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mollerz Minja Scouts 2437	Posted - 2014.02.27 02:48:00 - [1] - Quote One of the worst aspects to nova knifing is the horrendous FOV. Currently, there is no ADS functionality. I was thinking it would be cool to add some functionality. 1- Aiming down sight, commonly invoked by pressing the L1 button, increases the FOV by as much as technically possible. 30-¦ or so would be nice. 2- Much like ADS with any other weapon, gives you stats on targets such as drop suit statistics, vehicle statistics, etc. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 974	Posted - 2014.02.27 02:53:00 - [2] - Quote nova knife ADS= ballistic function. Throw by holding L!, then charging with R1 and releasing to throw Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1028	Posted - 2014.02.27 02:56:00 - [3] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: nova knife ADS= ballistic function. Throw by holding L!, then charging with R1 and releasing to throw I forsee heavies screaming for nerfs as they die to knives hucked into their brains from 20 meters. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
mollerz Minja Scouts 2437	Posted - 2014.02.27 03:01:00 - [4] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: nova knife ADS= ballistic function. Throw by holding L!, then charging with R1 and releasing to throw Nah. That would take away from the very soul of why knives are awesome. My suggestion would merely serve to deepen the aspect of that soul. Any long time knifer would agree that we need to be able to sprint charge vs a ballistic aspect. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Bormir1r WarRavens League of Infamy 114	Posted - 2014.02.27 03:02:00 - [5] - Quote mollerz wrote: One of the worst aspects to nova knifing is the horrendous FOV. Currently, there is no ADS functionality. I was thinking it would be cool to add some functionality. 1- Aiming down sight, commonly invoked by pressing the L1 button, increases the FOV by as much as technically possible. 30-¦ or so would be nice. 2- Much like ADS with any other weapon, gives you stats on targets such as drop suit statistics, vehicle statistics, etc. Definitely would be interesting and fun! "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 247	Posted - 2014.02.27 03:34:00 - [6] - Quote i really think scouts with nova knifes should get terminate moves if the target has less than half hp and with the charged knives?, assassinations, and maybe the charge attack instead of a swipe it could be a power stab, very bloody, and way more precise, and mayyyyybe very in the future knives duels with buttons combinations Dragons don't have friends. The nearest we can get to the idea is an enemy who is still alive.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 980	Posted - 2014.02.27 03:36:00 - [7] - Quote mollerz wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: nova knife ADS= ballistic function. Throw by holding L!, then charging with R1 and releasing to throw Nah. That would take away from the very soul of why knives are awesome. My suggestion would merely serve to deepen the aspect of that soul. Any long time knifer would agree that we need to be able to sprint charge vs a ballistic aspect. sprint charge is even better, but ballistic knives are too much fun lolGÇª.whenever i play CoD i only use ballistic knives and no weapon Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 2351	Posted - 2014.02.27 03:36:00 - [8] - Quote mollerz wrote: Any long time knifer would agree that we need to be able to sprint charge vs a ballistic aspect. IMO if the sprint charge comes back, the uncharged swipes need to go. Sprint charge glitch was literally the most fun time as a knifer I have had. I was sad to see it fixed.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 980	Posted - 2014.02.27 03:37:00 - [9] - Quote id say sprint charge with a little bit of "aim assist" if the target is within 2m of you and is just outside of your FoV (not CoD jump knifing, but a little help if the enemy moves a tiny bit Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 26	Posted - 2014.02.27 03:39:00 - [10] - Quote mollerz wrote: sprint charge mmhmm yep this +9001

mollerz Minja Scouts 2437	Posted - 2014.02.27 03:46:00 - [11] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: mollerz wrote: Any long time knifer would agree that we need to be able to sprint charge vs a ballistic aspect. IMO if the sprint charge comes back, the uncharged swipes need to go. Sprint charge glitch was literally the most fun time as a knifer I have had. I was sad to see it fixed. The problem is that without the high alpha damage the knives become worthless. It doesn't stand that sprint damage inflicting less damage gets past the fact you will get killed because your hit took away about half that heavies EHP, and he then turns around and mows you down. Without the high alpha damage a ninja scout will die. Knives become worthless. I have over 5k knife kills at least on my toon . The only thing a sprint charge will do is negate the ridiculous backpedal speed all suits have. Other than not dying to that, I won't do any better with knives. In fact, were there a world that had ninjas running around battlefields vs heavy weapons toting armored suits that , pressing a button on a knife to engage charging would be absolutely possible. I'm sorry nova knife, but you were always wrong on ending nova knives, and frankly, don't think you are as good as most knifers. If you really were good at knifing you'd see why sprint charging wouldn't be OP in comparison to the way the mechanics exist in game today. Your concept if balancing knives is not balance, it's trading one neff for another. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
mollerz Minja Scouts 2437	Posted - 2014.02.27 03:47:00 - [12] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: id say sprint charge with a little bit of "aim assist" if the target is within 2m of you and is just outside of your FoV (not CoD jump knifing, but a little help if the enemy moves a tiny bit Fuk aim assist and fuk COD You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 2351	Posted - 2014.02.27 03:53:00 - [13] - Quote I think you misread my intent, Mollerz. I am 100% for charging the knives while sprinting. The combination of speed + alpha damage is what made them so damn scary and effective, back when this was possible. However, being able to swing them for damage that is still pretty hefty with no real delay is something I disapprove of. The ability to kill people without charging was a bad compromise made because they thought we would like that MORE than sprint charging. IMO it should be one or the other. Having both sprint charge + uncharged swipes would be broken. As said above, sprint charge makes it possible to be much more agressive with your knives and makes them a LOT more fun. I just feel like if you miss with that alpha, you shouldn't be able to spam R1. It is a pretty consistent balancing trait of High Alpha weapons to have a lower RoF, or similar downside. Waiting between charges to swipe accomplishes this.
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 248	Posted - 2014.02.27 03:56:00 - [14] - Quote mollerz wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: id say sprint charge with a little bit of "aim assist" if the target is within 2m of you and is just outside of your FoV (not CoD jump knifing, but a little help if the enemy moves a tiny bit Fuk aim assist and fuk COD i fuking agreeeee Dragons don't have friends. The nearest we can get to the idea is an enemy who is still alive.
mollerz Minja Scouts 2437	Posted - 2014.02.27 04:05:00 - [15] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: I think you misread my intent, Mollerz. I am 100% for charging the knives while sprinting. The combination of speed + alpha damage is what made them so damn scary and effective, back when this was possible. However, being able to swing them for damage that is still pretty hefty with no real delay is something I disapprove of. The ability to kill people without charging was a bad compromise made because they thought we would like that MORE than sprint charging. IMO it should be one or the other. Having both sprint charge + uncharged swipes would be broken. As said above, sprint charge makes it possible to be much more agressive with your knives and makes them a LOT more fun. I just feel like if you miss with that alpha, you shouldn't be able to spam R1. It is a pretty consistent balancing trait of High Alpha weapons to have a lower RoF, or similar downside. Waiting between charges to swipe accomplishes this. Well if your intent is to derail the intent of my thread. Awesome. Let's be real, the sprint charge bug was not all that. It was difficult to manage, and very touchy to accomplish, especially in actual combat. I didn't even use it. Didn't need it. One or the other? See- that's one nerf for another... not balance. Why can;t you slash a knife? You know a knife slash will take down a scout or maybe a starter suit. and that's about it. Heavies and tanked gal logis take 3 slashes, 1 charged+ a slash, or two charged swipes. That is real fact the way the game exists right now. Meanwhile, after the first slash the prey is way onto what is happening. Btw, this is with proto knives, along with level 5 proficiency. A print charge will make you more aggressive, which I would appreciate since I am almost always on the front line going head to head with proto suits. But more than anything, it would serve to kill rapid backpedalers. After that, any benefit would be kind of specious. a 1% of the kill instance type of benefit. Also, you can;t slash with impunity. After the 3rd slash the SFX for the slash will play, but the animation will not. You have to reset if you will, by punching, or "trying" to sprint a little bit. Everything you said points to the fact you don't use knives the way I do, and like I said, I don't think you really live up to your name. Not to be offensive, but I just never agree with how you always want to nerf the knives, yet seem to have no idea what it is like to use them. ALL OF THAT ASIDE... what do you think about my original intent of this thread aka the use of ADS? You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 2352	Posted - 2014.02.27 04:18:00 - [16] - Quote I think it's fair to say that no two players of any playstyle play exactly the same :) It serves no purpose to argue about or compare knife peens. I personally enjoyed the sprint charge glitch, as I found it very reliable to reproduce (98% success rate or so?) and suited my personal "kamikaze charge" style of play. Granted, recent EHP buffs have hindered that playstyle a bit, coupled with improved hit detection and aim assists (and ballet scanners) made that playstyle much more complicated and my KDR naturally dropped as a result :) mollerz wrote: ALL OF THAT ASIDE... what do you think about my original intent of this thread aka the use of ADS? :P Personally, I think the FoV could stand to be increased either way. Doesn't really need to be attached to knives. It's pretty narrow compared to most games, and a semi-common complaint brought up among first-timers and vets alike.
mollerz Minja Scouts 2438	Posted - 2014.02.27 05:20:00 - [17] - Quote I'm not e-peening. Just trying to show you why you are not proposing balance, but a nerf. Agreed, the FOV is atrocious. I was hoping this would somehow be manageable technically. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7043	Posted - 2014.02.27 05:26:00 - [18] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: mollerz wrote: Any long time knifer would agree that we need to be able to sprint charge vs a ballistic aspect. IMO if the sprint charge comes back, the uncharged swipes need to go. Sprint charge glitch was literally the most fun time as a knifer I have had. I was sad to see it fixed. Um. No. The uncharged swipes need to stay. Sorry to counter your point there, but I don't want that feature removed. I agree with the OP that manually controlling the FOV while holding the knives would be a nice feature to have and will help address the issue with tunnel vision. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
mollerz Minja Scouts 2439	Posted - 2014.02.27 05:49:00 - [19] - Quote Also, not being able to get target information while holding knives is quite the drawback. I don't want that fact to get lost in the mix. And sorry Nova Knife.. I wasn't trying to e-peen you. Honestly, I really do not want that to be your take away. I threw away my KDR on knives because it's the most fun for me to kill the most powerful suits in the worst. It is fun to be the underdog. But it also has to be possible to be an underdog. I just can't see how you use knives and not know what I am talking about. Or rather, how you can come to your conclusions. I am seriously confused You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 977	Posted - 2014.02.27 05:51:00 - [20] - Quote I first though this was for some sort of Assault Dropship Melee weapon 0_o ADS Kills: Lost count a while ago...

mollerz Minja Scouts 2439	Posted - 2014.02.27 05:53:00 - [21] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I first though this was for some sort of Assault Dropship Melee weapon 0_o Lol.. like a ram on a pirate ship? That would actually be pretty sweet.. for DS to DS combat Not that I'd know! But ADS as in Aiming Down Sight. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 914	Posted - 2014.02.27 05:59:00 - [22] - Quote mollerz wrote: One of the worst aspects to nova knifing is the horrendous FOV. Currently, there is no ADS functionality. I was thinking it would be cool to add some functionality. 1- Aiming down sight, commonly invoked by pressing the L1 button, increases the FOV by as much as technically possible. 30-¦ or so would be nice. 2- Much like ADS with any other weapon, gives you stats on targets such as drop suit statistics, vehicle statistics, etc. Kinda like this but what's the downside? Slower movement speed? ADS comes with a penalty usually. Otherwise I'll just ducttape L1 down. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
mollerz Minja Scouts 2439	Posted - 2014.02.27 06:09:00 - [23] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: mollerz wrote: One of the worst aspects to nova knifing is the horrendous FOV. Currently, there is no ADS functionality. I was thinking it would be cool to add some functionality. 1- Aiming down sight, commonly invoked by pressing the L1 button, increases the FOV by as much as technically possible. 30-¦ or so would be nice. 2- Much like ADS with any other weapon, gives you stats on targets such as drop suit statistics, vehicle statistics, etc. Kinda like this but what's the downside? Slower movement speed? ADS comes with a penalty usually. Otherwise I'll just ducttape L1 down. It couldn't have slower movement speed or it would be a DOA feature. It's sole purpose, aside from getting the same info a player holding a firearm, is to defeat the insane tunnel vision knifers have to deal with. It would be defeating a penalty we have to contend with due to poor POV. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7043	Posted - 2014.02.27 06:52:00 - [24] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: mollerz wrote: One of the worst aspects to nova knifing is the horrendous FOV. Currently, there is no ADS functionality. I was thinking it would be cool to add some functionality. 1- Aiming down sight, commonly invoked by pressing the L1 button, increases the FOV by as much as technically possible. 30-¦ or so would be nice. 2- Much like ADS with any other weapon, gives you stats on targets such as drop suit statistics, vehicle statistics, etc. Kinda like this but what's the downside? Slower movement speed? ADS comes with a penalty usually. Otherwise I'll just ducttape L1 down. I can't think of a proper downside for something like this. I mean if you think about it, you're zooming out in the process to get a wider view on command, not zooming in for a narrow view which is what currently hurts nova knives in a CQC situation. Wider view just means you see more in the screen but are less able to see certain details in terms of textures. I guess the proper drawback, if any, is to reduce the max line-of-sight distance for the TACNET for as long as you have the ADS toggled. You can see much closer targets effectively but you won't be able to identify anyone who is 70+ meters away. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
mollerz Minja Scouts 2445	Posted - 2014.02.27 20:18:00 - [25] - Quote Thanks, Maken. Yes, to be clear, it would be expanding your view, not zooming in. I think the current FOV is aroun 45 degrees? so ADS would hopefully add another 20-30 degrees of wide view. For reference, real human FOV : Quote: The approximate field of view of an individual human eye is 95-¦ away from the nose, 75-¦ downward, 60-¦ toward the nose, and 60-¦ upward, allowing humans to have an almost 180-degree forward-facing horizontal field of view.[citation needed] With eyeball rotation of about 90-¦ (head rotation excluded, peripheral vision included), horizontal field of view is as high as 270-¦. About 12GÇô15-¦ temporal and 1.5-¦ below the horizontal is the optic nerve or blind spot which is roughly 7.5-¦ high and 5.5-¦ wide.[7] Source Many video games have a far more drastically narrowed FOV due to technical limitations. some PC games are stand outs due to powerful GPUs available. Even so, Dust514 has a very small FOV which makes knifing tantamount to wearing horse blinders. Again, this is due to technical limitations. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 317	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:16:00 - [26] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: nova knife ADS= ballistic function. Throw by holding L!, then charging with R1 and releasing to throw Yeeea no, charged knives doing 580 damage each and a nano hive???? Can't say I want that tbh Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 317	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:18:00 - [27] - Quote mollerz wrote: Thanks, Maken. Yes, to be clear, it would be expanding your view, not zooming in. I think the current FOV is aroun 45 degrees? so ADS would hopefully add another 20-30 degrees of wide view. For reference, real human FOV : Quote: The approximate field of view of an individual human eye is 95-¦ away from the nose, 75-¦ downward, 60-¦ toward the nose, and 60-¦ upward, allowing humans to have an almost 180-degree forward-facing horizontal field of view.[citation needed] With eyeball rotation of about 90-¦ (head rotation excluded, peripheral vision included), horizontal field of view is as high as 270-¦. About 12GÇô15-¦ temporal and 1.5-¦ below the horizontal is the optic nerve or blind spot which is roughly 7.5-¦ high and 5.5-¦ wide.[7] Source Many video games have a far more drastically narrowed FOV due to technical limitations. some PC games are stand outs due to powerful GPUs available. Even so, Dust514 has a very small FOV which makes knifing tantamount to wearing horse blinders. Again, this is due to technical limitations. A fish eye style would be cool so we didn't lose people when they jump an wiggle Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 384	Posted - 2014.02.27 22:19:00 - [28] - Quote mollerz wrote: One of the worst aspects to nova knifing is the horrendous FOV. Currently, there is no ADS functionality. I was thinking it would be cool to add some functionality. 1- Aiming down sight, commonly invoked by pressing the L1 button, increases the FOV by as much as technically possible. 30-¦ or so would be nice. 2- Much like ADS with any other weapon, gives you stats on targets such as drop suit statistics, vehicle statistics, etc. I like this. As for the sprint charge thing I'd rather be able to quick slash while sprinting
safura trotsky Kill Mode Activated Galactic Skyfleet Empire 19	Posted - 2014.02.27 23:18:00 - [29] - Quote No Thanks for picking me up blueberry!...and again...and again...STAHP!!!
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 384	Posted - 2014.02.27 23:20:00 - [30] - Quote safura trotsky wrote: No Why.



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