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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7423	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:17:00 - [1] - Quote Tanking just isn't the same as it used to be. It doesn't push me to do better every fight, it doesn't require me to worry about positioning and module activation. I don't have to fear anything but a Railgun tank. Tanking in 1.6 was better than this. As such I can already visibly see my Tanking suffering, there is not drive to avoid death, or loss of machine...... I simply miss feeling vulnerable. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 9928	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:17:00 - [2] - Quote Hey look guys, it's a tanker with an IQ above three without the belief that they should be god! ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 801	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:18:00 - [3] - Quote I loved the feeling of driving a 2.2mil falchion around the field. :( compilation of Patch/build notes Check it out! :)
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2014	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:19:00 - [4] - Quote Decloaks Drops RE's on the back of tank Recloaks +150 +50 \o/ "But we have been blessed"
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7426	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:22:00 - [5] - Quote richiesutie 2 wrote: I loved the feeling of driving a 2.2mil falchion around the field. :( I wish I had that. I missed out on Chromo Tanking, and the Enforcers because I thought I was too good for them using my Little Soma that could..... But I can remember back before 1.7 doing things with the Soma I couldn't even do now in a Madrugar...... "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7426	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:23:00 - [6] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Decloaks Drops RE's on the back of tank Recloaks +150 +50 \o/ Please do, oh god please do. RE kills on HAV are so ballsy and epic! "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2014	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:25:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Decloaks Drops RE's on the back of tank Recloaks +150 +50 \o/ Please do, oh god please do. RE kills on HAV are so ballsy and epic! I have a habit of chasing tanks down like that. "But we have been blessed"
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 1424	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:27:00 - [8] - Quote I miss feeling like a threat to tanks with my Forge Gun. My FG skills are maxed and there's no feasible way for me to kill tanks anymore on the ground, especially when there's 5-6 of them completely wrecking your team. The only way is to camp a tower and hope their cooldowns are down. Even MLT tanks are freaking beasts. Why the hell are hardeners so powerful and have such a long duration/short cooldown? This whole "window of opportunity" nonsense CCP tried to create with vehicles makes no sense when AV can't even output enough DPS to kill a tank when it's vulnerable. AV needed a nerf in respects to the 1.6 tank situation. It certainly did not need to be nerfed as bad as it was with how 1.7 tanks are. 1.7 was like a slap in the face followed by a kick in the nuts to AVers. Let me play you the song of my people!
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1751	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:29:00 - [9] - Quote Well (mostly) due to the simplified slot layout and the 2x hardener effect (the doubling of the potency of the hardeners, making it 2 in one) caused that. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7428	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:30:00 - [10] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: I miss feeling like a threat to tanks with my Forge Gun. My FG skills are maxed and there's no feasible way for me to kill tanks anymore on the ground, especially when there's 5-6 of them completely wrecking your team. The only way is to camp a tower and hope their cooldowns are down. Even MLT tanks are freaking beasts. Why the hell are hardeners so powerful and have such a long duration/short cooldown? This whole "window of opportunity" nonsense CCP tried to create with vehicles makes no sense when AV can't even output enough DPS to kill a tank when it's vulnerable. AV needed a nerf in respects to the 1.6 tank situation. It certainly did not need to be nerfed as bad as it was with how 1.7 tanks are. 1.7 was like a slap in the face followed by a kick in the nuts to AVers. I agree you need to be a threat....but not to the point of total vehicle prevention..... still would rather fear forgegunners than simply sit there laughing at them. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7428	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:32:00 - [11] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Well (mostly) due to the simplified slot layout and the 2x hardener effect (the doubling of the potency of the hardeners, making it 2 in one) caused that. Mhmmm reductions to resistances need lowing to say 50% shield and 35% armour respectively...then balancing from there.....I also miss the feeling of being able to customise my machine.... "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Gooch Hair SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:32:00 - [12] - Quote Well we all know the reasons why its no longer a challenge. But as a Proto AV guy, it makes me feel so much better to destroy tanks now more than ever. I usually run solo with my Swarms, and today alone i have taken 11 tanks in 6 games, ranging from Militia to Madrugar. Its incredibly hard, but a suit that has 3 complex damage mods, Proto swarms, RE's, ADV grenades and proximity mines means i can hold my own. The only problem is the sheer number of tanks on the field. One on one, i will give you a good battle regardless which tank you have. Even the range nerf doesnt bother me, but with 6 odd tanks on the field all grouped together i have next to no chance most of the time. Decreasing the numbers of tanks would make a huge difference to both devoted Tankers and AV guys alike. You've been Gooched.
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2017	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:39:00 - [13] - Quote Ooh while you have an active thread true is there anyway possible I could join PIE (I'll still be a minmatar slave baby) but I'll always fly Amarr. "But we have been blessed"
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 1427	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:41:00 - [14] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I agree you need to be a threat....but not to the point of total vehicle prevention..... still would rather fear forgegunners than simply sit there laughing at them. I mean I'm running Prof. V + 2x Complex Damage mods and I'm having issues killing even MLT tanks by myself. I can't even imagine how someone who's using a basic or advanced FG must feel like going up against a tank. My two biggest gripes right now are: (a) Double hardener stacking giving tanks way too strong immunity for way too long. (b) Nerfed FG charge time making it damn impossible to output enough DPS to kill competent tanks in their vulnerable period due to how fast tanks can get out of range/line of sight. Let me play you the song of my people!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7432	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:45:00 - [15] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Ooh while you have an active thread true is there anyway possible I could join PIE (I'll still be a minmatar slave baby) but I'll always fly Amarr. Convince Shaikar or Aethion and you are in....you need simply apply, state your reasons for wanting to fly with an Imperial Alliance of the highest calibre, and take a brief IC interview. After which you may or may not receive the benefits of flying with a group like PIE Inc. You could also take the Imperial Tour if someone is running it. It covers basic Amarr ships, modules, and fleet tactics, not to mention navigation of High Sec and FW systems. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7434	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:50:00 - [16] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: True Adamance wrote: I agree you need to be a threat....but not to the point of total vehicle prevention..... still would rather fear forgegunners than simply sit there laughing at them. I mean I'm running Prof. V + 2x Complex Damage mods and I'm having issues killing even MLT tanks by myself. I can't even imagine how someone who's using a basic or advanced FG must feel like going up against a tank. My two biggest gripes right now are: (a) Double hardener stacking giving tanks way too strong immunity for way too long. (b) Nerfed FG charge time making it damn impossible to output enough DPS to kill competent tanks in their vulnerable period due to how fast tanks can get out of range/line of sight. FG charge time I take issue over....its not like I don't want your guys to do well....but if FG fire too fast they significantly unbalance against medium and lighter frame vehicles. As for the hardeners I am cool with them rolling lower resistances like they used to. Not too low or slots become required. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5062	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:51:00 - [17] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Decloaks Drops RE's on the back of tank Recloaks +150 +50 \o/ You'd have to cloak, what with tankers having a third person camera. RE's are great and all but when the guy can see you running up to place them, it's sort of skewed. I've suggested removal of the third person camera to limit this but the general response is that there'd have to be some way for the player to see where the turret is facing in relation to where the vehicle is facing. Which is hilarious because that's already in-game at the bottom of the screen. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 758	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:51:00 - [18] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: True Adamance wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Decloaks Drops RE's on the back of tank Recloaks +150 +50 \o/ Please do, oh god please do. RE kills on HAV are so ballsy and epic! I have a habit of chasing tanks down like that. Tank was tormenting my team the other day so I ran at it and fluxed it....it drove straight into the redline.....OUR REDLINE! In a separate match there was a noob blaster tank that was circling the point so I ran ahead to get in front of it. At a distance it noticed me and fire five rounds (yea, only 5) then proceeded to continue as if ignoring me. As it passed me I gave it a high 5 and said to my squad "tell me when it's shields are down" "Shield's down" Click KABOOOOM!! "I don't like being ignored " Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2022	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:51:00 - [19] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Ooh while you have an active thread true is there anyway possible I could join PIE (I'll still be a minmatar slave baby) but I'll always fly Amarr. Convince Shaikar or Aethion and you are in....you need simply apply, state your reasons for wanting to fly with an Imperial Alliance of the highest calibre, and take a brief IC interview. After which you may or may not receive the benefits of flying with a group like PIE Inc. You could also take the Imperial Tour if someone is running it. It covers basic Amarr ships, modules, and fleet tactics, not to mention navigation of High Sec and FW systems. PIE has not active Slaves in it. Only free men and women who wish to serve God and the Empire. Alright it'll be a day or so before I apply I got a deal with Arkenai going with the refer a friend to the game & I get 400mil maybe "But we have been blessed"
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7434	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:54:00 - [20] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: True Adamance wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Ooh while you have an active thread true is there anyway possible I could join PIE (I'll still be a minmatar slave baby) but I'll always fly Amarr. Convince Shaikar or Aethion and you are in....you need simply apply, state your reasons for wanting to fly with an Imperial Alliance of the highest calibre, and take a brief IC interview. After which you may or may not receive the benefits of flying with a group like PIE Inc. You could also take the Imperial Tour if someone is running it. It covers basic Amarr ships, modules, and fleet tactics, not to mention navigation of High Sec and FW systems. PIE has not active Slaves in it. Only free men and women who wish to serve God and the Empire. Alright it'll be a day or so before I apply I got a deal with Arkenai going with the refer a friend to the game & I get 400mil maybe Oh Arkena...... I like Arkena but don't trust him as far as I can throw him....and in an HAV that's pretty far. Gonna be wary of that. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 383	Posted - 2014.02.23 22:00:00 - [21] - Quote I hate post like this one .. clearly an attempt to have tanks nerfed to being able to be solo'd again. If you need more of a challenge then run straight reg. 80gl blasters non stop and stop trying to testify for tankers. Hell it's easy when you have over 10 mil in vehicles. Tanks should not be easily solo'd. Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7439	Posted - 2014.02.23 22:06:00 - [22] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I hate post like this one .. clearly an attempt to have tanks nerfed to being able to be solo'd again. If you need more of a challenge then run straight reg. 80gl blasters non stop and stop trying to testify for tankers. Hell it's easy when you have over 10 mil in vehicles. Tanks should not be easily solo'd. Not really. I haven't been tanking as long as some, but long enough to know that they are not balanced. We have too much power in our hands, and I can objectively appreciate that. The other thing I appreciate is how OP AV used to be, and never want to see that again. We don't need nerfs to balance tanks, or buffs to AV, merely tweaks to ensure much greater parity between these two age old enemies. I would agree with you that HAV should not be soloed....however we need more ISK and SP balancing in addition to some basic resistance numbers balancing. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5063	Posted - 2014.02.23 22:08:00 - [23] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I hate post like this one .. clearly an attempt to have tanks nerfed to being able to be solo'd again. If you need more of a challenge then run straight reg. 80gl blasters non stop and stop trying to testify for tankers. Hell it's easy when you have over 10 mil in vehicles. Tanks should not be easily solo'd. Why not? They cost about the same as some advanced/prototype fits and only have to worry about other tanks and AV. You're immune to 75% of the weaponry in this game, that's plenty powerful enough. Further more, in a 16v16 game why should it take more than one person to kill any one other person? Can my Gallente Assault require three people to kill it now? If not, WHY not? Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1769	Posted - 2014.02.23 22:12:00 - [24] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Hell it's easy when you have over 10 mil in vehicles. Lolwut? I have about 5 million SP in tanks and they couldn't be more easymode than they are now (well, they probably have been more easymode back in closed beta, but you get my point). Those 5 million SP are even split across both Gunnlogi and Madrugar as well as Railgun and Blaster turret. Quote: Tanks should not be easily solo'd. Easily perhaps not, but they should be able to be soloed. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 815	Posted - 2014.02.23 22:14:00 - [25] - Quote You could always try out dropshipping we got all that and more! One bad position and your toast!
Vance Vyth State Covenant AQ 75	Posted - 2014.02.23 22:15:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tanking just isn't the same as it used to be. It doesn't push me to do better every fight, it doesn't require me to worry about positioning and module activation. I don't have to fear anything but a Railgun tank. Tanking in 1.6 was better than this. As such I can already visibly see my Tanking suffering, there is not drive to avoid death, or loss of machine...... I simply miss feeling vulnerable. Pretty much in the same boat as you buddy. All CCP needed to do was adjust some of the damage values of forges and swarms. Not even that, they just should have given our prototype variants and it would have been fair game. Right now. its scrub tank 514. The real tankers didnt even call for a major overhaul. only the scrub ones. (a¦ê+ä-£a¦ê) n++Gö¦pâçGòÉGÇö _ - (a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ) "+60"
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 31	Posted - 2014.02.23 22:17:00 - [27] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tanking just isn't the same as it used to be. It doesn't push me to do better every fight, it doesn't require me to worry about positioning and module activation. I don't have to fear anything but a Railgun tank. Tanking in 1.6 was better than this. As such I can already visibly see my Tanking suffering, there is not drive to avoid death, or loss of machine...... I simply miss feeling vulnerable. You also need to fear the Jihad, far more worrying than any railgun... It will also make you work on movement and positioning.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7442	Posted - 2014.02.23 22:17:00 - [28] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: You could always try out dropshipping we got all that and more! One bad position and your toast! No Amarr Dropships.... "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7443	Posted - 2014.02.23 22:19:00 - [29] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tanking just isn't the same as it used to be. It doesn't push me to do better every fight, it doesn't require me to worry about positioning and module activation. I don't have to fear anything but a Railgun tank. Tanking in 1.6 was better than this. As such I can already visibly see my Tanking suffering, there is not drive to avoid death, or loss of machine...... I simply miss feeling vulnerable. You also need to fear the Jihad, far more worrying than any railgun... It will also make you work on movement and positioning. Nah I just laugh. Its means I was doing my job well. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1667	Posted - 2014.02.23 23:18:00 - [30] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: I miss feeling like a threat to tanks with my Forge Gun. My FG skills are maxed and there's no feasible way for me to kill tanks anymore on the ground, especially when there's 5-6 of them completely wrecking your team. The only way is to camp a tower and hope their cooldowns are down. Even MLT tanks are freaking beasts. Why the hell are hardeners so powerful and have such a long duration/short cooldown? This whole "window of opportunity" nonsense CCP tried to create with vehicles makes no sense when AV can't even output enough DPS to kill a tank when it's vulnerable. AV needed a nerf in respects to the 1.6 tank situation. It certainly did not need to be nerfed as bad as it was with how 1.7 tanks are. 1.7 was like a slap in the face followed by a kick in the nuts to AVers. I think it may be as simple as recalibrating the duty cycle for hardeners. Throw in web grenades and a hardener duty cycle stacking penalty, and the 'waves of opportunity' design CCP chose may yield good gameplay yet. I support SP rollover.



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