DUST Search - MAV suggestion: light tanks

True Adamance wrote:

Toobar Zoobar wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Toobar Zoobar wrote:

As the current selection of vehicles is getting quit old now and more and more players are starting to get bored with what the game has to offer, this would surely be the appropriate time to introduce some new vehicles. Perhaps something along the lines of the tank destroyers in battlefield which were light tanks that handled well and could move very fast but had the same weapons as the heavy tanks.
I think it would be pretty easy to introduce MAVs analogous to these. They would be almost as nimble as a LAV but had the fire power of the HAV with the HP being about halve way between the two.

That is exactly what I don't want to see done.

Consider that from the MAV's designs we have thus far seen the appear to be armoured personnel carriers.

Perhaps you could consider them to the logistic vehicles, either supporting infantry through reps, scans, spawners, or using Medium Turrets to destroy infantry.

Problem is, there are no medium turrets and until there are we will be stuck with small and large. It would be easier to integrate these sort of vehicles into the game than something that uses a new type of turret. And there is no real need currently for armored personnel carriers. Dropships are pretty much filling that role as it is.

Which is concerning.

I mean the Large Blaster should really be a medium turret.....

I feel that if, and I suggest this often to other players and Devs.

Vehicle balance can only exist where HAV have a defined role. That role should be anti vehicle, so the MAV can have anti infantry as its role.

Than would then mean the MAV could effectively function as a ground based troop mover, spawner vehicle, scanner vehicle for urban combat, and anti infantry bunker.

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Toobar Zoobar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1	Posted - 2014.02.20 01:50:00 - [1] - Quote As the current selection of vehicles is getting quit old now and more and more players are starting to get bored with what the game has to offer, this would surely be the appropriate time to introduce some new vehicles. Perhaps something along the lines of the tank destroyers in battlefield which were light tanks that handled well and could move very fast but had the same weapons as the heavy tanks. I think it would be pretty easy to introduce MAVs analogous to these. They would be almost as nimble as a LAV but had the fire power of the HAV with the HP being about halve way between the two.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7347	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:06:00 - [2] - Quote Toobar Zoobar wrote: As the current selection of vehicles is getting quit old now and more and more players are starting to get bored with what the game has to offer, this would surely be the appropriate time to introduce some new vehicles. Perhaps something along the lines of the tank destroyers in battlefield which were light tanks that handled well and could move very fast but had the same weapons as the heavy tanks. I think it would be pretty easy to introduce MAVs analogous to these. They would be almost as nimble as a LAV but had the fire power of the HAV with the HP being about halve way between the two. That is exactly what I don't want to see done. Consider that from the MAV's designs we have thus far seen the appear to be armoured personnel carriers. Perhaps you could consider them to the logistic vehicles, either supporting infantry through reps, scans, spawners, or using Medium Turrets to destroy infantry. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Toobar Zoobar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:12:00 - [3] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Toobar Zoobar wrote: As the current selection of vehicles is getting quit old now and more and more players are starting to get bored with what the game has to offer, this would surely be the appropriate time to introduce some new vehicles. Perhaps something along the lines of the tank destroyers in battlefield which were light tanks that handled well and could move very fast but had the same weapons as the heavy tanks. I think it would be pretty easy to introduce MAVs analogous to these. They would be almost as nimble as a LAV but had the fire power of the HAV with the HP being about halve way between the two. That is exactly what I don't want to see done. Consider that from the MAV's designs we have thus far seen the appear to be armoured personnel carriers. Perhaps you could consider them to the logistic vehicles, either supporting infantry through reps, scans, spawners, or using Medium Turrets to destroy infantry. Problem is, there are no medium turrets and until there are we will be stuck with small and large. It would be easier to integrate these sort of vehicles into the game than something that uses a new type of turret. And there is no real need currently for armored personnel carriers. Dropships are pretty much filling that role as it is.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7348	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:16:00 - [4] - Quote Toobar Zoobar wrote: True Adamance wrote: Toobar Zoobar wrote: As the current selection of vehicles is getting quit old now and more and more players are starting to get bored with what the game has to offer, this would surely be the appropriate time to introduce some new vehicles. Perhaps something along the lines of the tank destroyers in battlefield which were light tanks that handled well and could move very fast but had the same weapons as the heavy tanks. I think it would be pretty easy to introduce MAVs analogous to these. They would be almost as nimble as a LAV but had the fire power of the HAV with the HP being about halve way between the two. That is exactly what I don't want to see done. Consider that from the MAV's designs we have thus far seen the appear to be armoured personnel carriers. Perhaps you could consider them to the logistic vehicles, either supporting infantry through reps, scans, spawners, or using Medium Turrets to destroy infantry. Problem is, there are no medium turrets and until there are we will be stuck with small and large. It would be easier to integrate these sort of vehicles into the game than something that uses a new type of turret. And there is no real need currently for armored personnel carriers. Dropships are pretty much filling that role as it is. Which is concerning. I mean the Large Blaster should really be a medium turret..... I feel that if, and I suggest this often to other players and Devs. Vehicle balance can only exist where HAV have a defined role. That role should be anti vehicle, so the MAV can have anti infantry as its role. Than would then mean the MAV could effectively function as a ground based troop mover, spawner vehicle, scanner vehicle for urban combat, and anti infantry bunker. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Otavio Martins The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 211	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:26:00 - [5] - Quote Toobar Zoobar wrote: As the current selection of vehicles is getting quit old now and more and more players are starting to get bored with what the game has to offer, this would surely be the appropriate time to introduce some new vehicles. Perhaps something along the lines of the tank destroyers in battlefield which were light tanks that handled well and could move very fast but had the same weapons as the heavy tanks. I think it would be pretty easy to introduce MAVs analogous to these. They would be almost as nimble as a LAV but had the fire power of the HAV with the HP being about halve way between the two. the mav would be better as a support vehicle and as an AA/AP/LAV killer RC-1087 Star Wars Fan. Please gimme some ISK.
Toobar Zoobar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:27:00 - [6] - Quote I would like to see an MAV that is specifically intended to take down HAVs. It could out maneuver them. if it was weak enough than anyone driving it would think twice about engaging inconspicuous infantry. might work might not, i'm just bored with whats currently on offer.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7350	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:40:00 - [7] - Quote Toobar Zoobar wrote: I would like to see an MAV that is specifically intended to take down HAVs. It could out maneuver them. if it was weak enough than anyone driving it would think twice about engaging inconspicuous infantry. might work might not, i'm just bored with whats currently on offer. You see this is the issue. No smaller vehicle should be better at Anti HAV than HAV. HAV should for all intensive purposes represent the pinnacle of ground based anti vehicle power. My ideal model of vehicles would be the following. LAV- Light scouting, cheap and disposable, fast but lightly armoured. Low ISK and SP investment. MAV- The balance between armour, speed, and fire power. Able to support infantry in combat. Moderate ISK, SP investment HAV- Pinnacle of ground base vehicles. Lacking anti infantry fire power besides its small turrets, the HAV is the strongest AV presence on the field, combining high durability, large fire power, mobility to present a mobile bastion. High ISK and SP investment. I see no reason any one in future would have to complain about in regards to vehicles under that model. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Toobar Zoobar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:49:00 - [8] - Quote idk. But I have seen it work in battlefield which is a good analog to this game. Will CCP Shanghai ever introduce MAVs or even medium turrets? in the foreseeable future, highly doubtful. The game as it is still has dozens of problems.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1723	Posted - 2014.02.20 03:27:00 - [9] - Quote Toobar Zoobar wrote: I would like to see an MAV that is specifically intended to take down HAVs. It could out maneuver them. if it was weak enough than anyone driving it would think twice about engaging inconspicuous infantry. might work might not, i'm just bored with whats currently on offer. It wouldn't, due to how our turrets work. You'll be killed before the tank does. Only reason why it works IRK and in BF3 is because tank destroyers have **** tank. (fun fact: tank destroyers used to have really tough armor in the WWII days, and were huge as **) 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1723	Posted - 2014.02.20 03:29:00 - [10] - Quote Toobar Zoobar wrote: idk. But I have seen it work in battlefield which is a good analog to this game. Will CCP Shanghai ever introduce MAVs or even medium turrets? in the foreseeable future, highly doubtful. The game as it is still has dozens of problems. in the next 2 years, most likely it'll be out with tech 2 versions of it. Medium turrets will come along side the MAV, and the MAV from concept pictures has a medium turret, and a small on top. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-

Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1723	Posted - 2014.02.20 03:34:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Toobar Zoobar wrote: True Adamance wrote: Toobar Zoobar wrote: As the current selection of vehicles is getting quit old now and more and more players are starting to get bored with what the game has to offer, this would surely be the appropriate time to introduce some new vehicles. Perhaps something along the lines of the tank destroyers in battlefield which were light tanks that handled well and could move very fast but had the same weapons as the heavy tanks. I think it would be pretty easy to introduce MAVs analogous to these. They would be almost as nimble as a LAV but had the fire power of the HAV with the HP being about halve way between the two. That is exactly what I don't want to see done. Consider that from the MAV's designs we have thus far seen the appear to be armoured personnel carriers. Perhaps you could consider them to the logistic vehicles, either supporting infantry through reps, scans, spawners, or using Medium Turrets to destroy infantry. Problem is, there are no medium turrets and until there are we will be stuck with small and large. It would be easier to integrate these sort of vehicles into the game than something that uses a new type of turret. And there is no real need currently for armored personnel carriers. Dropships are pretty much filling that role as it is. Which is concerning. I mean the Large Blaster should really be a medium turret..... I feel that if, and I suggest this often to other players and Devs. Vehicle balance can only exist where HAV have a defined role. That role should be anti vehicle, so the MAV can have anti infantry as its role. Than would then mean the MAV could effectively function as a ground based troop mover, spawner vehicle, scanner vehicle for urban combat, and anti infantry bunker. Blaster is fine as a large turret, just is imbalanced one. needs more alpha, less DPS, and less tracking. medium blaster could have a fast fire rate, and less damage than the large ones (50-80 damage), with a slight spray (not much, just a little). 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 981	Posted - 2014.02.20 03:42:00 - [12] - Quote We need Amarr & Minmatar vehicles/turrets/installations before they introduce any new vehicle type. When they're finally ready to add more I expect speeder bikes to be next. They wont affect game balance very much, and simply aid mobility, will probably be fast, weak, cheap, and likely not even armed. Best PvE idea ever!


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