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bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
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Posted - 2014.02.21 00:16:00 -
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OBs should only help a team win a battle, not disproportionately farm War Points. Isn't that enough of a bonus/incentive?
As such, all Kills resulting from an OB should actually be registered as Assists (and Damage) for the squad, since:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
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bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
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Posted - 2014.02.21 03:13:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:Would equipment kills be awarded to the entire squad as well? Does anybody know if the EMP variant is still around?
That would be consistent. So, yes. |
bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
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Posted - 2014.02.21 03:16:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:bogeyman m wrote:OBs should only help a team win a battle, not disproportionately farm War Points. Isn't that enough of a bonus/incentive?
As such, all Kills resulting from an OB should actually be registered as Assists (and Damage) for the squad, since:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
B-But then I wouldn't be able to get 65 points every time my squad leader gets an orbital if that happened 
You'd still get 25 WP per Assist, plus whatever Damage WP are earned (if they ever implement that). So your still getting WP bonuses, just slightly less.
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bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
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Posted - 2014.02.21 03:17:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:bogeyman m wrote:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
Riddle me this, i run solo squads and earn my own OB's so i feel like i deserve to have a kill because i did it all myself without the assistance of other squad members.
Excellent point. They would need to have a way to accommodate the one-man squad scenario with Kills rather than Assists. |
bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
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Posted - 2014.02.21 03:40:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:bogeyman m wrote:OBs should only help a team win a battle, not disproportionately farm War Points. Isn't that enough of a bonus/incentive?
As such, all Kills resulting from an OB should actually be registered as Assists (and Damage) for the squad, since:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
Your idea seems ok but there still remain unaswered issues: If we do follow your plan, who would get the kills, because somebody deserves getting those kills, which should obviously point to the squad leader. It is their skill in calling the orbital that should be rewarded with the kills. There is still an incentive, but not much, and I believe orbitals currently are fine. Also how are the kills indirect? It is clear that the purpose of an orbital to kill.
'Who would get the Kills?'
- No one. War Points would (still) be assigned as Assists, Equipment Destroyed and (if they ever implement it) Damage Done to everyone on the squad.
'Somebody deserves getting those Kills'
- Why? It is a team kill - either everyone gets a Kill or everyone gets an Assist. I think Assists make more sense. (Unless it was a one man squad, as noted earlier.)
Regarding the Squad Leader's 'skill at calling the orbital'
- That's a bit of stretch, but how is that 'skill' more important than, say, the Uplink spamming Logi who likely earned the majority of points required to get the Orbital in the first place, or any other squad member for that matter? Granted, it would probably be fair to assign the Squad Leader an additional 10% WPs for the extra effort in coordination required. |
bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
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Posted - 2014.02.21 03:52:00 -
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RemingtonBeaver wrote:No.
Being squad lead mostly sucks. Thanks to the terrible wheel and trying to keep orders up.
Getting a crap ton of kills from an OB is the payment for doing job only crazy people enjoy.
Understood - but those are two different issues. The Squad wheel and the Logi wheel are both sub-optimal and need to be improved. Try being a Logi Squad Leader... |
bogeyman m
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:10:00 -
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Why should kills/points from one OB help earn the next OB?
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bogeyman m
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:06:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:bogeyman m wrote:OBs should only help a team win a battle, not disproportionately farm War Points. Isn't that enough of a bonus/incentive?
As such, all Kills resulting from an OB should actually be registered as Assists (and Damage) for the squad, since:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
Orbital kills should go to the eve pilot. Because they are orbital strikes, not warbarge strikes.
That makes sense.
Aaannd we're back to assists for the Dust players.
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bogeyman m
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
194
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:34:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:I think it should count as a kill, but not give you WP at all. Maybe a small amount, make a new category called "Orbital Kill."
It REALLY takes away the incentive to dent your KDR just because you don't like Orbies farming WP.
Actually, I really don't care about who gets credit for kills (check my KDR for proof), it's having one OB directly funding the next that bugs me. Your suggestion would certainly address that issue.
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bogeyman m
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
194
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:41:00 -
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John Psi wrote:bogeyman m wrote:OBs should only help a team win a battle, not disproportionately farm War Points. Isn't that enough of a bonus/incentive?
As such, all Kills resulting from an OB should actually be registered as Assists (and Damage) for the squad, since:
a) the whole squad contributed to earning the OB, and
b) any Kills are indirect in nature and, by definition, are actually Assists
I think it is better to add in kill friendly infantry, as assistants. Pilots currently too little benefit from the orbital strike, if the kill assigned not personally to him, it will be wrong.
If you are saying that Pilots should get credit for kills and Infantry get credit for assists (maybe with a small bonus for squad leader), then I agree.
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bogeyman m
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:47:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:bogeyman m wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:I think it should count as a kill, but not give you WP at all. Maybe a small amount, make a new category called "Orbital Kill."
It REALLY takes away the incentive to dent your KDR just because you don't like Orbies farming WP. Actually, I really don't care about who gets credit for kills (check my KDR for proof), it's having one OB directly funding the next that bugs me. Your suggestion would certainly address that issue. It's part of the power ego trip. Seeing yourself at the top of the killboard because you were squad leader of a good squad.
Right. Maybe the WP/SP bonuses for winning a match need to be increased to balance that out. I've seen more than one match where the losing team had a handful of players with ridiculously high kill counts.
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