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Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 210	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:37:00 - [31] - Quote Another point is If this LAV were to pull up on a heavy with a forge the swarm cant lock him......its a well balanced idea.The LAV is able to be taken out by AV nades, proxies as well. Where as the Assault dropship hardly if ever gets hit by a AV nade and never gets taken out by proxies. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 606	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:38:00 - [32] - Quote Evicer wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Swarms should be a turret option for all vehicles. No need to even make a new turret, just let us drag and drop infantry swarms to light turret slots. NO...Im not trying to ** off tankers by saying Assault dropships should have this. NO....Im not trying to ** off Assault dropship pilots, LAV drivers and saying tanks should have this. I've already stated that the LAV would be best suited for this.Its a tin can. The LAV.its light and maneuverable....a light attack vehicle.Also on the LAV the turret op is exposed.Which means he could be taken out.Where as in a Tank he isnt exposed. The LAV is the only and best choice for this. That is why I am in agreement with it. It is a really damn good idea for LAV. An ADS or regular DS with Swarms would completely obliterate any other ground vehicle and give no possible way to fight back. A blaster tank with Swarm Gunners would kill everything, so we don't want that. A Swarm LAV gives up the immunity from a ground vehicle that a Swarm Launcher on a high roof has in favor of far greater maneuverability.
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1723	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:39:00 - [33] - Quote Heavy dropship with dual wing mounted ishukone forge turrets would be a better idea I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1405	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:44:00 - [34] - Quote All I want is for the driver to control the turrets, give me that and I'm fine, but somehow it's op even without other changes to lavs. Damn forum warriors. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 219	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:49:00 - [35] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Do it CCP Also, while we're at it, I wouldn't mind plasma cannons on LAVs either. I think the unique ability for LAVs should be that they can equip light infantry AV weapons in their turret slot. Well in that case they just need to add that turret type.They also dont have the Small laser turret in the game either......I appreciate your input .I do, but im not talking about another thing to kill infantry. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 80	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:55:00 - [36] - Quote I saw two LAV's solo a Sica with their rail guns (or maybe it was a gunlogi, not quite sure) It went down one hill, the LAV's down the other, both speeding towards each other. The next thing I see is the explosion as the tank gets blown up and both LAV's race out the other side, unharmed. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 220	Posted - 2014.02.21 14:59:00 - [37] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: I saw two LAV's solo a Sica with their rail guns (or maybe it was a gunlogi, not quite sure) It went down one hill, the LAV's down the other, both speeding towards each other. The next thing I see is the explosion as the tank gets blown up and both LAV's race out the other side, unharmed. Cool story...Got anything to add on the topic? Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Kierkegaard Soren Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 231	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:02:00 - [38] - Quote This is seriously good. We could do with this thread being moved into the Feedback forum and seeing if it catches any blue tags. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2675	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:02:00 - [39] - Quote So my tank now gets to put swarms and FG as turrets now I could add them to my DS too Be awesome flying my DS and having proto breach FG on the side 1 shotting tanks Or swarms chasing them in the redline always hitting and never missing I would seriously **** any and all vehicles if i can do that Intelligence is OP
Altus Nox FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 1	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:03:00 - [40] - Quote This is a fantastic idea. Hitting anything out of a rapidly moving LAV is nigh impossible. SL allow the LAVs to keep their speed, which is their only real defense. The increased ability to rounds put rounds on target out of an moving LAV is countered by the low damage and range of SLs and the limited ammo keeping the tankers happy. It provides a much needed counter to the current tank spam that wouldn't actually require nerfing tanks (though hardeners need to be looked at still). Tactics in DUST are king. This idea would just add another one that provides infantry with a low cost, not to overpowered counter to a current problem while sounding like a blast at the same time. Everything we want DUST to be. -Omnes una manet Nox (The same night awaits us all)

Forever ETC 703rd 21	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:03:00 - [41] - Quote This would be great, specially because swarms have tracking so you can shoot a tank as you move behind a building to quickly strike him from the other side. Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1640	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:04:00 - [42] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: Let passengers use their light weapons. Do it. Evicer, i agree with where you're going but i would rather see Jackof's approach taken because it leverages all the handheld weapon content - yay drivebys! LAVs are plenty vulnerable to infantry AV, especially if we get webs so the abusers will find themselves paying a price for their asshattery ;) In the long run i'd want to see both approaches. Then we'll have the situation of forge heavies tooling around in swarm LAVs. That should give the tankers some interesting cat-and-mouse moments ;) The reason this idea has so much traction is because it focuses on one of the two primary vaiables in the 'waves of opportunity' tank model: the delta velocity between infantry and tanks. The other half of that velocity balance equation would be web grenades. The second primary variable is the hardener duty cycle, especially as it applies to stacked hardeners. A duty cycle stacking penalty would provide the balance we need and still keep tank gameplay interesting and viable. I'm thinking the community has solved the tank vs. infantry problem. Time for CCP to hold up their end of the deal. In the spirit of focusing on the two primary varibles in our tank model, i have a new word for us to consider: Webswarms =) I support SP rollover.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2583	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:04:00 - [43] - Quote Evicer wrote: as "Mountable" turrets Now that would be awesome.I imagine Lav's running across the battlefield missiles blazing..... Ah that would be glorious.How fun would that be?Duck,dodging, and weaving.You got your hommie at the wheel with his mad "wheel" skills.LOL a new role for your corp/personal skill arsenal ...."Wheel man" I dont see why we couldn't do this when turrets now have ammo capacity. Discuss... Only if lock-on warnings for pilots are implemented. If vehicle operators got warnings for GÇ£LockingGÇ¥, GÇ£Hostile LockGÇ¥, and GÇ£Missiles InboundGÇ¥, then it would be acceptable to widen the use of guided missiles. I think counter measures such as Flairs/decoy modules for dropships should be implemented too. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 80	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:04:00 - [44] - Quote Evicer wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: I saw two LAV's solo a Sica with their rail guns (or maybe it was a gunlogi, not quite sure) It went down one hill, the LAV's down the other, both speeding towards each other. The next thing I see is the explosion as the tank gets blown up and both LAV's race out the other side, unharmed. Cool story...Got anything to add on the topic? Yea... Why? The LAV turrets are already plenty good at killing vehicles. Proto small missile turret works fine, so why add swarms? Plus you're taking away your infantry killing abilities by putting swarms on. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5019	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:08:00 - [45] - Quote Forge Guns Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 221	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:13:00 - [46] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Evicer wrote: as "Mountable" turrets Now that would be awesome.I imagine Lav's running across the battlefield missiles blazing..... Ah that would be glorious.How fun would that be?Duck,dodging, and weaving.You got your hommie at the wheel with his mad "wheel" skills.LOL a new role for your corp/personal skill arsenal ...."Wheel man" I dont see why we couldn't do this when turrets now have ammo capacity. Discuss... Only if lock-on warnings for pilots are implemented. If vehicle operators got warnings for GÇ£LockingGÇ¥, GÇ£Hostile LockGÇ¥, and GÇ£Missiles InboundGÇ¥, then it would be acceptable to widen the use of guided missiles. I think counter measures such as Flairs/decoy modules for dropships should be implemented too. Hey bro I wrote a thread about that so long ago that that the thread is probably older than you've been playing this game.Go write another one. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 221	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:14:00 - [47] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Forge Guns thread isnt about people pulling up to you Forging you ....nope wrong thread Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 221	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:14:00 - [48] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Evicer wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: I saw two LAV's solo a Sica with their rail guns (or maybe it was a gunlogi, not quite sure) It went down one hill, the LAV's down the other, both speeding towards each other. The next thing I see is the explosion as the tank gets blown up and both LAV's race out the other side, unharmed. Cool story...Got anything to add on the topic? Yea... Why? The LAV turrets are already plenty good at killing vehicles. Proto small missile turret works fine, so why add swarms? Plus you're taking away your infantry killing abilities by putting swarms on. You scared bro? Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5020	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:24:00 - [49] - Quote Evicer wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Forge Guns thread isnt about people pulling up to you Forging you ....nope wrong thread But it'd be so awesome to see a Breach Forge Gun on the back of an LAV xD I did dis in 5 minutes with GIMP: http://i.imgur.com/kUgTflT.png Back to reality, I dunno - I think it might throw the balance of AV/Vehicles but considering that Swarm Launchers can't lock onto Infantry... Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES 95	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:29:00 - [50] - Quote Evicer wrote: as "Mountable" turrets Now that would be awesome.I imagine Lav's running across the battlefield missiles blazing..... Ah that would be glorious.How fun would that be?Duck,dodging, and weaving.You got your hommie at the wheel with his mad "wheel" skills.LOL a new role for your corp/personal skill arsenal ...."Wheel man" I dont see why we couldn't do this when turrets now have ammo capacity. Discuss... This would be awesome.

Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 222	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:29:00 - [51] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Evicer wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Forge Guns thread isnt about people pulling up to you Forging you ....nope wrong thread But it'd be so awesome to see a Breach Forge Gun on the back of an LAV xD I did dis in 5 minutes with GIMP: http://i.imgur.com/kUgTflT.png Back to reality, I dunno - I think it might throw the balance of AV/Vehicles but considering that Swarm Launchers can't lock onto Infantry... Yeah no damage to infantry.Guy just chooses what turrets he wants to role with.Missle both.Rail both.Blaster infantry and Swarms anti vehicle. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1640	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:30:00 - [52] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Evicer wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Forge Guns thread isnt about people pulling up to you Forging you ....nope wrong thread But it'd be so awesome to see a Breach Forge Gun on the back of an LAV xD I did dis in 5 minutes with GIMP: http://i.imgur.com/kUgTflT.png Back to reality, I dunno - I think it might throw the balance of AV/Vehicles but considering that Swarm Launchers can't lock onto Infantry... Tbh, as much as i like the idea of using handheld weapons from vehicles it's prolly a mistake to ask for it - it's much more technically complicated than Evicer's proposal and there's the question of whether the CCP's game engine can even handle weapons fire from fast-moving platforms. Evicer's proposal gets the job done and minimizes complications with game balance and performance. So given where we are in development, i vote for LAV only swarm turrets. gg Evicer. I support SP rollover.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1738	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:31:00 - [53] - Quote Evicer wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Swarms should be a turret option for all vehicles. No need to even make a new turret, just let us drag and drop infantry swarms to light turret slots. NO...Im not trying to ** off tankers by saying Assault dropships should have this. NO....Im not trying to ** off Assault dropship pilots, LAV drivers and saying tanks should have this. I've already stated that the LAV would be best suited for this.Its a tin can. The LAV.its light and maneuverable....a light attack vehicle.Also on the LAV the turret op is exposed.Which means he could be taken out.Where as in a Tank he isnt exposed. The LAV is the only and best choice for this. IDK, if one vehicle can do it, all should be able to do it unless it was a new class of LAV, call it "Mobile AA". Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 222	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:32:00 - [54] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Evicer wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Forge Guns thread isnt about people pulling up to you Forging you ....nope wrong thread But it'd be so awesome to see a Breach Forge Gun on the back of an LAV xD I did dis in 5 minutes with GIMP: http://i.imgur.com/kUgTflT.png Back to reality, I dunno - I think it might throw the balance of AV/Vehicles but considering that Swarm Launchers can't lock onto Infantry... Tbh, as much as i like the idea of using handheld weapons from vehicles it's prolly a mistake to ask for it - it's much more technically complicated than Evicer's proposal and there's the question of whether the CCP's game engine can even handle weapons fire from fast-moving platforms. Evicer's proposal gets the job done and minimizes complications with game balance and performance. So given where we are in development, i vote for LAV only swarm turrets. gg Evicer. Yeah thanks for that bro.Yeah LAV only.No funny stuff. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 222	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:33:00 - [55] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Evicer wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Swarms should be a turret option for all vehicles. No need to even make a new turret, just let us drag and drop infantry swarms to light turret slots. NO...Im not trying to ** off tankers by saying Assault dropships should have this. NO....Im not trying to off Assault dropship pilots, LAV drivers and saying tanks should have this. I've already stated that the LAV would be best suited for this.Its a tin can. The LAV.its light and maneuverable....a light attack vehicle.Also on the LAV the turret op is exposed.Which means he could be taken out.Where as in a Tank he isnt exposed. The LAV is the only and best choice for this. IDK, if one vehicle can do it, all should be able to do it unless it was a new class of LAV, call it "Mobile AA". yeah but bro.Dropships can gain altitude.So its not just an AA platform. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute** Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5020	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:34:00 - [56] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Evicer wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Forge Guns thread isnt about people pulling up to you Forging you ....nope wrong thread But it'd be so awesome to see a Breach Forge Gun on the back of an LAV xD I did dis in 5 minutes with GIMP: http://i.imgur.com/kUgTflT.png Back to reality, I dunno - I think it might throw the balance of AV/Vehicles but considering that Swarm Launchers can't lock onto Infantry... Tbh, as much as i like the idea of using handheld weapons from vehicles it's prolly a mistake to ask for it - it's much more technically complicated than Evicer's proposal and there's the question of whether the CCP's game engine can even handle weapons fire from fast-moving platforms. Evicer's proposal gets the job done and minimizes complications with game balance and performance. So given where we are in development, i vote for LAV only swarm turrets. gg Evicer. Oh, I don't doubt that at all - I'm against the idea myself because of the technicalities behind it. I'd much rather see some other things get much needed fixes than add more problems to the mix But it's fun to imagine Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
IR Scifi Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 112	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:35:00 - [57] - Quote An LAV-only swarm turret would be a good idea. Right now the only real use I tend to see for LAV's is mobile fattie delivery or murder taxi. Wasn't CCP floating around AA turrets way back in the day as well?
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 251	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:36:00 - [58] - Quote Better yet: let's have the ability to use our guns while seated in a LAV to begin with. I always found it rather strange that you have this open-topped vehicle that provides no armor protection to the driver or passengers what so ever yet somehow it's impossible to fire your weapon out from it. The open topped quality would've made more sense if it was there to facilitate passengers shooting out of the vehicle. As it is now it makes no sense at all.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 222	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:37:00 - [59] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Evicer wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Forge Guns thread isnt about people pulling up to you Forging you ....nope wrong thread But it'd be so awesome to see a Breach Forge Gun on the back of an LAV xD I did dis in 5 minutes with GIMP: http://i.imgur.com/kUgTflT.png Back to reality, I dunno - I think it might throw the balance of AV/Vehicles but considering that Swarm Launchers can't lock onto Infantry... Tbh, as much as i like the idea of using handheld weapons from vehicles it's prolly a mistake to ask for it - it's much more technically complicated than Evicer's proposal and there's the question of whether the CCP's game engine can even handle weapons fire from fast-moving platforms. Evicer's proposal gets the job done and minimizes complications with game balance and performance. So given where we are in development, i vote for LAV only swarm turrets. gg Evicer. Oh, I don't doubt that at all - I'm against the idea myself because of the technicalities behind it. I'd much rather see some other things get much needed fixes than add more problems to the mix But it's fun to imagine One of the biggest problems on these forums is things going off topic ....this isnt a thread about Game performance issues.All the code is already there and preexisting. EDIT:This could be done.Easily. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 223	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:41:00 - [60] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Better yet: let's have the ability to use our guns while seated in a LAV to begin with. I always found it rather strange that you have this open-topped vehicle that provides no armor protection to the driver or passengers what so ever yet somehow it's impossible to fire your weapon out from it. The open topped quality would've made more sense if it was there to facilitate passengers shooting out of the vehicle. As it is now it makes no sense at all. Not talking about massive coding or me and 6 guys in a tanked out dropship with all of them having IShukone forges or Assault mass drivers.....this is nothing like that. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist



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