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Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 575	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:03:00 - [1] - Quote TL;DR: Random tracking speed changes (vehicles only) and loss of crosshairs (for both vehicles and infantry) There have been other threads that discussed tracking disruption, and they were either: a) Slows down turret traversal (affects vehicles only) b) Increase weapon dispersion (affects both infantry and vehicles) Both of these ideas are good, though some are somewhat "how would that work?" in-universe. Tracking disruptors in EVE work by messing with the targeting computers for the turrets. Since battles are fought at kilometers apart (though can be much closer in frigate blaster brawls) between ships going hundreds and sometimes thousands of meters per second, complex calculations are needed in order to ensure that targets are hit. While weapon dispertion is a good idea in that it makes tracking disruption affect both infantry and vehicles equally. However, dropsuits don't use tracking computers; they rely on the hand-eye coordination of the merc. Slowing down vehicle turret's tracking speed is good, but it could be hard to tell if the EWAR was active on the vehicle without some kind of graphical effect, but why would it cause a graphical effect? Proposal: How about the Tracking Disruptor affects the tracking speed of vehicle turrets randomly at set intervals (both increases and decreasing th speed by random amounts) and also gets rid of the on-screen crosshairs for both vehicles and infantry (but only when hipfiring). For Vehicles: While under the effects of tracking disruption, the tracking speed for vehicle turrets changes between random values every second. One second the turret is tracking at only half speed, and the next it's tracking at twice the speed, far overshooting it's target as it attempts to track. The values could be 0.1, 0.33, 0.66, 1.0, 1.33, 1.66, and 2.0 and changed every second, causing turrets to be highly uncontrollable for the duration. The crosshairs onscreen could also disappear, requiring approximation for rail turrets and constant firing for blasters to use their "bullet stream" as a laser-sight. The target information that pops up (dropsuit type, distance, efficiency rating) would also disappear while under the effects of tracking disruption. For Infantry: EWAR against infantry is limited in nature, having to mess with their onboard computing software which is supplemental at best. Taking displays of the HUD is the only real way to affect them. For Tracking disruptors, this would remove the crosshairs displayed in the middle of the screen while hip firiing. Anyone who's fired a weapon without looking down the sights knows that targeting is approximation at best. Game-play wise, this means that keeping a target is the middle of the screen will allow for shots to be on target. If that's not good enough, looking down the sights (ADS) would take care of that, as the merc is then either using the ironsights on the weapon or a weapon-mounted scope, neither of which is controlled by a targeting computer. The target information that pops up (dropsuit type, distance, efficiency rating) would also disappear while under the effects of tracking disruption. Counters: Counters for TD would be either ADS for infantry, or tracking stabilizers for vehicles (would be a new module). Tracking stablizers would act against the effects of the tracking disruptors, lowering the "spread" of possible disruptor values. Module Stats: Tracking Disruptor: STD - Tracking speeds are randomly changed between 0.66, 1.0, and 1.33. ADV - Tracking speeds are randomly changed between 0.33, 0.66, 1.0, 1.33, and 1.66. PRO - Tracking speeds are randomly changed between 0.1, 0.33, 0.66, 1.0, 1.33, 1.66, and 2.0. Tracking Stabilizer: STD - Tracking disruption will only change between 0.25, 0.5, .75, 1.0, 1.25, 1.5, and 1.75 ADV - Tracking disruption will only change between 0.50, 0.75, 1.0, 1.25, and 1.5 PRO - Tracking disruption will only change between 0.75, 1.0, and 1.25 An example of the interaction between the tracking disruptor and the tracking stabilizer: A STD tracking stabilizer will let a STD tracking distruptor set it's tracking speed to 0.75 and the lowest and 1.25 at the highest. A STD tracking stabilizer will let a ADV stracking disruptor set its tracking speed to 0.5 at the lowest and 1.5 at the highest. A STD tracking stabilizer will let a PRO tracking disruptor set its tracking speed to 0.25 at the lowest and 1.75 at the highest. Thus, a STD tracking stabilizer will still protect a vehicle against the full effects of a tracking disruptor, and a STD tracking disruptor will still allow for disabling of a turret against a PRO tracking stablizer. Neither module completely negates the effects of its counter module at any level. Delivery for this form of EWAR is still something to be figured out. An AoE proxy-mine like device? A targeted piece of equipment (like a rep tool)? Grenade? If a remote activation (the proxy mine or a grenade), then the time for the effect would have to be decided upon as well. How long is a fair amount to mess with a turret? If the TD is a rep-tool like piece of equipment where it has to be constantly targeted (and thus a dedicated TDer needed), then I think an indefinate time while within range is fair. What would the range be then? That's also something that would need to be figured out. So, what do you think? I contribute nothing.
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1175	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:16:00 - [2] - Quote +1 As far as delivery, I think it should be like the repair tool on infantry. For vehicle based tracking disruptors, they should be like the remote reps before 1.7: requires lock-on but remains active for a some duration and allows the vehicle to continue firing. Can only be used against other vehicles. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Texs Red DUST University Ivy League 229	Posted - 2014.02.22 16:21:00 - [3] - Quote For infantry I had the idea of shot displacement vs actual tracking disruption. The Amarr could set up a displacement field that causes slight gravitational pushes, causing shots to randomly alter trajectory that pass through it. It would sort of act like a shield except you can't actually hurt the shield itself and there is still a chance to hit people on the other side but just not accurately. For vehicles I can see how that would be helpful for railguns as the constantly changing speed would make landing precise shots very difficult, but would find limited use in short range engagement where your target is so large. Honestly I think just slowing turret turn speed would be best, it would be something you could depend on regardless of range.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 220	Posted - 2014.02.22 16:33:00 - [4] - Quote Oh yeah, let's affect vehicle tracking randomly. Also, let scouts randomly stumble when they sprint. Let weapons randomly jam. Let overheat permanently disable overheated weapons randomly and let overheat cause mis-alignment of the crosshair in most (but not all) instances in a random direction. Get a 0.001% chance of dirt flying into your face and obscuring your vision when someone decides to shoot at you and you run away. Let the shockwaves of AoE weapons push people around in random directions and push them to the ground, with variable times until they can move properly again. Make all weapons suddenly gain 500% damage bonus with a chance of 0.0000002% because they hit something vital. Randomly messing with a player's control is not fun. That's why people suggest a flat turn speed decrease. That's a disadvantage that a tanker can out-skill. Random effects can't be out-skilled. I know what I'm talking about - I'm a sniper. On some days, I get more kills by shooting in the wrong direction than actually aiming at someone's head.
WSixsmith Dust Ultramarine Corp 12	Posted - 2014.02.22 17:07:00 - [5] - Quote I agree with a straight slow down of the turret or increased dispersion. That makes the effect stackable from multiple modules. As for delivery why not alter the flaylock to deliver a sticky computer to the hull of the vehicle / armor of the player. Once attached it acts as a tracking disruptor until it is removed. You can only have one remote computer per module active at a time and the effect gets the same type of stacking penalties that most other modules get. Meaning after the fourth hit / module being active it isn't going to get any slower or increase dispersion any more. The only complicated bit would be how to change out the tracking speed virus with the optimal range virus in game. We still don't have a way to change ammo types in this game. I'd love to be able to Finally give the order for the squad to "Load Anti-matter" for a close quarters engagement. This same delivery system could even be used for the propulsion inhibitor / infantry web module to slow down tanks or other players. Now to keep this in line with the lore what you could also do is have a range limit on the remote computer's transmitter. That way if the soldier gets more than 50 meters / yards away from the remote computer than the wireless link between the remote computer and the on-board computer of your suit is lost and the remote computer stops interfering with the enemy until the link is re-established. For the propulsion inhibitor we would be talking a much shorter range. Something in the neighborhood of twenty meters / yards. So the idea of taking down a tank would be hit them with the tracking disruptors and then catch them with the web's. Once they are tackled and helpless let the fun begin.
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 576	Posted - 2014.02.22 17:55:00 - [6] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: Randomly messing with a player's control is not fun. That's why people suggest a flat turn speed decrease. That's a disadvantage that a tanker can out-skill. Random effects can't be out-skilled. That's a valid point. If TDs gave just a flat decrease to turret turn speed, how would you have the counter module work? "Doesn't allow turnspeed to fall below X%" or a module that just adds to maximum turnspeed? I think option A would be the best, as option B would effect the balancing mechanic that is maximum turn speed. I contribute nothing.


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