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low genius wrote:

Buster Friently wrote:

low genius wrote:

Buster Friently wrote:

low genius wrote:

so, as far as a 'player rating system' goes... here are my thoughts.

(lifetime warpoints / lifetime skillpoints) * KDR = player rating.

mine is 0.1116

tell me yours!

and tell me how good your are, and how much you play, and stuff like that so i can mull over it.

Player Rating: Play with a candidate. Rate them based on that.

KDR means nothing.

that's kind of why the kdr is a multiplier of a very small number. KDR doesn't count for nothing, just in that kills are lucrative on the warpoint front.

Actually by multiplying, you're making KDR supremely important, especially considering that KDR varies from near zero to something over 1, making the curve mostly dependent on KDR. So, while WP/SP is unlikely to ever go over 1, KDR varies by orders of magnitude.

Besides that, you'd be better off leaving KDR out altogether considering it really is meaningless. Now, of course you really just have a measure of how often someone plays. So, you're equation breaks down to:

time density of play * meaningless coefficient.

This is why I suggest actually teaming up with someone to evaluate how good they are.

I wasn't trying to offend you by using the kdr. i'm not sure it's something you need to be overly concerned about. the kdr statistic in dust 514 is broken, as it doesn't represent kills, just casualties. that still doesn't make it unimportant in a first person shooter.
this equation specifically renders a number that is basically (grind * KDR) if the amount you grind dust 514 is represented by your warpoints divided by your skillpoints. it does not represent the 'quality' of the player in any way. only how dedicated a player has been to dust 514 since they started their character. if you took a month off, your number went down. simple as that.

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low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1288	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:04:00 - [1] - Quote so, as far as a 'player rating system' goes... here are my thoughts. (lifetime warpoints / lifetime skillpoints) * KDR = player rating. mine is 0.1116 tell me yours! and tell me how good your are, and how much you play, and stuff like that so i can mull over it.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 943	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:13:00 - [2] - Quote 5.82428 Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1289	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:17:00 - [3] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: 5.82428 player! can i get your numbers?
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 943	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:23:00 - [4] - Quote low genius wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: 5.82428 player! can i get your numbers? nah i was jkGÇª.my lifetime kdr is .75, but my kdr for the past month is 2.4something, so ill go with that (the trick is using shotguns after running nova knives as your only weapon for 3 months-it makes you good) BTW i only use STD and ADV gear at the most I have under 7 mil sp (like 6.7 i think) i have close to 500k wp 2.4(500k/6700k)=2.4(1/6)=2.4/6=.1791 Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3289	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:24:00 - [5] - Quote If only my PS3 weren't freezing on me, then I could check and see my total WPs. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1299	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:44:00 - [6] - Quote .052 ish, going from memory and rounding a bit. "Dude, where's my skill?"
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1289	Posted - 2014.02.25 07:26:00 - [7] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: .052 ish, going from memory and rounding a bit. "Dude, where's my skill?" awesome, thanks :)
TheDarthMa94 The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 117	Posted - 2014.02.25 07:36:00 - [8] - Quote 22 million lifetime skillpoints Over 10000 kills Over 1 million war points Lifetime KDR 2.1 So i guess thats it.... Sith Apprentice and Director of NAO "What skills? Its the connection bro!"
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1289	Posted - 2014.02.25 09:01:00 - [9] - Quote TheDarthMa94 wrote: 22 million lifetime skillpoints Over 10000 kills Over 1 million war points Lifetime KDR 2.1 So i guess thats it.... 0.09545
Rogue Saint Science For Death 955	Posted - 2014.02.25 09:39:00 - [10] - Quote (lifetime warpoints / lifetime skillpoints) * KDR = player rating. Main: (1813643 / 27326519) * 1.81 = 0.12 Alt1: (1588209 / 18503922) * 1.78 = 0.15 Alt2: (1348585 / 1901766) * 1.57 = 0.11 GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦ - Causes headaches, it's official +1 for Infantry Skills Refund in 1.8 or I win DUST514

excillon Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 252	Posted - 2014.02.25 10:15:00 - [11] - Quote I approve of this.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2056	Posted - 2014.02.25 10:43:00 - [12] - Quote low genius wrote: so, as far as a 'player rating system' goes... here are my thoughts. (lifetime warpoints / lifetime skillpoints) * KDR = player rating. mine is 0.1116 tell me yours! and tell me how good your are, and how much you play, and stuff like that so i can mull over it. 0.0578 Played for 10months now, 500,000 WP , 10mil SP, 1.00 KDR Not a bad player, but usually play in Frontline suits, lone wolf almost all the time. On maybe 3-4 times a week, when Im not busy. Combat Engineer in training. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1824	Posted - 2014.02.25 12:04:00 - [13] - Quote 0.25061 I was a dedicated Ion Maddy pilot up until 1.6. Since then my infantry has dragged my KD/R down a bunch, which wasn't too high in the first place considering the soul destroying ISK grind I had to endure. Trying to get gud, but it's taking a while. I don't have a blaster fitting at the moment. Forge on for great justice! Defend the meek! Destroy the weak! Q-sync breaches into the rectum of everyone else!
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 861	Posted - 2014.02.25 15:47:00 - [14] - Quote .65ish for me: 6mil WP 31.3 mil SP 3.42 KDR
Knight Solitaire Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 344	Posted - 2014.02.25 15:59:00 - [15] - Quote 0.46 2.7mil WP 24.5mil SP 4.11 KD Corporation: Fatal Absolution Alliance: General Tso's Alliance
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11567	Posted - 2014.02.25 16:19:00 - [16] - Quote 0.21 2,006,385 WP 25,586,853 SP 2.74 KD Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 169	Posted - 2014.02.25 16:28:00 - [17] - Quote low genius wrote: so, as far as a 'player rating system' goes... here are my thoughts. (lifetime warpoints / lifetime skillpoints) * KDR = player rating. mine is 0.1116 tell me yours! and tell me how good your are, and how much you play, and stuff like that so i can mull over it. after you get a decent range up you should post #'s for good/ decent / **** player or have it rated like a gradeing scale (ie. A,B,C,D,F ) ill add my #'s when i get home Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for, welcome to New Eden -ill b there SoonGäó KAMEHAMEHA TANK KILLA
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 517	Posted - 2014.02.25 16:39:00 - [18] - Quote Roughly .206 Estimated/rounded 700,000WP Estimated/rounded 14,000,000SP 4.12 KDR I wouldn't call myself good. Majority of my time has been spent as a sniper. Then I moved into a defensive ninja scout role and now like to play as a heavy node defender and scanning Soma tanker. Life is killing me.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7011	Posted - 2014.02.25 16:42:00 - [19] - Quote Eve and DUST should be used in algebra classes. These two games encourage a lot of math. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 744	Posted - 2014.02.25 16:51:00 - [20] - Quote 0.228 I run a variety of roles and spent months with a PLC attached to my shoulder Along with a foolish desire to combat HAV's and stomp squads, I don't think thats too bad 19.2 mil SP 2.8 mil WP 1.57 K/D Plasma Cannons works, any less drawbacks And I would have an atomic bomber on my shoulder

ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 304	Posted - 2014.02.25 16:58:00 - [21] - Quote Well, off hand: 2,150,000 Lifetime WP 34,500,000 Lifetime SP 2.47 Lifetime KDR Gives me a .15393 Note, these are estimations, slightly more WP and SP, and my KD is rounded by the Man (AKA CCP). I'm an adequate player I suppose. I can hold my own, but I've been running in smaller squads for the majority of my time (usually 3, now mainly 2) and attempt to use as little Proto as possible, even with me having a decent store house of stuff. Been getting stomped nicely by 9+ Red Star fighting for the Amarr in FW. Also fly dropships, so, that's helped bolster my KD since 1.6 hit and I had the points. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2850	Posted - 2014.02.25 17:20:00 - [22] - Quote 0.06082073 My favorite measure is 95.1511879 WP:K. That's basically an average of 100 WP for every kill. From a guy that's primarily a solo Heavy, that shows a little sidework getting done too. I GÖú Kittens.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 122	Posted - 2014.02.25 17:30:00 - [23] - Quote 0.250322563 Befuddled expression Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1302	Posted - 2014.02.26 04:15:00 - [24] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: 0.250322563 Befuddled expression that's a pretty good number, I would say
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1859	Posted - 2014.02.26 04:20:00 - [25] - Quote low genius wrote: so, as far as a 'player rating system' goes... here are my thoughts. (lifetime warpoints / lifetime skillpoints) * KDR = player rating. mine is 0.1116 tell me yours! and tell me how good your are, and how much you play, and stuff like that so i can mull over it. Player Rating: Play with a candidate. Rate them based on that. KDR means nothing.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1302	Posted - 2014.02.26 04:28:00 - [26] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: low genius wrote: so, as far as a 'player rating system' goes... here are my thoughts. (lifetime warpoints / lifetime skillpoints) * KDR = player rating. mine is 0.1116 tell me yours! and tell me how good your are, and how much you play, and stuff like that so i can mull over it. Player Rating: Play with a candidate. Rate them based on that. KDR means nothing. that's kind of why the kdr is a multiplier of a very small number. KDR doesn't count for nothing, just in that kills are lucrative on the warpoint front.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1859	Posted - 2014.02.26 04:35:00 - [27] - Quote low genius wrote: Buster Friently wrote: low genius wrote: so, as far as a 'player rating system' goes... here are my thoughts. (lifetime warpoints / lifetime skillpoints) * KDR = player rating. mine is 0.1116 tell me yours! and tell me how good your are, and how much you play, and stuff like that so i can mull over it. Player Rating: Play with a candidate. Rate them based on that. KDR means nothing. that's kind of why the kdr is a multiplier of a very small number. KDR doesn't count for nothing, just in that kills are lucrative on the warpoint front. Actually by multiplying, you're making KDR supremely important, especially considering that KDR varies from near zero to something over 1, making the curve mostly dependent on KDR. So, while WP/SP is unlikely to ever go much over 1, KDR varies by orders of magnitude.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1117	Posted - 2014.02.26 04:40:00 - [28] - Quote (1,295,759/14,911,863)* 1.77 = 0.1538032793 I run solo 99% of the time, my gun game isn't great but I'm the most victory minded blueberry you'll ever meet.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1304	Posted - 2014.02.26 04:53:00 - [29] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: low genius wrote: Buster Friently wrote: low genius wrote: so, as far as a 'player rating system' goes... here are my thoughts. (lifetime warpoints / lifetime skillpoints) * KDR = player rating. mine is 0.1116 tell me yours! and tell me how good your are, and how much you play, and stuff like that so i can mull over it. Player Rating: Play with a candidate. Rate them based on that. KDR means nothing. that's kind of why the kdr is a multiplier of a very small number. KDR doesn't count for nothing, just in that kills are lucrative on the warpoint front. Actually by multiplying, you're making KDR supremely important, especially considering that KDR varies from near zero to something over 1, making the curve mostly dependent on KDR. So, while WP/SP is unlikely to ever go over 1, KDR varies by orders of magnitude. Besides that, you'd be better off leaving KDR out altogether considering it really is meaningless. Now, of course you really just have a measure of how often someone plays. So, you're equation breaks down to: time density of play * meaningless coefficient. This is why I suggest actually teaming up with someone to evaluate how good they are. I wasn't trying to offend you by using the kdr. i'm not sure it's something you need to be overly concerned about. the kdr statistic in dust 514 is broken, as it doesn't represent kills, just casualties. that still doesn't make it unimportant in a first person shooter. this equation specifically renders a number that is basically (grind * KDR) if the amount you grind dust 514 is represented by your warpoints divided by your skillpoints. it does not represent the 'quality' of the player in any way. only how dedicated a player has been to dust 514 since they started their character. if you took a month off, your number went down. simple as that. i'll agree that the equation would probably be a better indication of 'quality' if you add one to your kdr. if your kdr is below 1, then the equation is harsh, but it only means that second decimal is where the spread from low to high starts. within this equation if your number is below 0.02 then you're probably very inactive, or very bad at video games. if your number is above 0.4 you're probably one of those guys who throws up 40 kill games on the regular.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1859	Posted - 2014.02.26 04:57:00 - [30] - Quote low genius wrote: Buster Friently wrote: low genius wrote: Buster Friently wrote: low genius wrote: so, as far as a 'player rating system' goes... here are my thoughts. (lifetime warpoints / lifetime skillpoints) * KDR = player rating. mine is 0.1116 tell me yours! and tell me how good your are, and how much you play, and stuff like that so i can mull over it. Player Rating: Play with a candidate. Rate them based on that. KDR means nothing. that's kind of why the kdr is a multiplier of a very small number. KDR doesn't count for nothing, just in that kills are lucrative on the warpoint front. Actually by multiplying, you're making KDR supremely important, especially considering that KDR varies from near zero to something over 1, making the curve mostly dependent on KDR. So, while WP/SP is unlikely to ever go over 1, KDR varies by orders of magnitude. Besides that, you'd be better off leaving KDR out altogether considering it really is meaningless. Now, of course you really just have a measure of how often someone plays. So, you're equation breaks down to: time density of play * meaningless coefficient. This is why I suggest actually teaming up with someone to evaluate how good they are. I wasn't trying to offend you by using the kdr. i'm not sure it's something you need to be overly concerned about. the kdr statistic in dust 514 is broken, as it doesn't represent kills, just casualties. that still doesn't make it unimportant in a first person shooter. this equation specifically renders a number that is basically (grind * KDR) if the amount you grind dust 514 is represented by your warpoints divided by your skillpoints. it does not represent the 'quality' of the player in any way. only how dedicated a player has been to dust 514 since they started their character. if you took a month off, your number went down. simple as that. You haven't offended me. KDR is not a measure of anything really. It only helps if you happen to play a very specific role, and even then, it can vary greatly depending on how you're filling out your squad. This is what makes it meaningless. If you want a variable to represent grind, this is WP as I mention in my (edited) post. Sorry, I probably edited it while you were posting, but dividing WP by SP makes no sense. Do you somehow lose excellence as you gain more SP or go on vacation? What WP/SP represents is not how much you've played, but how often you play. That's a pretty big distinction, and I would contend there are many good players that play less often than bad ones, so dividing by SP makes no sense. Do what you want, of course, but the equation has nothing to do with player quality.



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