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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:10:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Caldari are "A political" and aren't interested in cultural differences. Only trade, research and advances in technology. Not changing another culture to replicate their own or control another people to create some sort of empire.
The war with the Gallente is personal and has a lot to do with their betrayal and destruction of the Caldari's home world. The Gallente started the war. The Amarr started their war by conquering and enslaving the Minmatar (personal).
There are 2 victims and 2 perpetrators. A good question would be; why are the Minmatar and Caldari at war? The Gallente attacked the Caldari. Same can be said about the Amarr.
The Caldari are not religious and seem accepting of all cultures as long as trade is not disrupted.
All things considered, it would seem the more prudent course of action that the Caldari should have been alligned with the Minmatar. Add to the fact that the Amarr are the biggest threat in the universe being the largest empire by far. The Caldari being the smallest would find the Minmatars war against the Amarr to be beneficial from an economical standpoint.
I assume the Minmatar allied with the Gallente based on notions of freedom and democracy. Humm... just thinking out loud here.... The Caldari are "allied" with the Amarr to maintain a balance of power. Further more the Minmatar are allied with the Gallente which would make allying with them impossible.
You also seem to have many misconceptions of the current Amarr empire. They aren't the villains you think they are and they sure as hell aren't the biggest threat to the verse; ever hear of Sansha's Nation? I highly recommend that you go talk to an Amarr like True_Adamance to learn more about the Amarr.
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medomai grey
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:42:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:And thats reason why they should put power together. From strategy means, if we aly with Minmatar there will be galenteans alone, Amarss will start open war with them like with heretics and we will prosper with mataris on that basis. There will be bigger progress and both Caldari vbrothers and sisters and mataris will profiting by that, because we will both be from the hook. If we Caldari ally with the Minmatar, the following would happen:
- Gallente attack Caldari.
- Minmatar are asked by both Gallente and Caldari for support.
- The Minmatar side with Gallente because the Minmatar are too dependent and intertwined with the Gallente. It's just how the Gallente set the Minmatar up.
No, Amarr would not start open war with Gallente. Again, learn more about the current Amarr.
No, we Caldari would not be off the hook. Gallente have a tendency to engage in activities that start wars with us Caldari.
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medomai grey
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Posted - 2014.02.26 01:36:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:So the Shiigeru in orbit over Caldari Prime threatening to kill all of the Gallente still on the world is okay? That is twice now the Caldari threatened to kill millions of innocent lives. The Shiigeru had to be taken out to get the Gallente off world Funny thing about that event was that the Admiral Yanala did everything in her power to protect the planet from the collateral damage her Shiigeru would do from crashing into it. Even going so far as to not use her titan's doomsday weapons to defend her vessal in fear of damaging the planet.
The Gallente? They destroyed the titan and celebrated their victory. Even though they indirectly killed many civilians, both Caldari and Gallente, by forcing the Shiiguru to crash into Caldari Prime.
Fraceska wrote:We were brothers and sisters for a long time. The Caldari were instrumental in helping to forge the Federation. Yet various aspects of each group wanted to ensure war was the only option. The attack on Nouvelle Rouvenor was just the beginning. It allowed a right wing government to take over that authorized the deployment of the Gallente Military. Tovil-Toba didn't help matters when he rammed the carrier into a city of 2 million people. Even before the war officially started 2,500,000 Gallente were dead.
When Caldari and Gallente were "friends", the Gallente smothered the Caldari with rules and regulations the Caldari felt unfavorable. When the Caldari were caught ignoring these rules and regulations imposed by the Gallente, they wanted to peacefully leave the Federation. How did the Gallente respond? By blockading the Caldari home world with warships that could bombard the planet's surface. Afraid and powerless against the threats in orbit, a few Caldari radicals lashed out at the closest thing associated to their fears; the result was the tragedy that was Nouvelle Rouvenor.
Admiral Tovil-Toba and his fleet are heroes that went on a suicide mission to save his people. Between the millions of Caldari who faced death by bombardment from Gallente war ships and the millions of Gallente who were killed by Tovil-Toba's titan crashing into their planet, do you dare to criticize Tovil-Toba's desperation to save his own people?
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medomai grey
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Posted - 2014.02.26 01:56:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote: I dont think so, how the market funders they cant attack us easily. Most of galenteans are basicaly adicted to luxury and if they atack on US that will be pure atack on corps. Whats mean no luxury atall. Minmatar, after our intervention will know about galenteans crimes before and will not accept their tries for lighment anymore. Finaly and with open territory amarr arive to finaly crush their "prickle in eye" galenteans. And Caldari with silent cooperation of Minmatar will just see beautifull way to progress through galenteans spiled blood.
You are mistaken if you think that Caldari manufacture Gallente goods. Gallente have their own corporations and manufactures to produce their own goods and services. There is nothing besides military might and our alliance with the Amarr to discourage Gallente attacks.
Minmatar already know of our history with the Gallente. But it's irrelevant because the Minmatar are too dependent and intertwined with Gallente.
And again, you don't understand the current Amarr. Amarr have ceased their expansionist behavior under their Empress.
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medomai grey
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Posted - 2014.02.26 03:42:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:All we wanted was autonomy, but the gallente couldn't stand that. We expressed our desire to leave the federation, and we got the blockade of caldari prime. Tovil toba was a hero, his actions allowed our people the chance to escape and make a world of our own, free from those who would opress us. One thing tho, it was a chimera class carrier that tovil crashed into gallente prime, not a titan. You got me there.
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medomai grey
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Posted - 2014.02.26 04:19:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:A society must exist with laws and guidelines. History as shown and still shows in the Amarr and Caldari states what happens when human aggression is allowed to run rampantly unchecked. Slavery of entire cultures. We knew what would happen the those Caldari not blessed to have parents in the highest positions to go to the right schools to make the right connections. You do not have a true meritocracy. Your elite wanted their own power to dictate to those beneath without elections or voices of their own. So before you call the kettle black look at your own pot. But my pot is chrome in color... no, it really is.
Jokes aside, I'm going to assume you are addressing me because I replied to your post; you make it difficult to know who your addressing because you don't quote or name anyone.
As for the comment you made quoted above, it has little context to the subject of our previous post. I was disgusted by how you could pick and choose history and neglect the rest of the events that surround it. Are you now trying to justify Gallente violence towards other races because they're different than you and don't share the same ideals as you?
For your information the Amarr Empire, has the lowest crime rate in all of New Eden. And the Caldari posses Jita, the most prominent trade hub in New Eden. All fruits I'm sure of being evil, evil people.
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medomai grey
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Posted - 2014.02.26 04:34:00 -
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Harkon Vysarii wrote:Fraceska wrote:And do you not think it odd that Admiral Yanala did not get revived? She act to preserve lives and yet Heth wanted more violence. A madman. When threats are made against the Gallente people we have no choice but to act. All it does is create a senseless cycle of violence. This filth speak of madness.....you spout hypocrisies as soon as you accuse your foe of them.... Heth was a great man and could have been the future of our State. Heath was a sick man slowly falling into madness. He forgot his obligation to the people who supported him and made choices that were not sound.
Fraceska, Admiral Yanala was revived, but murdered by Heath. Furthermore Heath's opinions are not the opinions of the State and his position was an abnormality within the Caldari government.
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medomai grey
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Posted - 2014.02.26 05:33:00 -
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Harkon Vysarii wrote: Your words and weak will pacifism fails to move me.
Changes had to be made within the State, and Heth was the man to lead us to that future. Yanala was a coward, the civilian population means nothing compared the to preventing those Gallente bastards from holding our homeworld a moment longer.
Heth was right to try to rally the Provosts for a second invasion, its a shame the Caldari were weak, they had not stomach for a fight after Caldari Prime and betrayed themselves and their ancestors.
I dare you cowards to call yourselves Patriots, not one of you is truly Caldari. Either halfbreeds or test tube bred halfmen, you liberalist Ishukone scum.
The cost of retaking Caldari Prime by force is high when we can have it through diplomacy. Unnecessary displays of force by Heath have only weakened the State.
Calm your blood lust, there will come a time when you can kill all the Gallente you want.
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medomai grey
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Posted - 2014.02.26 08:31:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Perhaps we celebrated our victory because your idiocy in putting a titan in low orbit was quite a bit better than letting it glass every inhabited planet in system? First, I did not place any titan in orbit around Caldari Prime. You flatter me but I don't have that much power.
Second, the titan was placed as a deterrent to prevent Gallente from invading Caldari Prime again. In the event that Gallente did invade again, the titan was to fire and kill the Gallente inhabitants on the planet; in effect they were hostages. The comedy is that the Gallente destroyed the titan to save the Gallente hostages but instead ended up killing the very people they were trying to save.
Third. As stated before, the titan was in place as a deterrent and not as a forward offensive used to "glass" every inhabited planet in the system. We don't need to keep titans parked in a stationary orbit above a planet to kill every inhabitant of your systems, that would be silly.
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