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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2014.02.25 19:21:00 -
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Why are the Minmatar allied with the Gallente?
Well.
Where did the Elder Fleet come from? The Federation paid for it.
The Gallenteans also offered a great deal of support for the Rebellion, which directly led to 2/3rds of the Minmatar population being freed. Would you be so quick to forget that level of support for your own people?
Oh, you just want another ally so the Federation stops trashing all your ground forces. Well, carry on then. It's not going to happen.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.25 19:33:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:
Also implying that the same would happen in the state is laughable, if several Gallente cant handle a single Minnie how would a single G handle several Caldari without being torn to shreds
Judging by how utterly the Caldari are being dominated in the warzone at present, I should think the Caldari would be the ones torn to shreds.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:26:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Delta 749 wrote:
Also implying that the same would happen in the state is laughable, if several Gallente cant handle a single Minnie how would a single G handle several Caldari without being torn to shreds
Judging by how utterly the Caldari are being dominated in the warzone at present, I should think the Caldari would be the ones torn to shreds. And who took back Caldari Prime even with the deck stacked against them
The Gallente?
Oh yes. Yes we did. We shot down your genocide machine even as it threatened to glass our people.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:31:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Delta 749 wrote:
Also implying that the same would happen in the state is laughable, if several Gallente cant handle a single Minnie how would a single G handle several Caldari without being torn to shreds
Judging by how utterly the Caldari are being dominated in the warzone at present, I should think the Caldari would be the ones torn to shreds. That's because all of these mercs keep fighting for the easy mode factions. Humm maybe I should start a Caldari Loyalist channel and start fighting for the Caldari proper and stop being a back bencher. The problem is I am an all rounder. I want and like all of the tech available. I was the same way in eve. Archon and Thanatos really outshine the Caldari Chimera. Same goes for all of the Cap ships unfortunately. Don't worry guys, shield has been UP in EVE for as long as I have known about CCP. (At least in eve on the capital side for sure)
There's already a Caldari loyalist channel.
As it happens, why do you think the Gallente/Minmatar are 'easy mode'? It's not because everyone fight for them, it's because everyone started fighting for them after they gained more momentum and initially crushed the Caldari resistance.
There were good fights on day one FW. After that, you just gave up. Probably because of people like you, who complain on the forums instead of fighting for your factions.
As for shield being UP in EVE, I find it hilarious that you bring this up. Perhaps it is, on the capital level - very much due to the effect of slave vs crystal sets. In the sub-cap zone, shields are generally better. Indeed, CCP have been buffing armour lately to address that.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:37:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Delta 749 wrote:
Also implying that the same would happen in the state is laughable, if several Gallente cant handle a single Minnie how would a single G handle several Caldari without being torn to shreds
Judging by how utterly the Caldari are being dominated in the warzone at present, I should think the Caldari would be the ones torn to shreds. And who took back Caldari Prime even with the deck stacked against them The Gallente? Oh yes. Yes we did. We shot down your genocide machine even as it threatened to glass our people. A major victory to the Federation...but the loss of the planet itself and acceptance of Mens Rappola's demilitarised zone proposal was more a win for the Caldari people that you know or could understand. They reclaimed the power to stand on their homeworld, even if under Federal/State sanctions.
Perhaps it was a win for us in terms of demilitarising the planet as well? Although I doubt that peace will last there for long, it was not the Federation which provoked the recent round of hostilities. Had Tibus Heth not insisted on charging his fleets through the cluster to glass billions of innocents and a number of worlds, Caldari Prime would have been quite peaceful.
Personally, I'm quite happy to see hostilities on the planet fading, even if the threats of the Caldari and the faces of our dead are forever etched into my memory.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:42:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Delta 749 wrote:
Also implying that the same would happen in the state is laughable, if several Gallente cant handle a single Minnie how would a single G handle several Caldari without being torn to shreds
Judging by how utterly the Caldari are being dominated in the warzone at present, I should think the Caldari would be the ones torn to shreds. That's because all of these mercs keep fighting for the easy mode factions. Humm maybe I should start a Caldari Loyalist channel and start fighting for the Caldari proper and stop being a back bencher. The problem is I am an all rounder. I want and like all of the tech available. I was the same way in eve. Archon and Thanatos really outshine the Caldari Chimera. Same goes for all of the Cap ships unfortunately. Don't worry guys, shield has been UP in EVE for as long as I have known about CCP. (At least in eve on the capital side for sure) There's already a Caldari loyalist channel. As it happens, why do you think the Gallente/Minmatar are 'easy mode'? It's not because everyone fight for them, it's because everyone started fighting for them after they gained more momentum and initially crushed the Caldari resistance. There were good fights on day one FW. After that, you just gave up. Probably because of people like you, who complain on the forums instead of fighting for your factions. As for shield being UP in EVE, I find it hilarious that you bring this up. Perhaps it is, on the capital level - very much due to the effect of slave vs crystal sets. In the sub-cap zone, shields are generally better. Indeed, CCP have been buffing armour lately to address that. I don't and wont put much stock in Dust's FW system...it doesn't work well. Space side is all that matters. And surprisingly both Amarr and Cal have recently been winning despite issues with Dust's meddling.
If we're going to start complaining about FW systems, EVE's side has its fair share of problems as well. I'm actually quite happy sitting at T1 because I have such a massive LP stockpile from the higher tiers that I can cash in tens of billions of ISK at the current prices.
Although I would point out that it was the Gallente who last attained complete warzone control. The Caldari have yet to demonstrate the fleet organisation and strength that the JTF displayed in their relentless crushing of the final Caldari systems.
As for now, why bother attempting to take more space? We hold our strongholds quite happily, and there's no need for anything else.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:45:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Actually I fight for Minmatar myself more. I have never been into the whole RP thing until recently (If you can call it rp lol) To be honest waiting 5, 10 , 20 + mins to get into a battle put me off FW all together. So in some ways I am to blame but blame the system first. As for EVE do you play eve? Damn right shields are better for sub caps (Well that is debateable). I personally loved small gang warfare in EVE. I actually ran a lot of Minmatar ships in eve too, even though I think my guy was at the 70+m sp mark when I left to start playing DUST. In the capital arena, yes it has always been about armour tanking for one reason or another. I loved tech 3 ships though in the sub cap arena. Tengus, and Lokis being my favourite. EDIT - Though once you experience the power of the Macharial, there really is no turning back! 
Fair enough, really.
Dust's FW system is pretty horrible. I brought it up only for RP purposes, tbh.
I barely play FW anymore. There's no point.
As for EVE, I do play EVE! I'm quite happy with shields being generally better in EVE atm except for in a few cases, because armour tankers often still have their role and to me that's the most critical thing.
T3s are so awesome. I adore them, I really do. Expensive luxuries, but what fine luxuries they are!
Machariels are pretty frightening, but I prefer my Vindicator. There's nothing quite like lone wolfing a gang in one of those monstrosities.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:55:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I'm not wholly familiar with your warzone....but I heard the Cal were pulling their **** together.
Amarr/Min Side its more or less been a back and forth for the last few months. Though the Amarr just came down from a reign of power
There's not really been any real fighting for a while. Most of the conflict is driven by alt plexers now.
Gallente stronghold systems are in an entirely stable state. Indeed, Nisuwa is at T5 and I can't recall seeing it much less than that for months.
I'd like to see activity increase a bit, but there's not a massive amount happening right now it seems.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.25 21:01:00 -
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Actually, looking at statistics...
Gallente forces have killed the most recently, in terms of ISK and in number of kills.
We also have significantly fewer pilots than the Caldari - we have 5,500 vs their 8,000.
Gallente forces have also generated the most Victory Points. 
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.25 21:03:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Amarr fights are getting better.
Today I lonewolfed 2 matches:
First was a stomp, we had one organized squad and held all four objectives.
Second was sooooo close
We got cloned when it was tick-for-tick on MCCs and 2 objectives for 2 objectives.
I imagine that MinFW has gotten lazy.
I've fought a handful of them with FA squads. We won every match with a full squad, including one vs three squads on the other team - every player on the other team was squadded up with corpmates.
The forces aren't actually that strong, it's just that not enough people are opposing them.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.25 21:43:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:
Gallente believe in total freedom.
Amarr believe that slavery helps people along the spiritual path.
Gallente naturally dislike Amarr.
Caldari dislike Gallente.
Makes sense Caldari ally themselves with Amarr. Enemy of my enemy is my friend.
The Caldari are probably on better terms with the Mins them you would think. Just the politics of alliances make it assumed that mins don't like Caldari, even though their likely neutral at the center.
What is QUITE wierd, if galenteans believe in TOTAL freedom, why they tried to TAKE US OUR BELIVES and DESECREATED OUR MONUMENTS?! No BROTHERS and SISTERS, there is NOTHING like that in their EYES. Only what THEY see is OUR MERCHANDISE. Only what THEY NEED is POMPOUS and LUXURY. THERE were NEVER freedom, just THEY need for MORE. NOTHING else, they just USING others for THEIR needs.
Allow me to interrupt your rant with some logic.
It began with laws that affected everyone, ethnic Gallenteans as well. A few laws on trading and colonisation. Nothing major, nothing restricting your beliefs, ideologies, or even militaries.
The Caldari decided that they should be the exception to those laws. Not unfairly, the other member groups of the Gallente Federation objected.
The Caldari responded by razing an entire city in a brutal attack that left zero survivors, the largest loss of life this side of New Eden in such a short time since the Collapse.
We never imposed ourselves on your beliefs. We never struck first.
Every time we have gone to war, the first people murdered were murdered by the Caldari.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.25 21:57:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:We just ended it.
Repeatedly.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.25 22:28:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:lol, I find this thread to be a silly Caldari stunt to continue to try and make the Federation look bad, even though they started it. We just ended it. We just exercised our right to secede after you went batshit because we made frontier defenses and frontier militias. Then you went bat **** about our secession, and started a war to bring us back under your green flag. In the end, you kinda lost because we are still a sovereign state. We both just decided that thousands of lives were enough, and quit fighting.
We started a war?
The very first lives lost were when you razed an entire city!
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.25 22:55:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:lol, I find this thread to be a silly Caldari stunt to continue to try and make the Federation look bad, even though they started it. We just ended it. Man I just made this thread to think out loud basically. I had no idea people were so passionate on this subject. Like I said, I am not really a true Caldari. I have always been a "jack of all trades". And to Adamance, why is it funny if I asked Arkena Wyrnspire if he/she plays eve? Should I know of his eve character? @ Arkena Wyrnspire - What do you do in eve? Are you part of any of the major alliances or something? (I am certainly not the most clued up person when it comes to all of this I will freely admit, I do however find it all very fascinating) He does, I do...you probably don't know him.....but I think he is a couple of years ahead of me SP wise....... Either way to the best of my knowledge Arkena has been reasonably big in GAL FW.
Not anymore. Regrettably, my corporation is dying now. It's time to move on, but I'm so very reluctant to leave for the last time... 
@CommanderBolt - I play Gallente FW. Much of my time is also spent doing exploration - wormholes are something that I might well move onto shortly.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.25 22:58:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote: Never did any of the FW in EVE.
It's improved vastly since the original implementation. Inferno and subsequent reiterations were very good for it.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.25 23:12:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:CommanderBolt wrote: Never did any of the FW in EVE. It's improved vastly since the original implementation. Inferno and subsequent reiterations were very good for it. Cool man. The thing that always worried me about FW was a loss of standings and having to dodge Navy and customs officers. Is that part still applicable? (I could never lose access to the beloved Jita 4-4. Alts dont count) I've been thinking about resubbing to eve again. It has been a long time indeed. The whole concept of New Eden has never really left me. Is there any sort of DUST community of EVE players? It would be cool to help out with orbitals and the like.
You do... kind of lose access to half of hisec. The opposing factions will attempt to intercept you with their navy, and players from the opposing militias can freely attack you in that hisec.
It's not particularly effective though. I've visited Jita several times recently, even picked up a Snake set.
Standings haven't really bothered me, and I've managed to repair mine through the odd mission.
There's a bit of a community for orbital strike duties in FW - some people take a lot of interest in it. Some are just there for the pay, but others are genuinely interested in the mechanic and it's great to see. Depending on what faction, there are a number of different channels used for OB support. You now get killmails for doing it (which can be amusing for bragging rights - I have one of a fully militia fit heavy with a Thale's) and a decent sum of LP which you can convert into ISK indirectly through LP stores.
If you want to give EVE a try again, shoot me a mail - the character I use for these things is 'Arkenai Wyrnspire'. I may even help you out a bit and do things with you if I decide to leave Gal FW.
EDIT: I'm genuinely curious as to why you believe it was the Gallente who started the war. Was it not the Caldari who struck first?
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.25 23:17:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:lol, I find this thread to be a silly Caldari stunt to continue to try and make the Federation look bad, even though they started it. We just ended it. We just exercised our right to secede after you went batshit because we made frontier defenses and frontier militias. Then you went bat **** about our secession, and started a war to bring us back under your green flag. In the end, you kinda lost because we are still a sovereign state. We both just decided that thousands of lives were enough, and quit fighting. We started a war? The very first lives lost were when you razed an entire city! Quit fighting? Why are you still throwing ship after ship at us? Committing titans, supercarriers, capital fleets, dreadnoughts? Terrorists blew up your underwater town, not Caldari Warships. Your line of thinking would be like "9/11 was caused by Iraqis. NUKE IRAQ." And, You attacked Caldari Prime first. Was it your planet to police? No. But you decided to rally the troops, feed the horses, we're charging! And we retaliated for your troops "Unexpected" Arrival on our home planet. If The Caldari Plopped Battalions of Peacekeepers on Gallente Prime, would you not rally the troops for a counteratack?
Oh, I see, of course. 'Terrorists'. I suppose an entire city dying is alright then.
Was it our planet to police? Perhaps not. Was Nouvelle Rouvenor yours to butcher? No.
If we had razed an entire city over a trading dispute, would you just let it go?
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.25 23:19:00 -
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Martyr Saboteur wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:lol, I find this thread to be a silly Caldari stunt to continue to try and make the Federation look bad, even though they started it. We just ended it. What exactly did they start? The Federation began annexing their colonies, and a Caldari splinter group attacked the Federation... So, the Federation responded by orbitally bombarding their home planet. The Federation makes itself look bad, it doesn't need any help. What exactly did the Federation expect from a proud people such as the Caldari when they began oppressing them?! Compliance?
The Federation never 'annexed' colonies. They asked, and rightly so, why the Caldari were breaking existing agreements and mobilising forces in secret.
The Caldari responded by razing a city and killing every man, woman and child in it.
Clearly, we should just let that slide.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.26 07:03:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Funny thing about that event was that the Admiral Yanala did everything in her power to protect the planet from the collateral damage her Shiigeru would do from crashing into it. Even going so far as to not use her titan's doomsday weapons to defend her vessal in fear of damaging the planet.
The Gallente? They destroyed the titan and celebrated their victory. Even though they indirectly killed many civilians, both Caldari and Gallente, by forcing the Shiiguru to crash into Caldari Prime.
Perhaps we celebrated our victory because your idiocy in putting a titan in low orbit was quite a bit better than letting it glass every inhabited planet in system?
Godin Thekiller wrote:Fraceska wrote:So the Shiigeru in orbit over Caldari Prime threatening to kill all of the Gallente still on the world is okay? That is twice now the Caldari threatened to kill millions of innocent lives. The Shiigeru had to be taken out to get the Gallente off world.
We were brothers and sisters for a long time. The Caldari were instrumental in helping to forge the Federation. Yet various aspects of each group wanted to ensure war was the only option. The attack on Nouvelle Rouvenor was just the beginning. It allowed a right wing government to take over that authorized the deployment of the Gallente Military. Tovil-Toba didn't help matters when he rammed the carrier into a city of 2 million people. Even before the war officially started 2,500,000 Gallente were dead. Actually he didn't ram jack **** into anything. He was killed by the broker and the broker (who was asked by Heath, your former leader) did it.
You are referring to the Malkalen incident, not Hueromont.
Besides which, that isn't knowledge that many past Ishukone's inner circle are likely to know.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.26 20:27:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Perhaps we celebrated our victory because your idiocy in putting a titan in low orbit was quite a bit better than letting it glass every inhabited planet in system? the titan was placed as a deterrent to prevent Gallente from invading Caldari Prime again. In the event that Gallente did invade again, the titan was to fire and kill the Gallente inhabitants on the planet; in effect they were hostages. The comedy is that the Gallente destroyed the titan to save the Gallente hostages but instead ended up killing the very people they were trying to save.
Heth threatened to glass every planet in Luminaire, not just Arcurio and the other Gallente districts on Caldari Prime.
The casualties from the titan crashing were a hell of a lot less than if we'd just let you glass the place.
The titan was not only a protection for Caldari Prime, but also for the border systems. Had Visera Yanala decided to go through with Heth's orders to begin murdering civilians, it would have sparked a series of conflicts across Caldari/Gallente space.
I'm quite glad that the Federation Navy chose not to invade the weakened state after it lost so many capitals at Luminaire. Not only did it put us above Heth's insanities, it prevented a larger scale conflict from breaking out. At least one side has the sanity to not provoke mass killings.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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