DUST Search - Skill direction question for a budding logibro

Artificer Ghost wrote:

REs are definitely fun, yea, but let me give you my honest opinion.

Each Logistics in 1.8 will be good at their different roles, and other roles that they accidentally fill. But above all others, for just Logistics work, the Caldari will be the most well-rounded and helpful Logistics, given that your teammates aren't complete fools.

The Minmatar MAY have a Repair Tool bonus, but it's ONLY a Repair Tool. What is a M-Logi going to fit? 4 Repair Tools? No. But if you do otherwise, you're only reaching max effectiveness on the field 1/4th of the time (assuming you use all equipment equally). It'll be a good Heavy-Hugger, and during a siege it will definitely be the most helpful. But looking at the Caldari, it just won't be as good.

The Minmatar only has a bonus to repairing armor. And people, I feel, have looked at the Caldari and said "Oh, a resupply bonus? Laaaame". The bonus doesn't say Resupply. It says Nanohives. There are Triage Nanohives. It'll be the most well-rounded logistics because it has rep bonuses AS WELL AS resupply bonuses. And of course, it's not a bonus that's like "Repairs More Every Cycle", so it's not a Rep Bonus as straight-forward as the Minmatar's, but it DOES say it has a resupply rate bonus (this counts Armor Repairing cycle time), which means it might not repair more per cycle, but it repairs faster by increasing the rate of repair. Again, in any moving activity, the Caldari Logistics won't be as useful, as Nanohives are obviously stationary, however in a still firefight, a Caldari Logistics can go a long way towards keeping your team alive and well-fed with ammunition. Just something to consider there. An all-rep fit is terrible, but no one ever laughs at an all-hive fit (until you need to revive, but just fit a Nanite Injector and you're good to go).

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Altus Nox FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 0	Posted - 2014.02.19 21:41:00 - [1] - Quote Relatiively new player here (about a month in). Absolutely love DUST. I am definitely a logi through and through and have been working towards lvl 3 Min logi command. I have the necessary SP to skill into it but I'm not sure if its the right thing at this point (1.3 MIL SP overall). My play style is more of a role player right now. Start as a TAC logi, throwing links and rezzing people till the team get set up on a point then I'll go as a full Medic keeping everyone full HP and ammo. I also seem to be one of the few who will go AV when HAVs and DSs roll in. With the current OP of the vehicle hardners and their seeming invincibility for a noob like me (getting tired of bouncing FG shots off of tanks with my HVY militia build), I am sorely tempted to use all the hard earned SP I have to skill into RE, SL and Flux grenades to run an AV logi build instead of lumbering out as easy target in a militia HVY. Just looking for a wise aged vet to give some direction here. Stay the course as a true logibro? Or rush off on a tangent and build up a third role for my logi to fill? Much appreciated. -Nox Edit: grammar -Omnes una manet Nox (The same night awaits us all)
Artificer Ghost Learning Coalition College 1260	Posted - 2014.02.19 22:54:00 - [2] - Quote I'd say stay as is. Being an omnisoldier WILL make you more adaptable, but it also makes you weaker. It's not good to be a jack of all trades but a master of none. I suggest you read "The Logi Code". It's an excellent guide to starting Logistics that I couldn't suggest enough. :D ~Art, CEO and DoE at Learning Coalition College, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition Maken Tosch = 1000th Like!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 9763	Posted - 2014.02.19 23:22:00 - [3] - Quote Go full medic. Skilling REs, fluxes, etc won't do you much good when the tank spam truly sets in unless you have a squad doing the same thing, and even then they'll need support. You get some wonderful logibro things at the higher tiers. At level 5, your rep tool can lock onto two people at once. Your nanite injector will revive people with almost full health. Your hives will keep everyone resupplied and heal them too. Your scanner will keep people permanently painted. Your uplinks will keep everyone in the fight. There's a lot to be said for being a pure logi. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
OMNES NOX FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 0	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:14:00 - [4] - Quote Artificer. Been through The Logi Code and most of Fox's guides. I'd be lost without them. CCP just kind throws you into it that's for sure. Arkena. That's what I was leaning towards. Still getting those REs soon though. Kind of fits my play style when I'm grinding solo. Hopefully they will adjust the hardeners in 1.8 to make tanks more balanced or up the prices. Thanks for the input. -Nox
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 482	Posted - 2014.02.20 03:21:00 - [5] - Quote CORE SKILLS FIRST. THEN WEAPON. THEN SUIT. That said, I would wait until 1.8 drops before spending many SP -- the changes will certainly affect gameplay (and your choices) going forward.
RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 557	Posted - 2014.02.20 03:36:00 - [6] - Quote Currently I would follow Leadfoot10's advice as well as the changes coming in 1.8 (and I assume 1.9) make it difficult to fully embrace any particular logi suit. After the changes drop we will certainly revisit the dropsuit subject. RE's are fun and can be an effective piece of equipment. As they are I would not push past the initial level as spamming more and shorter fuse time hardly justify all the sp needed for those levels - believe me I've done it and still regret the investment. 3 mines will kill most any thing and are generally enough to guard a location. The higher levels work for scouts and LAVSuicide runs against tanks - but that is not our calling as logibros. Our job is to make sure the bomber's lav is full and that he is resupplied should he survive. The Logi Code. The Path of the Logibro
Artificer Ghost Learning Coalition College 1261	Posted - 2014.02.20 04:10:00 - [7] - Quote REs are definitely fun, yea, but let me give you my honest opinion. Each Logistics in 1.8 will be good at their different roles, and other roles that they accidentally fill. But above all others, for just Logistics work, the Caldari will be the most well-rounded and helpful Logistics, given that your teammates aren't complete fools. The Minmatar MAY have a Repair Tool bonus, but it's ONLY a Repair Tool. What is a M-Logi going to fit? 4 Repair Tools? No. But if you do otherwise, you're only reaching max effectiveness on the field 1/4th of the time (assuming you use all equipment equally). It'll be a good Heavy-Hugger, and during a siege it will definitely be the most helpful. But looking at the Caldari, it just won't be as good. The Minmatar only has a bonus to repairing armor. And people, I feel, have looked at the Caldari and said "Oh, a resupply bonus? Laaaame". The bonus doesn't say Resupply. It says Nanohives. There are Triage Nanohives. It'll be the most well-rounded logistics because it has rep bonuses AS WELL AS resupply bonuses. And of course, it's not a bonus that's like "Repairs More Every Cycle", so it's not a Rep Bonus as straight-forward as the Minmatar's, but it DOES say it has a resupply rate bonus (this counts Armor Repairing cycle time), which means it might not repair more per cycle, but it repairs faster by increasing the rate of repair. Again, in any moving activity, the Caldari Logistics won't be as useful, as Nanohives are obviously stationary, however in a still firefight, a Caldari Logistics can go a long way towards keeping your team alive and well-fed with ammunition. Just something to consider there. An all-rep fit is terrible, but no one ever laughs at an all-hive fit (until you need to revive, but just fit a Nanite Injector and you're good to go). The Gallente is being designed as an E-War Logistics. I like this, kind of, but at the same time I feel like a Scanner would better be used on a Scout. But that's another discussion for another day. Right now, Quantum Scanners OR Focused Scanners on that G-Logi. Because the Gallente Logistics has 4 Equipment Slots (everyone else has 3 except the Minmatar), it can fit all of its Triage Equipment ALONG WITH a Scanner (a fit I already use). Also, with the upcoming nerf to Active Scanners, Gallente Logistics will be the only one to use them even close to 1.7 levels. It's also keeping it's bonus from 1.7 (but it's being moved to the Role Bonus), meaning it's not being hit as hard with the nerf bat, in terms of bonuses. Everyone lost passive reps and a racial bonus, the Gallente only lost passive reps, and is sharing its racial with everyone else. Amarr is going to be, undoubtedly, the best sniper. It has a sidearm, bonuses to uplinks, and has 3 Equipment Slots, meaning Uplinks, Rep Hive, Standard Hive. Of course, you COULD use it for placing valuable spawn points in highly-valued tactical locations, so your teammates can spawn in and hit the enemy where it hurts. But who needs that when you can use a Thale's? :D ~Art, CEO and DoE at Learning Coalition College, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition Maken Tosch = 1000th Like!
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 40	Posted - 2014.02.20 05:38:00 - [8] - Quote Nanohive also shares the same skillset as injectors so you are getting two equipment types for the price of one. A lot of advice for reppers is about figuring out when to supply fire support or rep. Basically the more of your team that is firing the less you need to and can concentrate on repping. The Caladri bonus is good but is 3 sets of speed up nanohives better then 4 sets of normal ones? Gallente bonus is best in a squad. For me in the present game I am a noob playing scout/logi. Either start with scout and uplinks or mini logi with hacker module and REs (place them and then do a quick hack). Later resupply outfit then a injector/rep/hive if there is a heavy around I also go MLT forge and try and ping armour and dropships.
Altus Nox FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 0	Posted - 2014.02.20 12:56:00 - [9] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: REs are definitely fun, yea, but let me give you my honest opinion. Each Logistics in 1.8 will be good at their different roles, and other roles that they accidentally fill. But above all others, for just Logistics work, the Caldari will be the most well-rounded and helpful Logistics, given that your teammates aren't complete fools. The Minmatar MAY have a Repair Tool bonus, but it's ONLY a Repair Tool. What is a M-Logi going to fit? 4 Repair Tools? No. But if you do otherwise, you're only reaching max effectiveness on the field 1/4th of the time (assuming you use all equipment equally). It'll be a good Heavy-Hugger, and during a siege it will definitely be the most helpful. But looking at the Caldari, it just won't be as good. The Minmatar only has a bonus to repairing armor. And people, I feel, have looked at the Caldari and said "Oh, a resupply bonus? Laaaame". The bonus doesn't say Resupply. It says Nanohives. There are Triage Nanohives. It'll be the most well-rounded logistics because it has rep bonuses AS WELL AS resupply bonuses. And of course, it's not a bonus that's like "Repairs More Every Cycle", so it's not a Rep Bonus as straight-forward as the Minmatar's, but it DOES say it has a resupply rate bonus (this counts Armor Repairing cycle time), which means it might not repair more per cycle, but it repairs faster by increasing the rate of repair. Again, in any moving activity, the Caldari Logistics won't be as useful, as Nanohives are obviously stationary, however in a still firefight, a Caldari Logistics can go a long way towards keeping your team alive and well-fed with ammunition. Just something to consider there. An all-rep fit is terrible, but no one ever laughs at an all-hive fit (until you need to revive, but just fit a Nanite Injector and you're good to go). I'm assuming that racial bonuses are in respect to your original race selection and are only effective if you are wearing the corresponding races dropsuit. i.e. My main is of the minimatar race and I wear minmatar logi suits. Is that correct? Those Caldari bonuses sound intriguing but at this point I think I've skilled to far into the Minmatar tree. -Nox -Omnes una manet Nox (The same night awaits us all)
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2060	Posted - 2014.02.20 14:25:00 - [10] - Quote I am primarily a support/tactical logi. I love being an omnisoldier though, it's damn fun and keeps things from getting monotonous. BUT, I had the advantage of having started in beta where there was less protostomping and with 24mil SP or whatever I have now, it works fine. I gimped myself early on but in the end it paid off. I don' t think I'd suggest that route for a new player now, though. The NPE is pretty harsh these days. Here are my suggestions, starting with absolutely reading Redbleach's logi code, that wou "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!

Altus Nox FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 1	Posted - 2014.02.20 15:12:00 - [11] - Quote Demonsbane. I went ADV RR first then ADV dropsuits. Haven't had the time to run the new suit much yet but I have the feeling I won't use it much now anyway. FW is only an option if I'm running with a certain few guys from my Corp. Shayz's guide is another great source. Thanks for that. -Nox -Omnes una manet Nox (The same night awaits us all)
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2064	Posted - 2014.02.20 15:17:00 - [12] - Quote Altus Nox wrote: Demonsbane. I went ADV RR first then ADV dropsuits. Haven't had the time to run the new suit much yet but I have the feeling I won't use it much now anyway. FW is only an option if I'm running with a certain few guys from my Corp. Shayz's guide is another great source. Thanks for that. -Nox Definitely don't use the ADV suit, it's not worth it if you can't put better modules on it. The only reason to skill up to level 3 is to apply the bonus to the basic suit. I never use my proto suit but the level 5 bonus is pretty sweet. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 512	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:08:00 - [13] - Quote First, welcome fellow logibro! Second, definitely skill into core. Core is a MUST for ANY player. Core skills (armor to 5, shield to 5, engineering/electronics at least to 3 in both) My logi is decked out for full support and in that suit, I'm so loaded for my team carrying ALL THE THINGS \o/ that REs don't go anywhere near my support suits. I did create one a while back as I was just playing with other EQ I could bring onto the field and it was fun but I've had tons more success with my scout and REs because of their dampeners and speed. And when I say tons more, I mean 5000% more success. Minlogis are the fast of the logis, but we still are bulky and easily seen on every scanner, and some of us are greatly slowed especially since some of us stack plates to survive firefights to support the team. I imagine if you dropped a kincat and a few dampeners on the min instead it would be speedy but stealth is not really the matari forte.. but doesn't mean you can't try it! Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
Lanius Pulvis Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 154	Posted - 2014.02.20 22:12:00 - [14] - Quote You've already gotten plenty of great advice, so I'll limit mine to this. Keep in mind the diminishing return on investment! What I mean is, as a new/low SP player, up to level 3 of almost every skill is a decent deal. Level 4 & 5 however offer much lower gains per SP spent. If it's a choice between getting level 4 in a skill, or getting levels 1, 2 and 3 in another you know you want/need....well, sometimes you have to make a tough choice. Stick with it though, and welcome logibro. Not new, just new to you.
Artificer Ghost Learning Coalition College 1266	Posted - 2014.02.21 00:45:00 - [15] - Quote Altus Nox wrote: [I'm assuming that racial bonuses are in respect to your original race selection and are only effective if you are wearing the corresponding races dropsuit. i.e. My main is of the minimatar race and I wear minmatar logi suits. Is that correct? -Nox That is not correct. I have Caldari Assault Level 1 (noting I'm Gallente), and I still get a 5% Shield Bonus. :D ~Art, CEO and DoE at Learning Coalition College, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition Maken Tosch = 1000th Like!
Altus Nox FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 1	Posted - 2014.02.21 12:54:00 - [16] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Altus Nox wrote: [I'm assuming that racial bonuses are in respect to your original race selection and are only effective if you are wearing the corresponding races dropsuit. i.e. My main is of the minimatar race and I wear minmatar logi suits. Is that correct? -Nox That is not correct. I have Caldari Assault Level 1 (noting I'm Gallente), and I still get a 5% Shield Bonus. :D Now that opens up all kinds of possibilities! Great to know. -Nox -Omnes una manet Nox (The same night awaits us all)
Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 201	Posted - 2014.02.25 02:12:00 - [17] - Quote My Minmatar Logi is being massacred post 1.8. You'll see me defecting to either the Caldari or the Gallente Scout. Passive Scans WILL be king soon, that's all I know. Have you seen the new recharge times for the active scanners? Hell no. GTFOut of here with that****.
I do SUCK RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 48	Posted - 2014.02.25 03:36:00 - [18] - Quote First thing you need to do is leave faction warfare army and that is it "and join a learning corp" Scouts May we forever live in infamy And find our way into the darkness no matter how difficult the road -Matticus monk
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2607	Posted - 2014.02.25 18:10:00 - [19] - Quote I am glad you found my guides helpful. I am satisfied with the advice you have already received in this thread. As Art said the racial bonus is tied to your racial suit skill level in whatever race of suit you skill into, and not to your characterGÇÖs actual race. It is important at this particularly time to realize that many people will judge what the Logi suits will be like in 1.8 in comparison to how they are now. Now does not apply to 1.8. If there is a particular type of equipment you like best, it is a reasonable choice to skill into the suit that has the bonus for that type of equipment. It does not mean that a Nano Hive on a Min Logi suit will not be useful. It just will not be as good as the same Nano Hive set by a Caldari suit, just as a Standard Nano Hive is not as good as a Proto Nano Hive, but if I am running out of ammo I am not going to turn my nose up at a Standard Nano Hive now am I? Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
Thrydwulf Khodan DUST University 67	Posted - 2014.02.26 14:46:00 - [20] - Quote Altus Nox wrote: Artificer Ghost wrote: REs are definitely fun, yea, but let me give you my honest opinion. Each Logistics in 1.8 will be good at their different roles, and other roles that they accidentally fill. But above all others, for just Logistics work, the Caldari will be the most well-rounded and helpful Logistics.... The Minmatar MAY have a Repair Tool bonus, but it's ONLY a Repair Tool. I'm assuming that racial bonuses are in respect to your original race selection and are only effective if you are wearing the corresponding races dropsuit. i.e. My main is of the minimatar race and I wear minmatar logi suits. Is that correct? Those Caldari bonuses sound intriguing but at this point I think I've skilled to far into the Minmatar tree. -Nox Two things: 1. Your starter race only matters for Role Play aspects, your starting freebie suits, and what your forum pic looks like. You get the "racial bonus" if you skill into a certain suit type. IE if I skill into minmatar logi suits, I get the minmatar racial bonus. 2. Hives are great if you're not moving and mobile. Not so much if you need to move around. That's where the rep tool comes into play. 1.8 (currently) will give min logi repper bonuses, and Caldari nanohive bonuses. Everyone can still use all of the tools. But if oh skill into a suit type you get better functionality from the racial matched piece of equipment. And as a part 3 to a two part answer : Focus on core skills. Your equipment and module skills should be one "level" higher than your suit at a minimum. (If you have an advanced suit, you should be skilled into proto modules)



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