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bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
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Posted - 2014.02.21 00:16:00 -
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OBs should only help a team win a battle, not disproportionately farm War Points. Isn't that enough of a bonus/incentive?
As such, all Kills resulting from an OB should actually be registered as Assists (and Damage) for the squad, since:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2014.02.21 00:19:00 -
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Would equipment kills be awarded to the entire squad as well? Does anybody know if the EMP variant is still around?
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THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
508
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Posted - 2014.02.21 00:21:00 -
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bogeyman m wrote:OBs should only help a team win a battle, not disproportionately farm War Points. Isn't that enough of a bonus/incentive?
As such, all Kills resulting from an OB should actually be registered as Assists (and Damage) for the squad, since:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
B-But then I wouldn't be able to get 65 points every time my squad leader gets an orbital if that happened
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
2757
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Posted - 2014.02.21 00:29:00 -
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bogeyman m wrote:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
Riddle me this, i run solo squads and earn my own OB's so i feel like i deserve to have a kill because i did it all myself without the assistance of other squad members.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
11282
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Posted - 2014.02.21 00:30:00 -
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That's how it should have been all along honestly. If anything you shouldn't even get that, you should just get like 150 WP for calling it in and that's it. You don't need to feed players points for doing well, Orbitals should be more of a tactical asset.
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PO0KY
Virtual Syndicate
360
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Posted - 2014.02.21 00:41:00 -
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I kind of wish Orbitals weren't even in pubs. Seems like it just makes for faster red lines |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
2712
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Posted - 2014.02.21 01:07:00 -
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I had a thread about the same, long ago.
Still true.
+1
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
Lokun Listamenn
3255
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Posted - 2014.02.21 01:11:00 -
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No. I don't care my SL got the WPs. If I want a piece, I tag him with the rep tool to get the Guardian. Or I tap some players in the 0 zone of the OB to get assists. Other than that, the last thing on my mind is why the SL gets all the points. There's bigger fish to fry...
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
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Vegetation Monster
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
156
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Posted - 2014.02.21 01:16:00 -
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They need to stop orbitals in the redline especially when im spawning in to go die on the field!!!
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Bormir1r
WarRavens
League of Infamy
89
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Posted - 2014.02.21 01:24:00 -
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bogeyman m wrote:OBs should only help a team win a battle, not disproportionately farm War Points. Isn't that enough of a bonus/incentive?
As such, all Kills resulting from an OB should actually be registered as Assists (and Damage) for the squad, since:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
Your idea seems ok but there still remain unaswered issues:
If we do follow your plan, who would get the kills, because somebody deserves getting those kills, which should obviously point to the squad leader. It is their skill in calling the orbital that should be rewarded with the kills. There is still an incentive, but not much, and I believe orbitals currently are fine. Also how are the kills indirect? It is clear that the purpose of an orbital to kill.
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Kill Mode Bootcamp
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Posted - 2014.02.21 01:32:00 -
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sounds like a good idea....buuut no. |
bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
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Posted - 2014.02.21 03:13:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:Would equipment kills be awarded to the entire squad as well? Does anybody know if the EMP variant is still around?
That would be consistent. So, yes. |
bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
114
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Posted - 2014.02.21 03:16:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:bogeyman m wrote:OBs should only help a team win a battle, not disproportionately farm War Points. Isn't that enough of a bonus/incentive?
As such, all Kills resulting from an OB should actually be registered as Assists (and Damage) for the squad, since:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
B-But then I wouldn't be able to get 65 points every time my squad leader gets an orbital if that happened
You'd still get 25 WP per Assist, plus whatever Damage WP are earned (if they ever implement that). So your still getting WP bonuses, just slightly less.
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bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
114
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Posted - 2014.02.21 03:17:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:bogeyman m wrote:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
Riddle me this, i run solo squads and earn my own OB's so i feel like i deserve to have a kill because i did it all myself without the assistance of other squad members.
Excellent point. They would need to have a way to accommodate the one-man squad scenario with Kills rather than Assists. |
Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
573
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Posted - 2014.02.21 03:33:00 -
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bogeyman m wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:
Riddle me this, i run solo squads and earn my own OB's so i feel like i deserve to have a kill because i did it all myself without the assistance of other squad members.
Excellent point. They would need to have a way to accommodate the one-man squad scenario with Kills rather than Assists.
They must have changed that, because I tried being a one man squad before, and even when I got 2500 WP I didn't have the option to call in a strike.
I contribute nothing.
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Aaroniero d'Lioncourt
0uter.Heaven
398
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Posted - 2014.02.21 03:36:00 -
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Fck it i hope real air strike missiles, nukes only knock the fk out of people and can wake up later in the day.
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RemingtonBeaver
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
138
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Posted - 2014.02.21 03:36:00 -
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No.
Being squad lead mostly sucks. Thanks to the terrible wheel and trying to keep orders up.
Getting a crap ton of kills from an OB is the payment for doing job only crazy people enjoy.
We can pickle that.
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bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
114
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Posted - 2014.02.21 03:40:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:bogeyman m wrote:OBs should only help a team win a battle, not disproportionately farm War Points. Isn't that enough of a bonus/incentive?
As such, all Kills resulting from an OB should actually be registered as Assists (and Damage) for the squad, since:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
Your idea seems ok but there still remain unaswered issues: If we do follow your plan, who would get the kills, because somebody deserves getting those kills, which should obviously point to the squad leader. It is their skill in calling the orbital that should be rewarded with the kills. There is still an incentive, but not much, and I believe orbitals currently are fine. Also how are the kills indirect? It is clear that the purpose of an orbital to kill.
'Who would get the Kills?'
- No one. War Points would (still) be assigned as Assists, Equipment Destroyed and (if they ever implement it) Damage Done to everyone on the squad.
'Somebody deserves getting those Kills'
- Why? It is a team kill - either everyone gets a Kill or everyone gets an Assist. I think Assists make more sense. (Unless it was a one man squad, as noted earlier.)
Regarding the Squad Leader's 'skill at calling the orbital'
- That's a bit of stretch, but how is that 'skill' more important than, say, the Uplink spamming Logi who likely earned the majority of points required to get the Orbital in the first place, or any other squad member for that matter? Granted, it would probably be fair to assign the Squad Leader an additional 10% WPs for the extra effort in coordination required. |
bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
114
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Posted - 2014.02.21 03:52:00 -
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RemingtonBeaver wrote:No.
Being squad lead mostly sucks. Thanks to the terrible wheel and trying to keep orders up.
Getting a crap ton of kills from an OB is the payment for doing job only crazy people enjoy.
Understood - but those are two different issues. The Squad wheel and the Logi wheel are both sub-optimal and need to be improved. Try being a Logi Squad Leader... |
thecoolest guy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
6
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Posted - 2014.02.21 04:09:00 -
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They should limit the number of orbitals allowed per squad in pub matches. I was just in a match where one guy called in 4 orbitals pretty much back to back to back to back. Totally ridiculous and overkill for a pub domination match. |
Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
Lokun Listamenn
3266
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Posted - 2014.02.21 04:10:00 -
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The problem is self. When you look at it like "what about me, why is he getting all the praise", that's where you fail.
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HYENAKILLER X
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
619
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Posted - 2014.02.21 04:13:00 -
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bogeyman m wrote:OBs should only help a team win a battle, not disproportionately farm War Points. Isn't that enough of a bonus/incentive?
As such, all Kills resulting from an OB should actually be registered as Assists (and Damage) for the squad, since:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
I think the points should go to everyone.
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McFurious
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
638
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Posted - 2014.02.21 05:36:00 -
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I like the idea of OB kills being assists. I don't think an OB should contribute to the squad leader's KD.
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bogeyman m
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
185
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:10:00 -
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Why should kills/points from one OB help earn the next OB?
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4199
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:11:00 -
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bogeyman m wrote:OBs should only help a team win a battle, not disproportionately farm War Points. Isn't that enough of a bonus/incentive?
As such, all Kills resulting from an OB should actually be registered as Assists (and Damage) for the squad, since:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
Orbital kills should go to the eve pilot. Because they are orbital strikes, not warbarge strikes. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
2078
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:19:00 -
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bogeyman m wrote:OBs should only help a team win a battle, not disproportionately farm War Points. Isn't that enough of a bonus/incentive?
As such, all Kills resulting from an OB should actually be registered as Assists (and Damage) for the squad, since:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
Lol
This is as stupid as some mouthbreather not wanting infantry killed by a tank turret to count towards the total number of kills.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
10807
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:20:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:bogeyman m wrote:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
Riddle me this, i run solo squads and earn my own OB's so i feel like i deserve to have a kill because i did it all myself without the assistance of other squad members.
You still didn't get the kill, some giant ship in space (warbarge) did the actual shooting, all you did was point at a map. Not a kill.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
10807
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:21:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:The problem is self. When you look at it like "what about me, why is he getting all the praise", that's where you fail.
That's a cheap excuse that could be used to justify any reward imbalance.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
2078
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:30:00 -
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Arx Ardashir wrote:bogeyman m wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:
Riddle me this, i run solo squads and earn my own OB's so i feel like i deserve to have a kill because i did it all myself without the assistance of other squad members.
Excellent point. They would need to have a way to accommodate the one-man squad scenario with Kills rather than Assists. They must have changed that, because I tried being a one man squad before, and even when I got 2500 WP I didn't have the option to call in a strike.
You need to be in a squad to get the orb. If you earn 300 WP before making your own squad, you'll need a total of 2800 WP to get an orb, because any WP you earned before going into that squad doesn't count towards the orb.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
2078
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:59:00 -
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bogeyman m wrote:RemingtonBeaver wrote:No.
Being squad lead mostly sucks. Thanks to the terrible wheel and trying to keep orders up.
Getting a crap ton of kills from an OB is the payment for doing job only crazy people enjoy. Understood - but those are two different issues. The Squad wheel and the Logi wheel are both sub-optimal and need to be improved. Try being a Logi Squad Leader...
Lol
Try active modules.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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bogeyman m
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
194
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:06:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:bogeyman m wrote:OBs should only help a team win a battle, not disproportionately farm War Points. Isn't that enough of a bonus/incentive?
As such, all Kills resulting from an OB should actually be registered as Assists (and Damage) for the squad, since:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
Orbital kills should go to the eve pilot. Because they are orbital strikes, not warbarge strikes.
That makes sense.
Aaannd we're back to assists for the Dust players.
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:20:00 -
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I think it should count as a kill, but not give you WP at all. Maybe a small amount, make a new category called "Orbital Kill."
It REALLY takes away the incentive to dent your KDR just because you don't like Orbies farming WP.
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bogeyman m
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
194
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:34:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:I think it should count as a kill, but not give you WP at all. Maybe a small amount, make a new category called "Orbital Kill."
It REALLY takes away the incentive to dent your KDR just because you don't like Orbies farming WP.
Actually, I really don't care about who gets credit for kills (check my KDR for proof), it's having one OB directly funding the next that bugs me. Your suggestion would certainly address that issue.
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
758
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:34:00 -
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bogeyman m wrote:OBs should only help a team win a battle, not disproportionately farm War Points. Isn't that enough of a bonus/incentive?
As such, all Kills resulting from an OB should actually be registered as Assists (and Damage) for the squad, since:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
I think it is better to add in kill friendly infantry, as assistants.
Pilots currently too little benefit from the orbital strike, if the kill assigned not personally to him, it will be wrong.
Sorry for bad English =)
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:40:00 -
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bogeyman m wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:I think it should count as a kill, but not give you WP at all. Maybe a small amount, make a new category called "Orbital Kill."
It REALLY takes away the incentive to dent your KDR just because you don't like Orbies farming WP. Actually, I really don't care about who gets credit for kills (check my KDR for proof), it's having one OB directly funding the next that bugs me. Your suggestion would certainly address that issue.
It's part of the power ego trip. Seeing yourself at the top of the killboard because you were squad leader of a good squad.
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bogeyman m
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
194
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:41:00 -
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John Psi wrote:bogeyman m wrote:OBs should only help a team win a battle, not disproportionately farm War Points. Isn't that enough of a bonus/incentive?
As such, all Kills resulting from an OB should actually be registered as Assists (and Damage) for the squad, since:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
I think it is better to add in kill friendly infantry, as assistants. Pilots currently too little benefit from the orbital strike, if the kill assigned not personally to him, it will be wrong.
If you are saying that Pilots should get credit for kills and Infantry get credit for assists (maybe with a small bonus for squad leader), then I agree.
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bogeyman m
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
194
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:47:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:bogeyman m wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:I think it should count as a kill, but not give you WP at all. Maybe a small amount, make a new category called "Orbital Kill."
It REALLY takes away the incentive to dent your KDR just because you don't like Orbies farming WP. Actually, I really don't care about who gets credit for kills (check my KDR for proof), it's having one OB directly funding the next that bugs me. Your suggestion would certainly address that issue. It's part of the power ego trip. Seeing yourself at the top of the killboard because you were squad leader of a good squad.
Right. Maybe the WP/SP bonuses for winning a match need to be increased to balance that out. I've seen more than one match where the losing team had a handful of players with ridiculously high kill counts.
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
759
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Posted - 2014.05.18 16:25:00 -
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bogeyman m wrote:John Psi wrote:
I think it is better to add in kill friendly infantry, as assistants.
Pilots currently too little benefit from the orbital strike, if the kill assigned not personally to him, it will be wrong.
If you are saying that Pilots should get credit for kills and Infantry get credit for assists (maybe with a small bonus for squad leader), then I agree.
Yes, exactly, but every kill must be assigned to the Pilot )))
Sorry for bad English =)
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gauntlet44 LbowDeep
Heaven84 Devils
General Tso's Alliance
37
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Posted - 2014.05.18 17:27:00 -
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McFurious wrote:I like the idea of OB kills being assists. I don't think an OB should contribute to the squad leader's KD.
It's to offset the deaths a squad leader gets cause he gets killed with his wheel out quite often
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