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Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.25 17:28:00 -
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The terrorist attack on Nouvelle Rouvenor that killed half a million people that would lead to the start of the war. Yakiya Tovil-Toba then rammed his leviathan into Hueromont killed 2 million people. What response did they think was going to happen? |
Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
450
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Posted - 2014.02.25 18:11:00 -
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We were so willing to stop the 100 year war when we discovered the Amarr which were by far the larger threat than the Caldari State. Your morality and wanting to live like Caldari in support of an empire that enslaved entire civilizations for your own greedy empire. Just going to show you how "moral" you can be. How is slavery fitting into your meritocracy, bunch of hypocrites. It would have been better if you staid with the Federation. |
Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.25 18:53:00 -
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Sarus Rambo wrote:Fraceska wrote:We were so willing to stop the 100 year war when we discovered the Amarr which were by far the larger threat than the Caldari State. Your morality and wanting to live like Caldari in support of an empire that enslaved entire civilizations for your own greedy empire. Just going to show you how "moral" you can be. How is slavery fitting into your meritocracy, bunch of hypocrites. It would have been better if you staid with the Federation. You should look more into what Gallante have really done. Gallante preach morality but do not necessarily practice it. They secretly practice unmoral tactics, oppression, and corruption. The Caldari personify strength and unity, capitalism and strength. The strong rise and the weak fall. They don't preach morality so they aren't limited by it. They only preach the Darwinist vision of bettering themselves and by extension their people. Through the fire and flames motha f---a.
And how does your meritocracy apply to slavery? The opposite of what you claim to preach? You just as easily stand on the weak and trod on them to keep up your corporate power. There is no voice of the people. You have no Senate, no elections, your press is controlled through the various corporations. A Caldari would sell their mother if it meant advancing in the corporate ladder. You say you unite out of a commonality, in really it is just self preservation. You fear the loss of control as do those at the top of the corporate ladder.
We have the first true Democratic Republic of New Eden. We liberate oppressed societies. We bring a renaissance of art, literature and culture. You have corporate labels and propaganda to prop yourselves up. How exactly do the lowest of the low ever get to prove themselves when it is already controlled by the corporate elite? Where were the Caldari when the Minmatar rebelled? Who supplied them? Who trained them? Who protected them? The Caldari state sided with their very oppressors. Claim the high ground all you wish but in the end you cannot trust a Caldari. |
Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
454
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Posted - 2014.02.25 19:06:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Its because the Gallente are using the Minnies like puppets, pulling their strings to their own advantage
Slavery under another name really, the Minnies should just revolt again
The Minmater are our closest allies. About a quarter of their population lives within our space fleeing the slavery from the Amarr. Their Republic is a prime example of what a state can become. We will continue to aid them and ensure the Amarr can never again attempt such a conquest. |
Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
454
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Posted - 2014.02.25 19:09:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:Simple answer we have a **** load of money we loned to the caldri Also the Amarr have arguably the most powerful military in New Eden. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't their entire Fleet (like hundreds/thousands of ships strong) get whelped by a handful of Jovian ships?
The Battle of Vak'Atioth made the Rebellion easier as much of the Reclamation Fleet was wiped out by the Jovian motherships. That battle happened around the same time as the Gallente-Caldari War. |
Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.25 19:23:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:You know what interests me also.... What the hell is going on back in Sol and back on Earth while all of these millennia have passed!?
Is there anything in CCP lore that talks about the original Humans? I know that they wanted to expand because they were using up resources but one would assume they pulled through. That is another cool tangent to explore.
Jove/Sleeper, Talocan, Yan Jung and the Takmahl and then add in Enheduanni (the human faction even the Jove fear) and then times that all by a thousand. Terran technology had no reset like many of the races of New Eden. The four ancient ones plus the Enheduanni had almost no lapse in technology. |
Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
455
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Posted - 2014.02.25 19:25:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ah this is a common misconception.
The Amarr deployed 200 ships against the Jove at Vak Atioth, less than 25% of their military might. Similarly less than a quarter of their fleet based might was deployed by Empress Sarum against the Elder Fleet which was decimated.
Of that I do not dispute, but the fleet they lost was the Reclamation fleet not their full military might which at the time still surpassed the Gallente. |
Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.25 19:32:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:What you are saying amounts to "Sure we violated his freedoms in blatant contradiction to the ethos we spout but its ok because we let him go in the end"
Also implying that the same would happen in the state is laughable, if several Gallente cant handle a single Minnie how would a single G handle several Caldari without being torn to shreds
In the Federation at least he got that trial. And in the end cooler heads and the right ones prevailed. Sometimes there are abuses we are all after all Human. Yet we must continually strive to work on our Democratic Republic least we become like the Amarr or Caldari were the youth wouldn't have even been given a trial. |
Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.25 23:18:00 -
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I do so greatly enjoy this impassioned in character (kinda) discussions! Why I stick around and play is mostly for the lore/fluff experience not so much gameplay anymore |
Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
462
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:34:00 -
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So the Shiigeru in orbit over Caldari Prime threatening to kill all of the Gallente still on the world is okay? That is twice now the Caldari threatened to kill millions of innocent lives. The Shiigeru had to be taken out to get the Gallente off world.
We were brothers and sisters for a long time. The Caldari were instrumental in helping to forge the Federation. Yet various aspects of each group wanted to ensure war was the only option. The attack on Nouvelle Rouvenor was just the beginning. It allowed a right wing government to take over that authorized the deployment of the Gallente Military. Tovil-Toba didn't help matters when he rammed the carrier into a city of 2 million people. Even before the war officially started 2,500,000 Gallente were dead. |
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Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:43:00 -
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I said instrumental, as in having great important, not they they were an instrument. If you're going to quote me do so the right way and not in an edited way like your state media does please? |
Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
464
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Posted - 2014.02.26 03:40:00 -
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A society must exist with laws and guidelines. History as shown and still shows in the Amarr and Caldari states what happens when human aggression is allowed to run rampantly unchecked. Slavery of entire cultures. We knew what would happen the those Caldari not blessed to have parents in the highest positions to go to the right schools to make the right connections. You do not have a true meritocracy. Your elite wanted their own power to dictate to those beneath without elections or voices of their own. So before you call the kettle black look at your own pot. |
Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
464
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Posted - 2014.02.26 03:50:00 -
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And do you not think it odd that Admiral Yanala did not get revived? She act to preserve lives and yet Heth wanted more violence. A madman. When threats are made against the Gallente people we have no choice but to act. All it does is create a senseless cycle of violence. |
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