If I know the map you are describing (old manus peak domination??) it is much more than just "partially" map design. Whoever holds that ridge owns the objective/game. Rail Rifle are at their prime in that environment... elevated position, optimal range to target (objective), cover (ducking behind the ridge out of LOS).. plus massive amounts of equipment = gg.

They probably could have done the same thing using mass drivers and lazers if they never lost the ridge top position.

I'm getting really sick of dealing with bricked RR Gk.0 logis. Playing Dom vs. STB, their whole squad camped out on the hill above the objective with triages hives and the works, you know, standard cookie-cutter 1.7 infantry build. I try flanking with a shotgun scout, get one the first time, then just die repeatedly. I try pushing with a heavy- no dice, can't possibly begin to close the range before getting taken apart, and they can see the null cannon console from 60m away. 1 kill and 7 deaths later, I say screw it and pull out my proto ARR in a damage modded armor tanked triage nanohive packing ADV logi suit. Easy 15 kill streak, would have gone further if the match hadn't ended.

Picture of kills/deaths over time

I don't know how much more ****** balancing I can take. It's partially a map design problem that caters to 50-70m weapon optimals, but also just incredibly bad numerical balancing between tiers. There are two ways to win in Dust: Be massively, massively better than your opponent, or bring a crutch of equal or bigger size to their crutch, or some combination of the two. Dust has become simply a crutch comparison engine.

I don't really have a point here other than "I broke down and pulled out my crutch, and it made me so mad that it worked so well that I had to come post about it on the forums".

The real problem is PC being closed.
The tactics have moved into pubs out of bordem.

Corps like Molan Labe, STB, Pradox, etc never really bothered me in pubs. But now, I know they are going to be spamming uplinks in all the usual spots and droppin' millions just win a pub match... it's annoying. I don't play pubs that hard. I'm mostly there to add to the SP and ISK stash.

I'm getting really sick of dealing with bricked RR Gk.0 logis. Playing Dom vs. STB, their whole squad camped out on the hill above the objective with triages hives and the works, you know, standard cookie-cutter 1.7 infantry build. I try flanking with a shotgun scout, get one the first time, then just die repeatedly. I try pushing with a heavy- no dice, can't possibly begin to close the range before getting taken apart, and they can see the null cannon console from 60m away. 1 kill and 7 deaths later, I say screw it and pull out my proto ARR in a damage modded armor tanked triage nanohive packing ADV logi suit. Easy 15 kill streak, would have gone further if the match hadn't ended.

Picture of kills/deaths over time

I don't know how much more ****** balancing I can take. It's partially a map design problem that caters to 50-70m weapon optimals, but also just incredibly bad numerical balancing between tiers. There are two ways to win in Dust: Be massively, massively better than your opponent, or bring a crutch of equal or bigger size to their crutch, or some combination of the two. Dust has become simply a crutch comparison engine.

I don't really have a point here other than "I broke down and pulled out my crutch, and it made me so mad that it worked so well that I had to come post about it on the forums".

you call tactics sitting on the obvious choke point with RR tanked gal logi's?



Sorry OP it's def almost always frustrating when you land on that map. Luck you it wasn't what STB used to be known for: TANKS!

I know you're probably not specced into it but an ads woulda made for some funsies countering those tanked logi's.

But yeah tbh it's more that map needs a bit of improvement.

I call tactics doing whatever works, on that map thats a great way to win, like when they used to say to Shaq, hey man why do you always get low and jam the rock in? Shaq answered cause it works...... Same thing here, they came with a tactic of using flat open ground from an elevated position defended with triage hives andclong range weapons, used to be the Tac, b4 that the laser, we all know the deal nothing wrong with it.....

you call tactics sitting on the obvious choke point with RR tanked gal logi's?



Sorry OP it's def almost always frustrating when you land on that map. Luck you it wasn't what STB used to be known for: TANKS!

I know you're probably not specced into it but an ads woulda made for some funsies countering those tanked logi's.

But yeah tbh it's more that map needs a bit of improvement.

well it's no surprise that bad players have to camp and be constantly healed because they can't go 1v1 and
can't manage their HP, they have to have a computer do it for them as well as having the computer aim for them.

scrubs.

Crutch Comparison Engine.

You sir, just figured it all out. The game is this F'd up BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.

Now that we're on the same page, think about it. How simple would it be to hotfix matchmaking or separating players by gear level?
How simple would it be to put a cap on tanks or drastically increase their cost?
Now think of the rest of the game, apply the same logic, and what do you have? The only game of its kind that caters to bad players.

I'm getting really sick of dealing with bricked RR Gk.0 logis. Playing Dom vs. STB, their whole squad camped out on the hill above the objective with triages hives and the works, you know, standard cookie-cutter 1.7 infantry build. I try flanking with a shotgun scout, get one the first time, then just die repeatedly. I try pushing with a heavy- no dice, can't possibly begin to close the range before getting taken apart, and they can see the null cannon console from 60m away. 1 kill and 7 deaths later, I say screw it and pull out my proto ARR in a damage modded armor tanked triage nanohive packing ADV logi suit. Easy 15 kill streak, would have gone further if the match hadn't ended.

Picture of kills/deaths over time

I don't know how much more ****** balancing I can take. It's partially a map design problem that caters to 50-70m weapon optimals, but also just incredibly bad numerical balancing between tiers. There are two ways to win in Dust: Be massively, massively better than your opponent, or bring a crutch of equal or bigger size to their crutch, or some combination of the two. Dust has become simply a crutch comparison engine.

I don't really have a point here other than "I broke down and pulled out my crutch, and it made me so mad that it worked so well that I had to come post about it on the forums".

I'm getting really sick of dealing with bricked RR Gk.0 logis. Playing Dom vs. STB, their whole squad camped out on the hill above the objective with triages hives and the works, you know, standard cookie-cutter 1.7 infantry build. I try flanking with a shotgun scout, get one the first time, then just die repeatedly. I try pushing with a heavy- no dice, can't possibly begin to close the range before getting taken apart, and they can see the null cannon console from 60m away. 1 kill and 7 deaths later, I say screw it and pull out my proto ARR in a damage modded armor tanked triage nanohive packing ADV logi suit. Easy 15 kill streak, would have gone further if the match hadn't ended.

Picture of kills/deaths over time

I don't know how much more ****** balancing I can take. It's partially a map design problem that caters to 50-70m weapon optimals, but also just incredibly bad numerical balancing between tiers. There are two ways to win in Dust: Be massively, massively better than your opponent, or bring a crutch of equal or bigger size to their crutch, or some combination of the two. Dust has become simply a crutch comparison engine.

I don't really have a point here other than "I broke down and pulled out my crutch, and it made me so mad that it worked so well that I had to come post about it on the forums".

Yeap, that ridge- and to make matters worse, one team (in this case, their team) starts on the ridge side. The funny thing is, they lost by getting cloned thanks to some nice OBs by Death Firm.

The gameplay's more tangible issues are too numerous to recount in full. Battlegrounds are too large for the player count, resulting in long stretches where enemies are nowhere to be found. They're wastelands of muddy industrial sameness, with no attention to scale or flow. Paths dead-end nonsensically. Ladders and hallways lead to empty rooms devoid of relation to objectives or tactics. Weapon types are tremendously imbalanced. Audio effects sound cheap and have little relevance to the direction or proximity of their source. Dips in the frame rate result in distant enemies frequently looking like they're moving in stop-motion.

I wish they had never put 514 in the title. Every time someone comes on here to spread tears around they call it something514. If they are in the hills killing you then move away from the hills and make them come after you for the kill. I am sure there is some type of proverb somewhere about fighting an uphill battle.

Are you really complaining based on how poor a shotgun is against a coordinated squad holding the high ground in an open map, and how much better you did when you pulled out a ranged weapon?

Lol please hit me up if you want to prove how bad we are lets set up a thunderdome I'll 1v1 anyone in this game. I run solo ambush all the time and put up 18-1 or 20-1 type scores and still lose, then you guys come on the forums and complain and get upset at the players who use protogear and squad up instead of complaing about CCPs lack of player separation. I would love to only play PC matches but thats unrealistic. If there was a mode that required a minimum suit meta level that likely ensured a proto suit and at least ADV weapon thats all I would play until then focus your anger on CCP who decided it was ok to match 20+ million SP veterans against academy graduates.