.
Beld Errmon 0uter.Heaven 1407	Posted - 2014.02.28 12:51:00 - [67] - Quote Locking districts is bad, but what I find truly repulsive are the corps like warravens who actively farm alts to make isk in the PC battles and advertise it internally as "Isk farming" matches, dunno how many district holding corporations are doing this so i'll stick to naming the one I know for sure who is. What really disgusts me is that CCP takes no action and no doubt few in the corps that have exploited this have had the moral fortitude to actually blow the whistle on this crap.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 626	Posted - 2014.02.28 12:53:00 - [68] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: I play PC every day. If you think PC is for farming K/D you could not be more wrong. If I was only pubbing my K/D would be 4 or 5 times higher. Pubs are boring because most of the people who play this game have no heart. They die twice and out comes the starter fits. At least PC is full of people who actually want to win, not sit in the redline to get their SP. I guess the OP is not referring to those who actually play PC to play competitive matches but more to those who make fake battles with alt corps to lock their districts or farm SP. Have you seen the WTF vid?
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 884	Posted - 2014.02.28 12:55:00 - [69] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: I'd hardly call it cheating if: a) The system is working exactly as designed, just being used in an unintended way b) There has been no 100% official confirmation that PC District Locking (which is what I assume you're talking about) is an exploit c) It has persisted for going on nine months now. I'm of the opinion that players shouldn't be punished for finding chinks in the armor. Fill the hole, fix the problem - don't take it out on the players. Just to inject some other thinking here.... So its fine then when people like WTF (Who uploaded a youtube video of this) farm PC matches with their alt corp and gain like 250 thousand + Skillpoints in one match when the 3x sp event was on? That's totally unfair for the rest of us that have to grind bit by bit for days and weeks. I am not saying I have the answers but CCP should be hotfixing and patching these kind of things up ASAP. Not leaving these same problems to linger for months and months on end. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB For the STATE!
Marc Rime 297	Posted - 2014.02.28 12:59:00 - [70] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Pubs are boring because most of the people who play this game have no heart. They die twice and out comes the starter fits. Well, more than two proto suits means you're losing ISK on that battle. Players without a PC ISK printer can't sustain that.

Beld Errmon 0uter.Heaven 1407	Posted - 2014.02.28 13:01:00 - [71] - Quote What they aren't telling us straight out is they've had their staff cut and don't actually have the ability to fix the problem, last word on this I saw was a Dev saying CCP nullabor might be able to look at it when he visits.... screams budget cuts and internal transfers to me. Aeon, you've got very loose morals if you consider this issue anything but cheating and exploiting.
KatanaPT Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 513	Posted - 2014.02.28 13:04:00 - [72] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: So another words we should all protostomp pubs and not play against players close to our lvls cuz that's cheating. Logic We should organize some RA and FA pubstomps to remind these people what happens when we come to their pubs. Hummmm Tech Guard Recruiting Spot
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2311	Posted - 2014.02.28 13:12:00 - [73] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: The majority of PC is FarmVille now. Collect clones, sell, buy proto, stomp. That's what the vast majority of "PC" Corps end up doing. Yep PC a total Farm Fest... Just spent 2-3 hours Flipping a Research and Cargo back to back. STFU before I actually start going into pubs with stacked squads of NF, and thus giving you something legitimate to QQ about. Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 886	Posted - 2014.02.28 13:18:00 - [74] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: The majority of PC is FarmVille now. Collect clones, sell, buy proto, stomp. That's what the vast majority of "PC" Corps end up doing. Yep PC a total Farm Fest... Just spent 2-3 hours Flipping a Research and Cargo back to back. STFU before I actually start going into pubs with stacked squads of NF, and thus giving you something legitimate to QQ about. Hey man, I dont know you but I have heard for a long time that you are a good player. You dont have to be so aggressive and negative all the time. I think people would respect you more if you just let your actions do the talking. By the way - if you were to start bringing your proto squads and proto teams into matches, I think you would soon find that everyone would just back out of the match. So in actuality you would only be going up against new players who didn't know any better. (That's not good for the game and I dont think that is what you want either?) I respect what you and your team can accomplish but you must remember, a lot of players just play for fun. We are not competitive players and certainly dont have the practised tactics that some of you PC guys do. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB For the STATE!
Hoover Damn H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Legacy Rising 55	Posted - 2014.02.28 13:24:00 - [75] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I was a mechanic CCP did not foresee us players making use of, in a sand box game where we are free to do as we will, they cannot punish the player base for making use of a specific ISK farm. Not even an economy-breaking ISK farm, eh?
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 815	Posted - 2014.02.28 13:30:00 - [76] - Quote These guys boast of being cheats, or just taking advantage And then threaten to invade the Pub servers like we are going to care Do what you like, the game is full of scrubs having to use an advantage against others And from what I hear the Ego boosted Reg is one of the worst Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 815	Posted - 2014.02.28 13:39:00 - [77] - Quote I can't keep looking at this, and seeing that these scrubs are happy with themselves Dust may never recover from the damage these guys are doing, we need to see that That say BPO's break the economy??? LOL These guys farm ISK all week, share it out to like-minded scrubs .. And thats allowed continue as it's good for economy ???? Thanks to the players replying, that don't approve of this Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
The Attorney General 2378	Posted - 2014.02.28 14:33:00 - [78] - Quote I didn't know about the WTF video until you brought it up, and that is exploiting. Report them and see what CCP does. Beyond that, there are people who actually play PC, along with the the lock ups. Would I like it if everyone unlocked hteir districts so we could have a throw down? Sure, but I can't really do that by myself. PC needs a total rework to not be exploitable. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Canari Elphus Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1232	Posted - 2014.02.28 14:36:00 - [79] - Quote Maybe people would be more apt to have a conversation with you if you were somewhat approachable about it. Instead, you are just going on rants and calling people cheaters and exploiters. I love how my comment about non-PC players being able to easily farm ISK with an alt was completely passed over because it didnt fit with your agenda. Things such as PVE and an open market will give non-PC players valid ways to farm tons of ISK as well. Canari Elphus for CPM1
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1784	Posted - 2014.02.28 14:44:00 - [80] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Maybe people would be more apt to have a conversation with you if you were somewhat approachable about it. Instead, you are just going on rants and calling people cheaters and exploiters. I love how my comment about non-PC players being able to easily farm ISK with an alt was completely passed over because it didnt fit with your agenda. Things such as PVE and an open market will give non-PC players valid ways to farm tons of ISK as well. Massive difference being that PvE'ers will need to "work for it" and PC just hands it out hand over fist. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta

Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 188	Posted - 2014.02.28 14:44:00 - [81] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: Want to experience PC for yourself? Join TEAM LOKUN and get your foot in the door as we become the best place to recruit PC ringers. As an organization we don't own districts, but we help them switch hands. Tired of big name corps raking in cheddar? Then join us, practice, and take it from them. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=144216&find=unread bump Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for, welcome to New Eden -ill b there SoonGäó KAMEHAMEHA TANK KILLA
NF Travel Agent Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 21	Posted - 2014.02.28 14:59:00 - [82] - Quote Yes pc is Challenge and there are only a few corps. A tool that may help is the new Negative Feedback Program purchase a regular district a pfc district or pay for an attack on a district for your corp. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=143709&find=unread for me details acquire withing this link and thank you for choosing nf reality for your district desires. All sales are finnaly nf is not responsible for district losses outside of pfc all information will be handles in game. -¬Gäó Contact in game to buy a district or register .
Asirius Medaius 881	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:15:00 - [83] - Quote Why all the hate? I have played about 6 total PC matches, and our old corp never distributed ISK from those districts, yet I still have 110 million isk. I will always have trouble spending all of this long-earned ISK, because frankly, having all the ISK in New Eden still doesn't make new content get produced any faster so you can spend it. Official "SoonGäó" tutorial: TM ----------> Alt+0153 ----------> Gäó
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2941	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:28:00 - [84] - Quote Knight Solitaire wrote: They'd probably be playing PC if it wasn't for the Districts being locked, and if FW had team deploy and a larger incentive to play it in the first place they'd probably be playing there too. Yesterday all but 10 Districts were under attack / locked, those 10 that were open were probably PFC districts. FW isn't rewarding enough, winning a battle for your desired faction doesn't give enough LP, and you aren't paid based on your performance, you're paid just for being there. ummmm.... no lots of them tried PC at 1 time or another, and quickly realized it was a COMPLETELY different game and atmosphere than a pub. but yes... IF FW had a financial incentive we might still see some good games there. When FW was first revamped every night were Qsync good fights... after only a couple weeks most ppl disappeared or the good fights became a rarity because just what AG said.. ppl runnin starter fits and not even trying. FW is better, but I fully agree still needs some tweaking. but randoms in PC.. lulz. gotta have some stones to ever think about it, and come out from under the 'I HaZ No Isk' rock and set up a financial plan that funds your corp. lots of small corps have had decent runs in PC and didn't 'go broke' but the little guy tears are worth collecting You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity - Nietzche
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 817	Posted - 2014.02.28 16:51:00 - [85] - Quote This is not regarding PC battles in general... Just asking why guys got away with ''farming'' it.... To All the defensive AE posters, you guys must have used every exploit you could find Seen as your are so quick to defend yourselves, and post un-related replies Good for you if you played PC, and did well.... But the guys exploiting Have delayed production while it gets fixed so that effects the whole playerbase Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5118	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:28:00 - [86] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: I'd hardly call it cheating if: a) The system is working exactly as designed, just being used in an unintended way b) There has been no 100% official confirmation that PC District Locking (which is what I assume you're talking about) is an exploit c) It has persisted for going on nine months now. I'm of the opinion that players shouldn't be punished for finding chinks in the armor. Fill the hole, fix the problem - don't take it out on the players. Just to inject some other thinking here.... So its fine then when people like WTF (Who uploaded a youtube video of this) farm PC matches with their alt corp and gain like 250 thousand + Skillpoints in one match when the 3x sp event was on? That's totally unfair for the rest of us that have to grind bit by bit for days and weeks. I am not saying I have the answers but CCP should be hotfixing and patching these kind of things up ASAP. Not leaving these same problems to linger for months and months on end. Hey, not like the option isn't available to you. Grab up a PC district, lock that ***** up and farm away Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 820	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:34:00 - [87] - Quote The option shouldn't be there for anyone... Make all the ISK you like if earning it But some gamers play for enjoyment, not to use unfair advantages As that takes away from the enjoyment... unless of course you are a scrub Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying


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