Plus, If you include the fleets of the Ammatar Mandate and the Khanid Kingdom (both of which have strong relations to the empire), then the figures get even more inflated.

why is this still going i was just yelling at people in GD!!!


Also I'm pretty sure this is meticulously researched and all my claims are verifiable.

i.e. if you happen to be arguing that the Jove's victory was significant in the scale of the loss, you better have some evidence, 'brochacho' (or whatever that thing is)

New info from Dagger Two also indicated that the Amarr inflicted casualties across the Jovian fleet reducing their strength by 1/3 which considering their level of technology, the small fleet size, and much speculated upon Jovian assets...... I certainly would not consider an utter defeat.

reread OP pl0x

I said that already.

Meticulous amirite

EDIT: How embarrassing. Apparently I forgot to add that :(

Jeesh. Ya got your asses kicked by the jove because you morons decided to attack them. stop trying to spin it like you won anything, they could have annihilated your entire empire if they felt like it. they probably felt it was funny that ants were trying to fight the sun so they let you continue to exist. the mothership was not "required" it was a show of force, to teach you not to bite the hand that feeds you. It was a swift, emotionless backhand to teach a child that being stupid hurts, which you apparently learned nothing from.

and yes, you have vast armies that have never seen combat and will break lines at the first bullet and you've possibly developed a counter against retrofitted medical ships, good for you? You seem to forget that their frigates were eating your battleships alive even before the mothership showed up.

No one ever counts the state I mean the entirety of the state can be mobilized around 96 hours. That's a big military that can come knocking on your door. Look at when tibus heth took Caldari Prime. He basically got together the small navy at the time and drafted several others including construction of countless ships for a hasty invasion. I'm not saying it's on par with the amarr's size but the gallente wouldn't be able to combat a true war time State.

No one ever counts the state I mean the entirety of the state can be mobilized around 96 hours. That's a big military that can come knocking on your door. Look at when tibus heth took Caldari Prime. He basically got together the small navy at the time and drafted several others including construction of countless ships for a hasty invasion. I'm not saying it's on par with the amarr's size but the gallente wouldn't be able to combat a true war time State.[/quote.

ok but you should also remeber,tibus heth moved all your forces in that offensive and left doors open in caldari systems.If our side had attacked and answered caldarians rising acts of aggression,caldaris would have lose more than gallente side.But decicion was to spare those numerous gallente lifes in luminaire/caldari prime.

From the sounds of it, the Jovians had at most 30 ships in the batltle + that mothership.

10 ships for 200 doesn't sound too bad, considering the first one was a cheap shot at a frigate that's standing still lol

Look at CONCORD.
Those ships pack a punch, the frigates instantly warp in and lock you down with heavy fire, and if you survive for long enough, they bring in a battlecruiser who's cannon can... insta kill a titan.

That's right, a single shot to destroy a titan, from a battlecruiser.

Where did you get that from? Battlecruisers, even CONCORD, ones don't one-shot anything beyond a frigate or maybe a weak destoyer, just look at any CONCORDOKKEN video and see how long it takes for them to kill people. Cruisers last a few seconds, battlecruisers five and maybe the most tanked up battleships can last 10 or 20 seconds. Titans don't even count here, since you can't bring a Titan into CONCORD territory.

They don't really have as much firepower as they have powerful EWAR that makes your ship completely helpless to do anything while they rip your ship apart, they are at their weakest point here. In most cases, these ships would have hardeners, they'd be moving, they'd have reps or boosters to repair damage and maybe even have a friend remote repairing them, not to mention being able to actually shoot back and use EWAR on them, all of these increasing the ship's survivability significantly. With all these options out becuse you were neuted to hell, all ships are quite weak.

Even if they had a Battlecruiser that could instakill a titan, it didn't help much when a Thukker fleet assaulted Yulai, the CONCORD HQ and arguably the most heavily defended place in the cluster, destroyed them and crippled their rapid-response units. Then right at the start of the Battle for Caldari Prime, the Shiigeru titan used it's doomsday on a CONCORD battleship, killing it instantly.

It is also a false impression to say CONCORD ships are based on Jovian tech only, when in reality they're just a mix of all the empire's technology. CONCORD was originally formed by the fove empires to keep peace, and they've been given exclusive access to tech not available to capsuleers yet(but this tech is not exclusively Jovian based) which gave them their power against individual targets, but not so much against fleets. Thukker won against them. Heck, even a group of capsuleers managed to kill a CONCORD battlecruiser once. In reality, the only reason CONCORD still exists is because it benefits all the empires.

As for the original topic, my side is leaning towards Amarr, but I'm too tired to explain my point after that.

Denak, I am simply expressing amusement at the wall'o'text you wrote :) woulda deleted it in my reply but smartphone says no :(

Technically a Caldari scientist along with a Caldari prisoner made the first dust merc.... using sleeper tech. Just saying.

Ummmm read the book Templar One Along time ago and it was just Amarr scientists that used sleeper tech on one of their Caldari prisoners that they brainwashed to make the first near Dust merc/ Near Immortal troop.

And just look at the result.

It's amazing, the Jovians and the sleepers have some amazing tech. Makes me wonder what else the Sleepers, Jovians and other small but technologically superior groups have. First with the capsuleer tech saving factions from losing thousands of their people from the loss of one large ship. Now with troops that transfer to another body like the capsuleer tech once the body becomes useless.

Any ship bigger than a firgate (even if said ship has a capsule pilot) has a crew in some form or another.

For instance, when a battleship is blown up, there are still hundreds of other people on that ship who aint' the capsuleer.