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Death Shadow117 Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4	Posted - 2014.02.25 04:49:00 - [1] - Quote Wy do you do it ? Why do you use thales ? Why is ur kdr so low? Why do you get mad when i counter snipe ? Why use a heavy to snipe? Any Answers?
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5838	Posted - 2014.02.25 04:51:00 - [2] - Quote Because in New Eden, No Risk = All ISK, right? Never forget More tiericide, less tieriphiles.
Death Shadow117 Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4	Posted - 2014.02.25 04:53:00 - [3] - Quote Not when Im countersniping that = all risk no isk
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 62	Posted - 2014.02.25 05:15:00 - [4] - Quote Part of the problem is that your safe zone (green zone) isn't obvious all the time. The green zone should give zero WP. It also should be mapped out. But I suppose then it will be even harder to SMG a sniper to the back of the head, they will snipe from just outside the safe area and duck back in case of danger. Once you leave your safe/green zone it should turn red to you too.
ShinyJay Special Assault Recon 164	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:22:00 - [5] - Quote it could also be that snipers don't either have the damage to kill or the map won't allow a sniper to snipe with some ease to do it's job properly. mostly cause people complain about getting shot by a good sniper (not redline snipers) The bunneh minnie scout sniper, hopping along and leaving blood trails
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 1958	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:38:00 - [6] - Quote I do it because sometimes enemy teams take high ground locations. when this is done a constant accurate sniper will remove them from that location or at the very least make it highly expensive to attempt to hold. any time i'm sniping that isn't this case is because it's an effective ground sniping tactic, or i'm bored and want a change of pace from the usual grind.
ballistic surgeon Lost Millennium Canis Eliminatus Operatives 15	Posted - 2014.02.25 07:15:00 - [7] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Wy do you do it ? Why do you use thales ? Why is ur kdr so low? Why do you get mad when i counter snipe ? Why use a heavy to snipe? Any Answers? Because the sniper from saving private ryan made it look kool, I even quote bible scriptures while trying to snipe reds. I only break out my thales when I see a red use it in the kill feed, and when I do use it I mostly spend the rest of the game trying to find the thales sniper, other than that I use a kaal. Tell ur team to keep still and it wont be. I dont get mad, its just isk. I dont use a heavy to snipe. I perfer mobility over HP.
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 47	Posted - 2014.02.25 07:22:00 - [8] - Quote I use a proto min logi, have pro 5 sniper, 3 complex damage, 1 complex shield, 3 complex armor, 1 complex damp. sometimes when i'm in the city getting my logi on i see someone get "thaled" right in front of me and i usually bust up laughing. i'm trying to recreate the same experience for mercs when i break out my thales. i'm just trying to make the game fun for people, so sue me.
Zack3000 Smith Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 16	Posted - 2014.02.25 08:01:00 - [9] - Quote I killed my team mate in FW because he was red line sniping. pretty funny. waited till the very last moment in the game to kill him. he tried to fight back but only had a flaylock pistol. the only reason i did was because we was losing he was not giving our squad no intel. just sitting back there with his little proto suit on. Honestly i would not have done it if he was at the enemy redline. We need a redline. but snipers need to know when its time to join the rest of the squad on the front line. They need to earn there keep. 5 kills does not help the team. It doesnt even give them that much in either ISK, WP, SP, LP. i understand mixing it up. but when they are still in the same area where they spawned in at the beginning of the match is a waste. i would much rather a person run straight to the enemy then have someone not giving atleast intel on which side the enemy is on.
excillon Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 252	Posted - 2014.02.25 10:11:00 - [10] - Quote Hey shadow. One alliance mate to another, as a sniper, I'll explain: For one, I would LOVE to see the redline removed, or reduced significantly. By reduced I mean instead of making it surround a map, make it linear to limit the snipers field of vision. So I do not condone redline sniping. Am I guilty of it? On occasion (outside of being pushed back). So here's why, point by point: 1. With the 1.7 tank spam, and railgun tanks being as OP as they are, it's just not safe to enter the playing field with a sniper rifle. When it's my Covenant rifle, I don't care. But I'm not running into the field with a charge rifle the way I would before. Hell, even the redline isn't safe from them anymore. Worse yet, they don't even have to hit you half the time, just in your general direction. 2. The current heavy event. If I snipe, no way will I stand up to heavy in the map. Especially those douchebags running heavy fits with RR's. As for Thale usage, I don't condone using thales in pubs (as it's arguably the most OP weapon in the game), but I have been using them during this event on occasion because it's the only real way to bring down all these heavies. Using a charge (my weapon of choice) There's simply not enough time to build up a second and third shot to finish them off, even with damage mods. With so many heavies out there now, it's almost impossible to kill them. So the thale (not figuring in Dam mods or headshot) is 1545 per clip damage. While the charge is more at full power (just south of 2000), the time makes it not practical. Kali's and Ishukone's just don't cut it, as it's 80HP less damage per shot. 3. Most of my kills are countersniping. No problems there, it's part of the game and a viable trade. Other than that, I use the redline in the beginning of the match to scout what the enemies doing with the scope and reporting activity. I love sniping from doorways and ledges in game on the ground. Again though, given 1.7's state, I'm only doing that in BPO gear. How to fix it: 1. Fix tank spam and railgun tanks or make AV extremely viable again. 2. The heavy event will end, so that's just a matter of waiting. 3. Nerf the Thale, or make them more available so people won't be afraid to lose them and hide in the redline. To balance it, raise the requirements to use them. I think prof. 5 and at least opt. 2 should be a requirement for any officer weapons being used personally. 4. Make the maps better. Every map is rocky terrain surrounding an installation of some sort. Give snipers better places in the map to shoot, but still make it so they can be killed if not careful. Think about it. Other than the redline, the only real viable alternative is up high. Maps need to be more diverse. I'm not saying I do it a lot, or even a quarter of the time. However, I know that by doing it I'm not helping. I'm not saying it's right, but it's just one small part of a bigger problem in this game we all know about: Balance and making EVERY class viable. BTW, I laugh at heavy snipers. Sooooo stupid. Can't move for cover as well, and it just screams noob. I say that because my Caldari ck.0 Thale fit is tanked to almost 1100 HP between shields and armor, and I have a rep and damage mod on it. So in my eyes, there's really no need for it. I can survive pretty much any sniper that takes a shot at me, and I retain more mobility. I've never lost a Thale to prove it, I still have 18 of them. I've had some snipers take a big chunk out of me, but never finished me off in that suit. I've been lucky I guess that I haven't been done in by a railgun tank or forge gun.

pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1583	Posted - 2014.02.25 10:32:00 - [11] - Quote I dont often redline snipe. But when I do I use a dammage modded 80 gj particle cannon Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. Why bother running you'll only die tired.
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 67	Posted - 2014.02.25 11:10:00 - [12] - Quote redlining is a legitimate strategy. you arent even really as invincible as everyone seems to believe because all the redline sniper spots are well known. that makes it more risky and gives a higher chance for you to be counter-sniped. so there actually is high risk in it. i dont often redline because the positions are soo obvious. and if they place nanohives, well, it screams noob becuase they gave away their position. its really not a good idea to camp as a sniper, so redlining isnt all that great. but it still is a strategy. and, as a sniper, i dont run heavy or tank hp. i actually prefer stealth. i get this with either a scout gk.0 or an assault gk.0 if i feel the need for more defense than hp. but both are fitted with 3 dampeners and 1 armor repairer. Assault Gk.0 Gallente Federation Patriot General of the Gallente Marine Corps. Look us up if you want to join.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 170	Posted - 2014.02.25 11:20:00 - [13] - Quote Sometimes, I'll go RL sniping if I'm bored. I don't get many kills like that though. The best sniper spot is usually right under the enemy MCC. Nobody thinks to look there. Mostly, I think snipers stay in the redline because they're sick of one sided battles, and are doing their own thing, and don't even care who ultimately wins. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 169	Posted - 2014.02.25 11:23:00 - [14] - Quote why should a sniper be out in the open where you can kill him when he hs the longest ranged rifle? whats the point of 600m range when you wnat to kill him at 100 and below with your own rifle? not a sniper if he aint useing his range advantage. just becuse underpowered sniper killed oyu dosnt mean you should QQ. he killed you from a resoanbly safe distance and had all the advantages to do so. so he used them and you got unlucky and was killed by him.
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 170	Posted - 2014.02.25 11:27:00 - [15] - Quote And why the Hell can't my sniper alt get a Thale's ? My heavy alt has a dozen of the damn things and can't use them. WTF? DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 511	Posted - 2014.02.25 12:17:00 - [16] - Quote I love it! Proto snipers looking down their nose at heavy snipers and heavies with RRs. Oh, the irony!
Yeeeuuuupppp KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 122	Posted - 2014.02.25 12:19:00 - [17] - Quote Cause I don't feel like running and gunning. I use a thales cause I can. Using heavy suit proves you're too scared to lose it, but what happens with no ammo? You're ****** I the a again like you would have been by the proto stompers.. Why is the kdr so low? Cause WHO CARES ABOUT KDR, only you COD players actually care about your ratio like it actually matters.. You don't get a metal, you don't get recognition unless you're in like the top 100, why bother? My Minnie is friendly.. don't worry, I don't bite. I slash. Novice incubus pilot. Feel the wrath of my troll.
Frank Olson Usul DUST University Ivy League 69	Posted - 2014.02.25 12:45:00 - [18] - Quote Simple solution I tested and enjoy very deeply: Proto Gallente Scout 3 x Kinetic Catalyzers 1 x Range amplifier 200 Meter Proto Scanner Shotgun. If I suspect a thales I even run back to guys that are so far back that I know that I will die in my proto suit. I need those buckets of tears ;D
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1813	Posted - 2014.02.25 12:46:00 - [19] - Quote Wy do you do it ? ----- Why wouldn'tthey? Outfield play is marred by instakill weapons and scanners. Why do you use thales? --------- Because its the best sniper rifle.... Why do people use kaaly RR's? Why is ur kdr so low? Mine wasn't until I got some crazy idea to learn how to play a scout. Why do you get mad when i counter snipe ? Never happened...never Why use a heavy to snipe? Because they are bitches, last night I was in a match and saw Thales TAR-07 on kill feed, got my kaalikiota tac out and went hunting, 600 shield 900+ armor on the Thales guy, !st 3 shots hurt him, he tried run his fat ass down the hill to supply depot, he lost his thales. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1323	Posted - 2014.02.25 13:15:00 - [20] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Wy do you do it ? Why do you use thales ? Why is ur kdr so low? Why do you get mad when i counter snipe ? Why use a heavy to snipe? Any Answers? BecauseGÇª game. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!

calvin b Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1563	Posted - 2014.02.25 13:46:00 - [21] - Quote Poor map design. Have you tried to snipe on certain maps? The best spots are in the red line. A good sniper will use his/her environment to their advantage. If their was better spots I would use them, but when an enemy team has camped on top of a building and the only way to snipe them off is in the red line or adjacent building I am going to use what gives me the highest chance of survival to make sure I am effective at removing them from their spot. We need building with window openings so we can hide in buildings and rain fire down from above. A heavy before 1.8
PADDEHATPIGEN BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 137	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:13:00 - [22] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Wy do you do it ? Why do you use thales ? Why is ur kdr so low? Why do you get mad when i counter snipe ? Why use a heavy to snipe? Any Answers? Why do we do it ? Sometimes my team gets redlined, sometimes it's just the best place to be for a sniper. (Blame the map) Why we use Thales ? That's simple, it's the ONLY sniper rifle you can count on, the rest of them are USELESS. Why kdr is so low ? Well that's when snipers don't use Thales, then they don't get any kills. Why get mad ? I have no idea, my guess is that some players just get mad when they loose. Why use a heavy suit ? We'll I don't, I always snipe in my assault suit, but I think they do it for the HP.
ZeroGeass POISION ROSES Galactic Skyfleet Empire 5	Posted - 2014.02.25 15:19:00 - [23] - Quote Simple, it because they're sniper and being in the redline is part of a job for sniper. It like real war, sniper would stay in the back (well real sniper gun have a limited range) but yea. Sniper are annoying but they're sniper. Nothing to do about it There no such thing as no such things
lrian Locust Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 359	Posted - 2014.02.25 16:07:00 - [24] - Quote Venerable Phage wrote: But I suppose then it will be even harder to SMG a sniper to the back of the head, they will snipe from just outside the safe area and duck back in case of danger. I doubt it. They're usually too busy glaring down their scope and never see it coming.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1562	Posted - 2014.02.25 16:08:00 - [25] - Quote I snipe when the map favors it and I can do a lot for my team with it. Snipers aren't the problem. The problem is bad map design, which puts the best sniper spots in the redline. Don't hate the sniper, hate the game. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 63	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:28:00 - [26] - Quote Zack3000 Smith wrote: I killed my team mate in FW because he was red line sniping. pretty funny. waited till the very last moment in the game to kill him. he tried to fight back but only had a flaylock pistol. the only reason i did was because we was losing he was not giving our squad no intel. just sitting back there with his little proto suit on. Honestly i would not have done it if he was at the enemy redline. We need a redline. but snipers need to know when its time to join the rest of the squad on the front line. They need to earn there keep. 5 kills does not help the team. It doesnt even give them that much in either ISK, WP, SP, LP. i understand mixing it up. but when they are still in the same area where they spawned in at the beginning of the match is a waste. i would much rather a person run straight to the enemy then have someone not giving atleast intel on which side the enemy is on. Because killing your teammates is super helpful, especially when "we was losing". If you despise the redline so much, why were you behind it? Did you hit your kill quota of 50 for the match and decide, "Blessed is he who helpeth his teammates learneth the righteous path", head back behind your redline, and then proceed to "teach" your teammate? Obviously you wouldn't have killed him if he was at the enemy redline, because you were too busy prancing around behind your own. This is beside the point, but deserves mentioning. My guess is it didn't go down this way. You most likely got killed and spawned behind the redline because 1. the enemy held all objectives/CRUs/there were no uplinks available, or 2. you're a punk. Even if #1 was true, you're still a punk because anyone that espouses the importance of team/squad play, only to kill their own teammate, is a punk. Have you seen my baseball?
Michael Cratar Fenrir's Wolves 287	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:35:00 - [27] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Wy do you do it ? Why do you use thales ? Why is ur kdr so low? Why do you get mad when i counter snipe ? Why use a heavy to snipe? Any Answers? Because I'm dumb. I thought it was obvious. The question is not if I can or can not, but who is going to stop me? Closed Beta Vet
cranium79 ZionTCD 92	Posted - 2014.02.25 21:09:00 - [28] - Quote when i do it... i don't use a thales (for PC mainly if at all) i use a charge with 3x complex dmg mods and a gal medium frame gk0 i hide my hives when it's possible i normally get double digit kills and 1-0 deaths. our team is being redlined, and i don't feel like becoming meat for the grinder. it generates easy isk. i've cleared off the bridge almost by myself and had a dropship suicide hunt me, which was funny as hell it is a strategic plan, a single good sniper can hold down a position and cause major headaches for the enemy. i'm bored. i don't like the map (especially the one dom map where "A" is located off to the side beside the main structure with hills on the one spawn side. the very small map where the mccs are like <500m apart. it's a meat grinder map. i get a perfect defilade of the hills and a good portion of "A" from the redline = good hunting.


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