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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
357
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:25:00 -
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Remove the ability for scrubby carebears to earn WP in the redline so that they don't get rewarded for being lame.
Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making
Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL
Love the Art of War
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
508
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:27:00 -
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I like the idea, but think that a redlined team should still get WP for the kiill... So perhaps this mechanic would only kick in if the team is not redlined. |
Awry Barux
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
1073
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:32:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:I like the idea, but think that a redlined team should still get WP for the kiill... So perhaps this mechanic would only kick in if the team is not redlined.
Sounds good to me. If your team holds at least one null cannon, you receive no WP while in the redline. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
2114
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:38:00 -
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Any suggestion to remove or eliminate actions from within the redline is trying to fix the wrong problem.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Forum Warrior lv.2
Amarr victor!
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
1956
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:39:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Any suggestion to remove or eliminate actions from within the redline is trying to fix the wrong problem.
couldn't of said it better myself, you get the rare +1 from me |
Aszazel
R 0 N 1 N
56
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:55:00 -
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Oh, yea, take away the motivation of anyone to even TRY to get out of the redline.
Redline snipers and rail tanks are only there because AV is unbalanced and they are the only way to counter tanks. You should ask yourself WHY there are redline snipers and rail tanks. I have taken down plenty of ADV deliveries before they hit the ground and have not been in the redline, but I am sure everyone losing something believes I am.
And when a pub team is getting proto stomped and has lost all reason to put themselves out there, are you kidding me? IGÇÖd join them if my sniper skill wasnGÇÖt at 0, I donGÇÖt feel like letting them pad their KDR. I have snuck through enemy stomping to cap a CRU and a point only to have a murder taxi run me down without ANYONE spawning in to help, because no one has died to come help or spawn or canGÇÖt get through the redline stomp cause they are not a scout.
This is a problem due to other problems. Who wants to take a chance with officer weapons when there is no player market and there is NO WAY to know when/if you will ever get more.
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
358
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:58:00 -
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Relax, was just a random thought...don't need to get all antsy brah.
Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making
Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL
Love the Art of War
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Sgt Buttscratch
KILL-EM-QUICK
1804
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:01:00 -
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To fix redline snipers, get sniper rifle...kill them
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
7486
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:01:00 -
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WP mean nothing to me as a tanker.
Only the destruction of your teams HAV and the loss of ISK I cause.
"Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
361
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:07:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:WP mean nothing to me as a tanker.
Only the destruction of your teams HAV and the loss of ISK I cause.
That's how I feel about Jihading.
Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making
Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL
Love the Art of War
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Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
666
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:09:00 -
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Redlining isnt a problem, if anything they hurt their own team by being strategically and tactically useless. Snipers are worthless mooks even in the best of times, and a redline railtank isnt going to be accomplishing a lot. |
Leonid Tybalt
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
254
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:12:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:WP mean nothing to me as a tanker.
Only the destruction of your teams HAV and the loss of ISK I cause.
Seconded.
Sometimes I burn through 1-2 million isk during some matches, just to destroy enemy HAVs with mine. I don't care if I lose tanks myself, as long as I scare the redberries from trying to call in more.
Their tears are all the pay I'll ever need!
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
1316
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:46:00 -
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:Remove the ability for scrubby carebears to earn WP in the redline so that they don't get rewarded for being lame.
I don't shoot from that distance for WP. I shoot to be able to say I did it. I like sniping in RL. Therefore, I like sniping in this game. I don't play for your fun. I play for mine.
Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
5085
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:48:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:WP mean nothing to me as an AVer
Only the destruction of your teams HAV and the loss of ISK I cause.
Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub
I've adapted, and soon I will HTFU...
...Permanently. In a Gunnlogi
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
1317
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:49:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote:Redlining isnt a problem, if anything they hurt their own team by being strategically and tactically useless. Snipers are worthless mooks even in the best of times, and a redline railtank isnt going to be accomplishing a lot.
Lol. Not true. Let's seeGǪ two tanks, a dropship, another tankGǪ ah, and at least two infantry kills that I could hardly see. That's what I got when I tried redline rail tanking. The problem is, if you have read several other posts, that the rail tank is wayyyyy OP from the redline.
Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
1317
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:51:00 -
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What we need is a dynamic redline that you earn by holding points and thus pushing an actual battle line (something sorely missing from this ground warfare game) forward.
Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
7492
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:52:00 -
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I don't know why people are quoting me, altering my post, as if it either makes them badass, me publicly shamed, or something along those lines.....
It frankly doesn't.
JLAV poorly and inadvertently designed mechanic that while effective breaks immersion massively.
AV still bitches
HAVers getting progressively worse and worse due to bad tank balancing.
"Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
5085
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:55:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I don't know why people are quoting me, altering my post, as if it either makes them badass, me publicly shamed, or something along those lines.....
It frankly doesn't.
JLAV poorly and inadvertently designed mechanic that while effective breaks immersion massively.
AV still bitches
HAVers getting progressively worse and worse due to bad tank balancing. It's not supposed to. Ever hear of a joke?
1. I'm going to wait to comment of the first one.
2. We're all b!tches. Tankers arguably even more...
3. Haven't really noticed a difference. Most tankers were bad before 1.7, and most of the good ones don't like tanking anymore
Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub
I've adapted, and soon I will HTFU...
...Permanently. In a Gunnlogi
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
2840
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:58:00 -
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There is so much terrain mapped for each match, just drop the redline.
I GÖú Kittens.
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
617
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Posted - 2014.02.24 22:01:00 -
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:Remove the ability for scrubby carebears to earn WP in the redline so that they don't get rewarded for being lame. I have to laugh at you, because you did not supply anything even remotely close to a solution to your "Problem". People sniping from the redline are the EASIEST TO KILL... I call them FREE WARPOINTS for a reason.
*sigh* Idiots and their "difficulties". Too lazy to switch suits? Complain on the forums!....
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Unless you are skimming
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
365
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Posted - 2014.02.24 22:16:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:Remove the ability for scrubby carebears to earn WP in the redline so that they don't get rewarded for being lame. I have to laugh at you, because you did not supply anything even remotely close to a solution to your "Problem". People sniping from the redline are the EASIEST TO KILL... I call them FREE WARPOINTS for a reason. *sigh* Idiots and their "difficulties". Too lazy to switch suits? Complain on the forums!....
I'm glad that I provided you with some laughter, you clearly need it... you're uptight and take **** too seriously brah. So those endorphins are on the house cause I'm cool like that.
Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making
Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL
Love the Art of War
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2Berries
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
90
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Posted - 2014.02.24 23:03:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:To fix redline snipers, get sniper rifle...kill them Love counter sniping! Patiently moving my recticle till i get the 125% headshot is the hardest part. Most snipers don't even move, & when you do get one you only have to wait 20 secs & like magic that ****** is back in the same position!
For real, learn to snipe if your going to grab a SR.
Don't stay in one place. 1 clip max-any longer & your asking for death. Don't stand on the ridgeline. Get out of the redline-it's the first place we look for you. If you do live through the first shot at you, find cover. Running straight down a hillside leaves you open.
Or ignore me completely, I get a very special feeling from OHKing with starter fits! |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1329
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Posted - 2014.02.24 23:28:00 -
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Red-lines should be giant Shield barriers extended from the Warbarge done in a very New Eden way. Being behind the shield barrier doesn't allow you to shoot out of it and or receive fire from within. Allowing red-lined teams to full respawn, call in appropriate vehicles and dropships, group up and push out of the red-line and gives that side a fighting chance to come back.
The shield should only allow one pass through, meaning once you leave the safety of the shield barrier it cannot recognize you independently and let you run back into the red-line. Because the red-line shield barrier wouldn't allow damage to pass through from either side it will also nullify a lot of the players who choose to spend 80% of their game time in the red-line not contributing to their team, or truly getting the New Eden Experience of competition in the battlefield as they are not fully on it.
Furthermore if you are in the red-line for 2 minutes+ they can just blanket kick everyone from the match... Stopping the AFK in a "safe area" that hurts both sides of competition. It's of course not the players fault they take advantage of this, the blame lies with it even being a viable option.
Either that or make the Redline instead into a Giant defendable Complex accessible by all... With 15 Smart Turrets( so no solo tank can take it on..) Infantry bunkers all around
A captureable point in the middle...
And when you loose all your points on the map... that is your last place of Refuge... And if the aggressive strong team Assaults it and takes it after the match is over. |
Lv2spd2
Slow And Old
209
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Posted - 2014.02.24 23:30:00 -
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Taking away their WPs won't decrease the amount this happens much. Many of those doing it all game long are just deliberately trying to grief players anyway. |
Cotsy
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.02.24 23:41:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Any suggestion to remove or eliminate actions from within the redline is trying to fix the wrong problem.
Exactly. Fix the matchmaking, ensure that both teams are balanced and have a equal chance to win and this redline conversation will end. Hiding in the redline would therefore would hinder his teams chance to win instead of being the only option a team has left while being stomped upon.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
2120
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Posted - 2014.02.25 00:34:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Red-lines should be giant Shield barriers extended from the Warbarge done in a very New Eden way. Being behind the shield barrier doesn't allow you to shoot out of it and or receive fire from within. Allowing red-lined teams to full respawn, call in appropriate vehicles and dropships, group up and push out of the red-line and gives that side a fighting chance to come back.
The shield should only allow one pass through, meaning once you leave the safety of the shield barrier it cannot recognize you independently and let you run back into the red-line. Because the red-line shield barrier wouldn't allow damage to pass through from either side it will also nullify a lot of the players who choose to spend 80% of their game time in the red-line not contributing to their team, or truly getting the New Eden Experience of competition in the battlefield as they are not fully on it.
Furthermore if you are in the red-line for 2 minutes+ they can just blanket kick everyone from the match... Stopping the AFK in a "safe area" that hurts both sides of competition. It's of course not the players fault they take advantage of this, the blame lies with it even being a viable option.
Either that or make the Redline instead into a Giant defendable Complex accessible by all... With 15 Smart Turrets( so no solo tank can take it on..) Infantry bunkers all around
A captureable point in the middle...
And when you loose all your points on the map... that is your last place of Refuge... And if the aggressive strong team Assaults it and takes it after the match is over.
Solid ideas. I think I like the defendable complex or the rally point options the best. Though to really make it work you might need to make a yellow zone where enemy vehicles can't enter... Rallying won't work if 5 blaster tanks are waiting to shred you as you emerge.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Forum Warrior lv.2
Amarr victor!
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bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
128
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Posted - 2014.02.25 01:00:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I don't know why people are quoting me, altering my post, as if it either makes them badass, me publicly shamed, or something along those lines.....
It frankly doesn't.
JLAV poorly and inadvertently designed mechanic that while effective breaks immersion massively.
AV still bitches
HAVers getting progressively worse and worse due to bad tank balancing.
I... know why people are quoting me... it... makes them badass...
:-)
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
3257
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Posted - 2014.02.25 01:25:00 -
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Just remove the redline from a "redlined" match, and have one last objective to cap beneath/nearby the MCC that ends the skirmish instantly upon capture.
Pubstomps end quicker, and redline campers no longer have their crutch. Problem solved.
No.
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Nikoli Gleimer
The Comet Republic
11
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Posted - 2014.02.25 01:38:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Just remove the redline from a "redlined" match, and have one last objective to cap beneath/nearby the MCC that ends the skirmish instantly upon capture.
Pubstomps end quicker, and redline campers no longer have their crutch. Problem solved.
The guy a few posts up just basically posted the same idea
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
619
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Posted - 2014.02.25 01:44:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Red-lines should be giant Shield barriers extended from the Warbarge done in a very New Eden way. Being behind the shield barrier doesn't allow you to shoot out of it and or receive fire from within. Allowing red-lined teams to full respawn, call in appropriate vehicles and dropships, group up and push out of the red-line and gives that side a fighting chance to come back.
The shield should only allow one pass through, meaning once you leave the safety of the shield barrier it cannot recognize you independently and let you run back into the red-line. Because the red-line shield barrier wouldn't allow damage to pass through from either side it will also nullify a lot of the players who choose to spend 80% of their game time in the red-line not contributing to their team, or truly getting the New Eden Experience of competition in the battlefield as they are not fully on it.
Furthermore if you are in the red-line for 2 minutes+ they can just blanket kick everyone from the match... Stopping the AFK in a "safe area" that hurts both sides of competition. It's of course not the players fault they take advantage of this, the blame lies with it even being a viable option.
Either that or make the Redline instead into a Giant defendable Complex accessible by all... With 15 Smart Turrets( so no solo tank can take it on..) Infantry bunkers all around
A captureable point in the middle...
And when you loose all your points on the map... that is your last place of Refuge... And if the aggressive strong team Assaults it and takes it after the match is over. We call that idea the "Sitting Duck Line". What's that? You and your friends are organizing a group expedition? Well I'm just gonna camp the outside of your shield and have my team focus-fire you as you come out of your fish-in-a-barrel-wall. What's that? You can't leave the "Duck Hunt Zone"? Obviously. I have free reign around the entire edge of your base and you can't do squat about it.
Bethy's entire team just got spawn camped, then kicked because they can't exit their redline without being insta-killed. What losers.
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Unless you are skimming
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