DUST Search - If 1.8 Is Perfect...

Vrain Matari wrote:

Philipp Achtel wrote:

Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:

N1ck Comeau wrote:

Improved FPS mechanics.

More eve integration.

Why does everybody think the FPS mechanics are broken? I just played Titanfall. Switched back to Dust. Don't notice a ******* difference.

I want PvE btw. This could tie in perfectly with more Eve integration. Defending PIs from Drones for example.

People seem to equate "more weapons and vehicles" with "core FPS mechanics".

Honestly, after 1.8 comes out, ccp needs to take a step back from trying to add new gameplay elements, and work on adding more gameplay modes.

'Core FPS mechanics' means many things to many peeps, apparently - we could go ask all those reviewers who gave DUST crappy reviews what they meant by core FPS mechanics.

I see peeps saying that CCP has been focusing on the core for a year now and that it's time to move on to higher-level content - but to me the real answer to when the time to move on will be is when we are sure that DUST will get good reviews and reviewers stop using words like 'cumbersome', 'clunky' and 'merely sub-par FPS'.

-Aim acceleration Pay attention to the Borderlands curve, since that's Unreal 3, and note the abrupt jump in rotation speed for early rotation.
-Smoothing
-Frame rate
-Controller input lag.
-Terrain interaction
-Object collision
-Slowdown-under-fire
-Lack of customization for controls
-Dysfunctional comms
-KB/M controls
-Lag
-Heavy-handed Aim Assist(CCP is currently using the generic Unreal 3 AA tools)
-Mini-map lag.

These would be what most peeps would call 'Core FPS mechanics' along with other important 'feel' features like weapon switching,grenade mechanics, ADS transition, jumping, melee, crouching etc.

So in looking at that list, what is it exactly that CCP has spent the past year focussing on?

We are now back on a longer patch cycle. If 1.8 is a great patch what i want to see in 1.9 is

1) Voice comms working flawlessly, not affecting framerate or lag and with full MAG functionality.
2) Slowdown-under-fire removed(replaced with something appropriate would be ideal, but removed for sure).
3) Web grenades and a hardener-stacking duty cycle nerf(tho this should be in 1.8)
4) Good raw aiming with DS3(no AA) and raw input for KB/M.
4) Aim Assist iteratively and conservatively calibrated based on point 4 above.
5) Customizable controls for DS3 and KB/M.
6) Internal player market.
7) FW match generation and rewards fixed.
8) PC lag fixed.
9) A serious scientific reevaluation of the matchmaker variables.
10) Race infantry lineups finished - pistols, smg's, knives, sniper rifles, launchers, heavy AI weapons, heavy AV weapons.

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IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 469	Posted - 2014.02.22 12:42:00 - [31] - Quote More players CCP Logibro is awesome.
J'Hiera Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 58	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:08:00 - [32] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: There is no way 1.8 will have item trading. I wonder if its a decision thing, or if its a coding obstacle thing. Either way, These are MY wishes, but I would love for 1.9 to be the big PvE update. Introduce industry, and more EVE universe related stuff. Theft contracts, where you attack a player's Planetary installations to steal their resources for an EVE player (or dust players, for industry.) Corp battles (as in within corp fighting. Testing squad setups, in-corp events etc.) Content, basically. Adding more flavor. Also, please let us watch more EVE videos throuh the Neocom. Particularily EVE Origins and perhaps the latest EVE trailer. And maybe the various racial introductions for later. Helps explaining guests coming over what the EVE universe is about.
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 296	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:35:00 - [33] - Quote PVe.....all racial vehicles....amarr and minmatar turrets.....racial heavy weapons Real heavies use lasers
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 133	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:37:00 - [34] - Quote Better NPE. Marketplace. More Amarrian Stuff. Tiericide. Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 219	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:45:00 - [35] - Quote Philipp Achtel wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Improved FPS mechanics. More eve integration. Why does everybody think the FPS mechanics are broken? I just played Titanfall. Switched back to Dust. Don't notice a ******* difference. I want PvE btw. This could tie in perfectly with more Eve integration. Defending PIs from Drones for example. People seem to equate "more weapons and vehicles" with "core FPS mechanics". Honestly, after 1.8 comes out, ccp needs to take a step back from trying to add new gameplay elements, and work on adding more gameplay modes. oh new game modes would be sweet
Zaaeed Massani Zincress 13	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:00:00 - [36] - Quote PvE, playable both solo and in a squad. For example, allow EVE players to post contracts to raid installations...we fulfill the contracts, they get raw materials or what have you, and we get paid in ISK and possibly some amount of bonus SP. We ARE mercenaries, after all. New Game Modes, preferably some small-scale, squad-based tactical PvP as well as large-scale game modes that allow and encourage use of the entire map.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1309	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:04:00 - [37] - Quote Croned wrote: If 1.8 balances infantry weapons and AV/tanks perfectly, releases the new sidearms/dropsuits/cloaker as well-balanced. and gives us some much anticipated content like item trading, what will you do and what do you want to see in 1.9? If this happens and the core game mechanics aren't addressed it will be for limited success.. If people are still getting Sub 10 Frames per Second.. Fatal errors, Hard Freezes, Mic glitches, Massive unbalanced matchmaking, Rubber banding, Server update problems, Hitdetection issues.. Terrible entry point for new players... Then this patch and content release is just for the people playing DUST right now.. and some that might come back for a few hours then return on what they where playing. I would call this patch more of an attempt for a tribute to the players still here. But not "Fixing" DUST in anyway that was actually needed.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1687	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:16:00 - [38] - Quote A trading system of some sort (doesn't have to be market, just "hey, here's some stuff I'd like to give you!") and the remaining heavy weapons are what I want most after 1.8. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Yeeeuuuupppp KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 113	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:40:00 - [39] - Quote Don't get your hopes up. It's in CCP's nature to **** New things up.. My Minnie is friendly.. don't worry, I don't bite. I slash. Novice incubus pilot. Feel the wrath of my troll.
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 128	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:41:00 - [40] - Quote CCp will probobly mess something up.... I think I'm the only person still waiting for mechs/giant robot killing machines..... dangCCPyourslowpickupthepace

lithkul devant Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 143	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:48:00 - [41] - Quote If CCP actually gets 1.8 right with no bugs or issues I will do the Mexican hat dance or continue to buy from CCP rather then following my resolution to drastically cut down my spending habit.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1648	Posted - 2014.02.22 16:06:00 - [42] - Quote Philipp Achtel wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Improved FPS mechanics. More eve integration. Why does everybody think the FPS mechanics are broken? I just played Titanfall. Switched back to Dust. Don't notice a ******* difference. I want PvE btw. This could tie in perfectly with more Eve integration. Defending PIs from Drones for example. People seem to equate "more weapons and vehicles" with "core FPS mechanics". Honestly, after 1.8 comes out, ccp needs to take a step back from trying to add new gameplay elements, and work on adding more gameplay modes. 'Core FPS mechanics' means many things to many peeps, apparently - we could go ask all those reviewers who gave DUST crappy reviews what they meant by core FPS mechanics. I see peeps saying that CCP has been focusing on the core for a year now and that it's time to move on to higher-level content - but to me the real answer to when the time to move on will be is when we are sure that DUST will get good reviews and reviewers stop using words like 'cumbersome', 'clunky' and 'merely sub-par FPS'. -Aim acceleration -Smoothing -Frame rate -Controller input lag. -Terrain interaction -Object collision -Slowdown-under-fire -Lack of customization for controls -Dysfunctional comms -KB/M controls -Lag -Heavy-handed Aim Assist(CCP is currently using the generic Unreal 3 AA tools) -Mini-map lag. These would be what most peeps would call 'Core FPS mechanics' along with other important 'feel' features like weapon switching,grenade mechanics, ADS transition, jumping, melee, crouching etc. So in looking at that list, what is it exactly that CCP has spent the past year focussing on? We are now back on a longer patch cycle. If 1.8 is a great patch what i want to see in 1.9 is 1) Voice comms working flawlessly, not affecting framerate or lag and with full MAG functionality. 2) Slowdown-under-fire removed(replaced with something appropriate would be ideal, but removed for sure). 3) Web grenades and a hardener-stacking duty cycle nerf(tho this should be in 1.8) 4) Good raw aiming with DS3(no AA) and raw input for KB/M. 4) Aim Assist iteratively and conservatively calibrated based on point 4 above. 5) Customizable controls for DS3 and KB/M. 6) Internal player market. 7) FW match generation and rewards fixed. 8) PC lag fixed. 9) A serious scientific reevaluation of the matchmaker variables. 10) Race infantry lineups finished - pistols, smg's, knives, sniper rifles, launchers, heavy AI weapons, heavy AV weapons. I support SP rollover.
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 454	Posted - 2014.02.22 16:11:00 - [43] - Quote Racial content like vehicles and heavy weapons PvE list could go on and on but I'm lazy... I will show you fear in a handful of dust. 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 610	Posted - 2014.02.22 16:34:00 - [44] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Philipp Achtel wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Improved FPS mechanics. More eve integration. Why does everybody think the FPS mechanics are broken? I just played Titanfall. Switched back to Dust. Don't notice a ******* difference. I want PvE btw. This could tie in perfectly with more Eve integration. Defending PIs from Drones for example. People seem to equate "more weapons and vehicles" with "core FPS mechanics". Honestly, after 1.8 comes out, ccp needs to take a step back from trying to add new gameplay elements, and work on adding more gameplay modes. 'Core FPS mechanics' means many things to many peeps, apparently - we could go ask all those reviewers who gave DUST crappy reviews what they meant by core FPS mechanics. I see peeps saying that CCP has been focusing on the core for a year now and that it's time to move on to higher-level content - but to me the real answer to when the time to move on will be is when we are sure that DUST will get good reviews and reviewers stop using words like 'cumbersome', 'clunky' and 'merely sub-par FPS'. -Aim acceleration Pay attention to the Borderlands curve, since that's Unreal 3, and note the abrupt jump in rotation speed for early rotation. -Smoothing -Frame rate -Controller input lag. -Terrain interaction -Object collision -Slowdown-under-fire -Lack of customization for controls -Dysfunctional comms -KB/M controls -Lag -Heavy-handed Aim Assist(CCP is currently using the generic Unreal 3 AA tools) -Mini-map lag. These would be what most peeps would call 'Core FPS mechanics' along with other important 'feel' features like weapon switching,grenade mechanics, ADS transition, jumping, melee, crouching etc. So in looking at that list, what is it exactly that CCP has spent the past year focussing on? We are now back on a longer patch cycle. If 1.8 is a great patch what i want to see in 1.9 is 1) Voice comms working flawlessly, not affecting framerate or lag and with full MAG functionality. 2) Slowdown-under-fire removed(replaced with something appropriate would be ideal, but removed for sure). 3) Web grenades and a hardener-stacking duty cycle nerf(tho this should be in 1.8) 4) Good raw aiming with DS3(no AA) and raw input for KB/M. 4) Aim Assist iteratively and conservatively calibrated based on point 4 above. 5) Customizable controls for DS3 and KB/M. 6) Internal player market. 7) FW match generation and rewards fixed. 8) PC lag fixed. 9) A serious scientific reevaluation of the matchmaker variables. 10) Race infantry lineups finished - pistols, smg's, knives, sniper rifles, launchers, heavy AI weapons, heavy AV weapons. So how do I give a post a +2 or more? I honestly thing that people would be fine if CCP implemented player trading instead of new content right now.If anyone has ever played Tera,they do it perfectly without upsetting their market,because it self corrects.I think we are all sick of having items in our inventory that we either find useless,and just don't want,but this is more than likely an obvious ploy from CCP.Give you plenty of stuff that you either don't want or need,and somewhere down the line,you will eventually spec into it and use it anyway.These carrot on a stick tactics seem to be common place with them now, There's absolutely,without a shadow of a doubt in my mind,that 1.8 will be a complete and utter clusterf**k,therefore,I will have my PS4 by then,playing the new Metal Gear and iNFamous games.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 519	Posted - 2014.02.22 17:02:00 - [45] - Quote Unless CCP doesn't touch something that breaks the game, maybe ,just maybe there's still hope *cries because there always "something" A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3146	Posted - 2014.02.22 20:17:00 - [46] - Quote Cosmetics Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Buwaro Draemon Science For Death 135	Posted - 2014.02.22 21:12:00 - [47] - Quote I want bigger maps and a new freaking game mode. Getting tired of playing the same poop all over again.
ConantheCimmerian Terrestrial Suppression Force Lokun Listamenn 21	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:41:00 - [48] - Quote thesupertman wrote: CCp will probobly mess something up.... Titanfall? Alt-ConanTheArmored Eve Pilot-The Black Corsair
Rodd of Nor Nor Clan Combat Logistics 36	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:16:00 - [49] - Quote First and foremost I would love some PvE after that Im actually pumped about the medium ground vehicles... makes me think of APCs I will definitely be interested in both of these in a big way. Good OP by the way nice to see something positive here thanks. It is better to be thought an idiot, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Thorn Badblood Dust2Dust. Top Men. 133	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:02:00 - [50] - Quote I might reinstall the game but I doubt it. D2D. A Non-Prophet Organization

Onesimus Tarsus Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1407	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:08:00 - [51] - Quote More tanks. Oodles. Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 164	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:22:00 - [52] - Quote i lol'ed at the topic u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 541	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:00:00 - [53] - Quote We need all racial weapons, equipment,modules, vehicles, vehicle mods and turrets in game. The patch work balancing attempts need to come to an end. CCPs priory needs to be this foundational content IMHO. Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Roll with the punches instead of QQing


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