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would also add diversity to tank battles

remove the cycling ability of hardener in this way. activate an armor hardener and all other armor hardener activate at the same time. and add a side effect for them. by slowing the tank down when active..

gives larger windows of opportunity for av.

and gets rid of perma hardened vehicles.

i dont really use any active modules on my tanks but even so i dont think this is going to do anything but make it an annoyance as it kinda defeats the purpose of an active hardener which is to reduce massive amounts of damage when under heavy fire. for short term durations. making them less suitable for several small encounters.

I am against it. Hardeners are supposed to allow vehicles to perform their jobs without worrying about AV killing them. The problem is that the ratio of uptime to downtime is way off kilter. We need all hardeners to have ~30 seconds of uptime and ~2-2.5 minutes of downtime, and only one hardener per vehicle. The "wave of opportunity" concept means vehicles get a period of time where AV cannot feasibly kill them, and AV get a period of time where they can drive off/kill a vehicle. As AV are far more vulnerable than an AV player, AV should get a much longer window of opportunity.

1. Limit one hardener per vehicle

2. Make all hardeners have the same uptime and cooldown

3. Increase resistance as you go up the tiers.

i would prefer eve capacitors

I am against it. Hardeners are supposed to allow vehicles to perform their jobs without worrying about AV killing them. The problem is that the ratio of uptime to downtime is way off kilter. We need all hardeners to have ~30 seconds of uptime and ~2-2.5 minutes of downtime, and only one hardener per vehicle. The "wave of opportunity" concept means vehicles get a period of time where AV cannot feasibly kill them, and AV get a period of time where they can drive off/kill a vehicle. As AV are far more vulnerable than an AV player, AV should get a much longer window of opportunity.

1. Limit one hardener per vehicle

2. Make all hardeners have the same uptime and cooldown

3. Increase resistance as you go up the tiers.

i would prefer eve capacitors

With capacitors, we could hve sommuch more flexibility.
Instead of 'cycling' hardeners, we could equip 2, run 1(albeit plz at lower %, like 40 for shield) constantly, activating the other when we need it, and a damage mod.
Or, we could run shield booster, dmg mod, and hardener.
If we ran minmatar weapons on caldari tanks, we could permarun shield boosts.(imagine600HP a boost, at a boost every 5 seconds with a skill to decrease time between pulses.(5% a level, bringing it to 3.75 seconds)
Give armor reps a damage threshold- like 3K damage.
Having 2 reps means you can tank 6k damage at a time, but past that they're dropped to 50% efficacy for 30 seconds.
We also could use low slot shield upgrades, such as flux relays and such.

Just nerf hardeners a bit. They're simply too good. People keep trying to come up with convoluted solutions to stacking hardeners when they just need the % reduced.

Currently one hardener makes you really really tough, two makes you invincible.

Change it so one hardener makes you tough, two really tough and three invincible. If you want to be invincible it should cost you.

Nerfing hardeners will just weaken tanks. I'm proposing a player choice to nerf their own hardener or to keep it strong and use their gunners more. My proposal should buff tankers that keep gunners while Nerfing other tankers.

Making tanks weaker was one of the things I had in mind....

Gunnlogis are quite slow compared to maddys, your idea once again only goes to buff the already OP armour tanks

As you all know, at the current state, you can activate a hardener and fire at will. My suggestion is to subtract from active duration for damage expended from large turrets. Numbers at a glance, every 1000 damage subtracts 5 active duration seconds. This would help increase diversity in modules, as well as reward players more for skilling into modules and using modules more wisely.
This would not apply to small turrets. In its own way rewarding tankers to use a crew.

If AV fires at a tank you can activate hardeners and go let your crew kill the AV, or you can activate and run away if you have no crew.

If you harden your vehicle to go into a fight you loose active duration time and create a more risky escape after the battle.

so the railgun will be lol. your runnign a hardner.''thunk'' not any more.

As you all know, at the current state, you can activate a hardener and fire at will. My suggestion is to subtract from active duration for damage expended from large turrets. Numbers at a glance, every 1000 damage subtracts 5 active duration seconds. This would help increase diversity in modules, as well as reward players more for skilling into modules and using modules more wisely.
This would not apply to small turrets. In its own way rewarding tankers to use a crew.

If AV fires at a tank you can activate hardeners and go let your crew kill the AV, or you can activate and run away if you have no crew.

If you harden your vehicle to go into a fight you loose active duration time and create a more risky escape after the battle.