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Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2002	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:02:00 - [1] - Quote So if like me you have heard theynare planning on doing yet another attempt on Assault Skill bonuses, but a lot of people have been complaining about the Minmatar bonus. Mainly people claiming it will suddenly make weapons OP. I for one disbelieve this and vehemently want this bonus kept. It's down right unfair that Amarrians should get a bonus to their weaponn that can directly effect it's DPS and maintain a longer engagement time, with which you are not really supposed to do that with. Yet Min, atar with the same bonus gets reppelled by them. Join together Minmatar brothers and sisters show them we will not be toyed with. Please Sign and Ill add your name to the list. In Rust we Trust Signed: Monkey MAC Spkr4thedead: Me > AV This is why tanks are unbalanced Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 453	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:06:00 - [2] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: So if like me you have heard theynare planning on doing yet another attempt on Assault Skill bonuses, but a lot of people have been complaining about the Minmatar bonus. Mainly people claiming it will suddenly make weapons OP. I for one disbelieve this and vehemently want this bonus kept. It's down right unfair that Amarrians should get a bonus to their weaponn that can directly effect it's DPS and maintain a longer engagement time, with which you are not really supposed to do that with. Yet Min, atar with the same bonus gets reppelled by them. Join together Minmatar brothers and sisters show them we will not be toyed with. Please Sign and Ill add your name to the list. In Rust we Trust Signed: Monkey MAC Link please? 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 860	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:07:00 - [3] - Quote Please clarify. Which bonus are you referring to? 2 have been suggested - 1 from Singularity servers and 1 from a dev post. Personally I prefer the superseded dev post for + clip size in all Min weapons "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2002	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:08:00 - [4] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: So if like me you have heard theynare planning on doing yet another attempt on Assault Skill bonuses, but a lot of people have been complaining about the Minmatar bonus. Mainly people claiming it will suddenly make weapons OP. I for one disbelieve this and vehemently want this bonus kept. It's down right unfair that Amarrians should get a bonus to their weaponn that can directly effect it's DPS and maintain a longer engagement time, with which you are not really supposed to do that with. Yet Min, atar with the same bonus gets reppelled by them. Join together Minmatar brothers and sisters show them we will not be toyed with. Please Sign and Ill add your name to the list. In Rust we Trust Signed: Monkey MAC Link please? General Forum Chatter, also check the MD will be overpowered thread. Spkr4thedead: Me > AV This is why tanks are unbalanced Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2004	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:10:00 - [5] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Please clarify. Which bonus are you referring to? 2 have been suggested - 1 from Singularity servers and 1 from a dev post. Personally I prefer the superseded dev post for + clip size in all Min weapons Clip Size Spkr4thedead: Me > AV This is why tanks are unbalanced Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 861	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:15:00 - [6] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Please clarify. Which bonus are you referring to? 2 have been suggested - 1 from Singularity servers and 1 from a dev post. Personally I prefer the superseded dev post for + clip size in all Min weapons Clip Size Fair enough. Never heard any rants about it How can they complain about larger clip size? Even for the buffed MD it will run out of total ammo so fast it will make it largely useless compared to a different suit using it and will do the same damage. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 632	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:24:00 - [7] - Quote I think +1 per level is too much personally. Perhaps it should be more like +1 at levels 1, 3, and 5 instead for a total +3. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 555	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:59:00 - [8] - Quote Signed. The longer I can keep up hit and runs and suppressing fire on the flank, the happier I'll be. Knowledge is power
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 861	Posted - 2014.02.19 09:00:00 - [9] - Quote McFurious wrote: I think +1 per level is too much personally. Perhaps it should be more like +1 at levels 1, 3, and 5 instead for a total +3. If the problem is 1 weapon then let us see what its like to use practically. If it is then why not decrease the ROF instead of the individual weapon? I am of course concerned cus I love the Flaylock and even with 5 extra missiles per clip is still won't compare to the ScP "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2341	Posted - 2014.02.19 09:10:00 - [10] - Quote It is arguably the best Assault bonus, only the Amarr bonus matches it. The Caldari and Gallente are pretty awful in comparison. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire

Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1299	Posted - 2014.02.19 09:11:00 - [11] - Quote I really do hope that they do an overhall of the assault skills. The Gal/Cal skills are terrible. {:)}{3GÇó>
TYCHUS MAXWELL Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 64	Posted - 2014.02.19 09:30:00 - [12] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: So if like me you have heard theynare planning on doing yet another attempt on Assault Skill bonuses, but a lot of people have been complaining about the suggested Minmatar bonus to weapon clip size. (Both Projectile and Explosive) Mainly people claiming it will suddenly make weapons OP. I for one disbelieve this and vehemently want this bonus kept. It's down right unfair that Amarrians should get a bonus to their weaponn that can directly effect it's DPS and maintain a longer engagement time, with which you are not really supposed to do that with. Yet Min, atar with the same bonus gets reppelled by them. Join together Minmatar brothers and sisters show them we will not be toyed with. Please Sign and Ill add your name to the list. In Rust we Trust Signed: Monkey MAC Broonfondle Majikthies Delanus Turgias If that's all they do to change Minmatar assault it won't matter, it won't matter if we can fire 11 shots from a mass driver or 80 from a combat rifle or whatever if we can't live long enough to mag dump. We need something light suit oriented as we are the light and medium suit hybrid like more stamina, sprinting, or lower scan profile. Obviously nothing as good as a scout but something that would follow the logic of our hybrid nature.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1907	Posted - 2014.02.19 10:00:00 - [13] - Quote I will not support a change that flips the game in direction of max spammamble explosives, haven't we had enough of that already? Will we end up With PC citymaps being played by: Fattys with HMG, Min Assault spamming MDs and cloaked NK/Shotty scouts trying to flank stuff? Well perhaps the occational logibro in the mix... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 349	Posted - 2014.02.19 10:45:00 - [14] - Quote -1 signature It should be to total capacity,not size per magazine. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2004	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:02:00 - [15] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I will not support a change that flips the game in direction of max spammamble explosives, haven't we had enough of that already? Will we end up With PC citymaps being played by: Fattys with HMG, Min Assault spamming MDs and cloaked NK/Shotty scouts trying to flank stuff? Well perhaps the occational logibro in the mix... Hold on heavies with HMG's, Minnies with MD's, Amarr's with Scramblers, Cloaked Shotties and Logi units doesn't seem fun to you? What would you prefer? Assault Assault Assault Assault? Spkr4thedead: Me > AV This is why tanks are unbalanced Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 862	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:15:00 - [16] - Quote Meee One wrote: -1 signature It should be to total capacity,not size per magazine. Sigh So it's not alright for Cal Assaults to have a skill that is already in the weapon tree but its ok for us Minies? No thank you "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 453	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:16:00 - [17] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Meee One wrote: -1 signature It should be to total capacity,not size per magazine. Sigh So it's not alright for Cal Assaults to have a skill that is already in the weapon tree but its ok for us Minies? No thank you /replaces crap cal assault bonus with a assault bonus 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1907	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:23:00 - [18] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: KingBabar wrote: I will not support a change that flips the game in direction of max spammamble explosives, haven't we had enough of that already? Will we end up With PC citymaps being played by: Fattys with HMG, Min Assault spamming MDs and cloaked NK/Shotty scouts trying to flank stuff? Well perhaps the occational logibro in the mix... Hold on heavies with HMG's, Minnies with MD's, Amarr's with Scramblers, Cloaked Shotties and Logi units doesn't seem fun to you? What would you prefer? Assault Assault Assault Assault? Since you ask, severely reduced hipfire accuracy, more guns being tricky to use like the scrambler, larger delay on the RR, bullet drops for snipers etc. Not more weapons that are typically used in a les skilled more spam like way, like the HMG and the MD. They're both mostly used for "point in general direction and hold/tap R1". Aim, movement and general FPS player skill is becoming even less relevant than it is in this game. Its very far from the "hard core" shooter it was supposed to be.... Well, I gues an inclusive game With more EZ-mode way of playing is much more popular among the mases.... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1914	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:28:00 - [19] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Please clarify. Which bonus are you referring to? 2 have been suggested - 1 from Singularity servers and 1 from a dev post. Personally I prefer the superseded dev post for + clip size in all Min weapons Clip Size Fair enough. Never heard any rants about it How can they complain about larger clip size? Even for the buffed MD it will run out of total ammo so fast it will make it largely useless compared to a different suit using it and will do the same damage. not before you kill 3 people and scare the **** out of 4. For the Federation!
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 53	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:29:00 - [20] - Quote I dont mind them getting more shots but a flaylock with 8 shots is a nasty thought.

Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2005	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:43:00 - [21] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: KingBabar wrote: I will not support a change that flips the game in direction of max spammamble explosives, haven't we had enough of that already? Will we end up With PC citymaps being played by: Fattys with HMG, Min Assault spamming MDs and cloaked NK/Shotty scouts trying to flank stuff? Well perhaps the occational logibro in the mix... Hold on heavies with HMG's, Minnies with MD's, Amarr's with Scramblers, Cloaked Shotties and Logi units doesn't seem fun to you? What would you prefer? Assault Assault Assault Assault? Since you ask, severely reduced hipfire accuracy, more guns being tricky to use like the scrambler, larger delay on the RR, bullet drops for snipers etc. Not more weapons that are typically used in a les skilled more spam like way, like the HMG and the MD. They're both mostly used for "point in general direction and hold/tap R1". Aim, movement and general FPS player skill is becoming even less relevant than it is in this game. Its very far from the "hard core" shooter it was supposed to be.... Well, I gues an inclusive game With more EZ-mode way of playing is much more popular among the mases.... I don't like your personal defintion of spam, it just seems you don't like anything that isn't pinpoint accurate. The MD spam, won't happen nearly as much as you believe, it will be prelevant sure, but that's because it does what it is supposed to. If you are concerned about the fact that the MD can blanket an area with "Explosives" I suggest you try a game that doesn't contain defensive and area-denial weapons. Also Movement? How much do you expect people to be moving? do you expect people to bunny-hoping and chop-strafing over open fields? As for player skill, which do yo classify more skillful? The ability to move your thumbs at speed faster than your opponent? Or the ability to react to threats and combat them before they happen with intelligence and logic? The Caldari is likely to never have bullet drop, but when other racial variants of snipers are released I would expect a spool time. This game is not a one -man hard core shooter. This is a thinking man's team shooter. Where the tactics you use and the choices you make will have a bigger impact than the speed you can move your thumbs. Spkr4thedead: Me > AV This is why tanks are unbalanced Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1907	Posted - 2014.02.19 11:58:00 - [22] - Quote Thinking man shooter? LOL We have "keep those letters blue" as the only game mode. Winning the figts mostly comes Down to a combination of equpment spam, high ground area denial and zerg rushes ahgainst objectives With fattys..... There really isn't any tactical game modes yet..... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2005	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:02:00 - [23] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Thinking man shooter? LOL We have "keep those letters blue" as the only game mode. Winning the figts mostly comes Down to a combination of equpment spam, high ground area denial and zerg rushes ahgainst objectives With fattys..... There really isn't any tactical game modes yet..... Maybe not yet, but it isn't the Hardcore single man shooter you are looking for either. Spkr4thedead: Me > AV This is why tanks are unbalanced Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
Toby Flenderson research lab 280	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:04:00 - [24] - Quote Signed. I would much rather them keep the explosive round bonus and forget the mass driver buff. Could give the suit a unique specialization.
TYCHUS MAXWELL Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 65	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:06:00 - [25] - Quote Am I the only one who thinks the minmitar assault bonus should be what the minmitar assaults role is as a hybrid scout/assault? They gave us the lowest ehp of the medium suits with more stamina and a little more speed.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2005	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:10:00 - [26] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Am I the only one who thinks the minmitar assault bonus should be what the minmitar assaults role is as a hybrid scout/assault? They gave us the lowest ehp of the medium suits with more stamina and a little more speed. ?? That sentence makes little sense, try again please? Combat Engineer in training. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
TYCHUS MAXWELL Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 65	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:19:00 - [27] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Am I the only one who thinks the minmitar assault bonus should be what the minmitar assaults role is as a hybrid scout/assault? They gave us the lowest ehp of the medium suits with more stamina and a little more speed. ?? That sentence makes little sense, try again please? I don't know what is wrong with the sentence... is this a french forum? Did I post in the wrong place?
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2005	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:21:00 - [28] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Am I the only one who thinks the minmitar assault bonus should be what the minmitar assaults role is as a hybrid scout/assault? They gave us the lowest ehp of the medium suits with more stamina and a little more speed. ?? That sentence makes little sense, try again please? I don't know what is wrong with the sentence... is this a french forum? Did I post in the wrong place? Ok, umm, what do you think the bonus should be then? because all I saw was should be what the minmitar assaults role is as a hybrid scout/assault? Combat Engineer in training. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 424	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:26:00 - [29] - Quote All of these "proposed" assault bonuses are ***** stupid outside of the Amarr bonus to laser weaponry heat-up. The 5% reduction to light weapons and sidearms? *** STUPID. Reload your 40 rnd RR faster? *** STUPID. 25% less bullet spread/kick on hybrids? *** STUPID. Assault will become the most insignificant class in the game, just behind the logi. The logi will ONLY have value because of the amount of equip slots period. The they are giving to scouts, heavies, and commandos are DIRECT ROLE BUFFS. But with assaults, it almost seems like they say here, we want you guys to be a class of cannon fodder. Especially Minmatar. We'll buff scouts speed, cpu, bonuses, scan profiles, add mod slots, and give them an extra equip. Heavies....you guys get some pretty badass bonuses to your direct racial weakness, allowing you to stand and deliver and do your job of point defense longer. Logis...I mean, you've had it really nice with such versatility we have to do something so we'll give you a bonus to your racial equip, nerf the other equip (bad), but basically you'll be able to be a better LOGIBRO. Commandos...You have literally been absolutely useless the entire life of this game, lets make you the new assaults. That's a great idea, heavies can carry light weapons, but commandos? Yeah they can carry two! and reload faster (cal assault?) and get direct damage bonuses. That's a great idea, let's take the most insignificant class and make them the true slayer class. Finally, the assaults...We know that assault means you should probably be leading the charge but since Logis have always been better at your job then you guys, assaults. We're basically going to turn your class into basic frames. We know 40% of our playerbase is assault, but why should we give them any bonus useful to slaying? Let's give them bonuses that help them fit better guns! Yeah, cause that's the problem that the community has been screaming about for ages, I can't fit a proto weapon on my suit! SMH. Assault bonuses need to be a DIRECT ROLE BUFF. IMO the assault class is the slayer class, the commando is a ***** novelty, a bastard heavy suit that should be centered around point defense because its A HEAVY SUIT! Assault bonus: 2% dmg to Racial weaponry per level Cal: (Increase RR charge to .35/.4) reduction in charge 5% Amarr: 5% lasers weap build up Gal: 3% Range of plasma weap Minmatar: 2% RoF increase to min weaponry/+5% weaponry clip size (pick one) Something like these that are direct buffs to OFFENSIVE output. Not some bullshit half-assed bonus that will relegate the class to insignificance. Neighborhood Bully prof 5 "Gimme yo lunch money"
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 425	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:29:00 - [30] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Am I the only one who thinks the minmitar assault bonus should be what the minmitar assaults role is as a hybrid scout/assault? They gave us the lowest ehp of the medium suits with more stamina and a little more speed. The amarr has the most stamina of medium frames, min is the fastest. The min assault is a hit/run assault not really a scout role. We don't have the cpu/pg to do anything "scouty" Neighborhood Bully prof 5 "Gimme yo lunch money"

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6648	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:31:00 - [31] - Quote It's not DPS, rather sustained damage, but yes I fully agree. The Gallente bonus is the only one that doesn't increase sustained damage, just makes the already existing damage slightly more accurate Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
TYCHUS MAXWELL Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 65	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:33:00 - [32] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Am I the only one who thinks the minmitar assault bonus should be what the minmitar assaults role is as a hybrid scout/assault? They gave us the lowest ehp of the medium suits with more stamina and a little more speed. ?? That sentence makes little sense, try again please? I don't know what is wrong with the sentence... is this a french forum? Did I post in the wrong place? Ok, umm, what do you think the bonus should be then? because all I saw was should be what the minmitar assaults role is as a hybrid scout/assault? Right i'll break it down: "Am I", a reference to myself, "the only one who thinks", a reference to my thinking process "the minmitar assault bonus", the topic of the thread "should be what the minmitar assault's" a reference to the dropsuit. (Yes I missed a typo on the apostrophe but you started a sentence with two punctuation marks so grammar clearly isn't a concern.) "role," as in what the suit is designed to be that other suits aren't "is as a hybrid scout/assualt" as in a definition of the role. (See sentence two for why I define it as the hybrid of an assault and scout suit.) Is that better, do we need to use pictures and what not or can you do some book readin' cowboy? The suggested bonus I had was something like a bonus to stamina, sprinting, or a lower scan profile. Like I said before it doesn't matter if your Mass Driver can fire 11 times without reloading if your ehp lets you fire 4 times before dying. Please don't tell me I need to break down these sentences too.
TYCHUS MAXWELL Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 65	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:35:00 - [33] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Am I the only one who thinks the minmitar assault bonus should be what the minmitar assaults role is as a hybrid scout/assault? They gave us the lowest ehp of the medium suits with more stamina and a little more speed. The amarr has the most stamina of medium frames, min is the fastest. The min assault is a hit/run assault not really a scout role. We don't have the cpu/pg to do anything "scouty" Your right my mistake that was the wrong word to use: the hybrid LIGHT/assault suit. Is that more fitting for what I meant to imply as a hit and run suit? It still stands that a larger clip to mag dump longer isn't a logical bonus for a hit and run suit. Edit: Also it doesn't matter if the amarr has the most stamina, speed is a factor in hit and run which is not what an amarr assault suit is designed for.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1907	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:40:00 - [34] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: KingBabar wrote: Thinking man shooter? LOL We have "keep those letters blue" as the only game mode. Winning the figts mostly comes Down to a combination of equpment spam, high ground area denial and zerg rushes ahgainst objectives With fattys..... There really isn't any tactical game modes yet..... Maybe not yet, but it isn't the Hardcore single man shooter you are looking for either. I am not looking for any sort of single man shooter, then I would play COD or something, stop making moronic assumptions. Dumping even more easily spammamble mechanics off the sort off "needing hardly to be aimed at all" type, hardly isn't the best idea to drop on a playerbase which IMO and many others is the worst playerbase ever when it comes to FPS skill. We had the Flaylock fiasko, this wil potentially be much much worse. And FYI, I have an almost maxed out MD which I pull out on occation, mostly cause I'm to drunk to succesfully aim my Imperial... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 425	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:49:00 - [35] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Drapedup Drippedout wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Am I the only one who thinks the minmitar assault bonus should be what the minmitar assaults role is as a hybrid scout/assault? They gave us the lowest ehp of the medium suits with more stamina and a little more speed. The amarr has the most stamina of medium frames, min is the fastest. The min assault is a hit/run assault not really a scout role. We don't have the cpu/pg to do anything "scouty" You're right my mistake that was the wrong word to use: the hybrid LIGHT/assault suit. Is that more fitting for what I meant to imply as a hit and run suit? It still stands that a larger clip to mag dump longer isn't a logical bonus for a hit and run suit. Edit: Also it doesn't matter if the amarr has the most stamina, speed is a factor in hit and run which is not what an amarr assault suit is designed for. I guess to extrapolate sustained fire bonuses do not make sense on a hit and run suit. I disagree. I'm at 28mil SP with 1 proto suit since 7mil, the MIn assault. If the clip size buff applies to Minmatar weaponry, then yes it is a HUGE advantage. Ever use the Six Kin ACR? 15-18 more bullets is about .2 secs worth of trigger pull. The boundless CR, you can dip in and out of cover/engage multiple enemies without reloading. About 2.5 secs to reload, is 2.5 secs you should've been sprinting/flanking/dipping/ducking/dodging/diving. Stamina has nothing to do with hit and run, amarr has the most stamina because they are the slowest. I guess I'm wondering, are you standing still while you empty that clip? or do you suffer from the "gotta reload after every engagement" syndrome that plagues FPS's? Neighborhood Bully prof 5 "Gimme yo lunch money"
TYCHUS MAXWELL Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 65	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:53:00 - [36] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Drapedup Drippedout wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Am I the only one who thinks the minmitar assault bonus should be what the minmitar assaults role is as a hybrid scout/assault? They gave us the lowest ehp of the medium suits with more stamina and a little more speed. The amarr has the most stamina of medium frames, min is the fastest. The min assault is a hit/run assault not really a scout role. We don't have the cpu/pg to do anything "scouty" You're right my mistake that was the wrong word to use: the hybrid LIGHT/assault suit. Is that more fitting for what I meant to imply as a hit and run suit? It still stands that a larger clip to mag dump longer isn't a logical bonus for a hit and run suit. Edit: Also it doesn't matter if the amarr has the most stamina, speed is a factor in hit and run which is not what an amarr assault suit is designed for. I guess to extrapolate sustained fire bonuses do not make sense on a hit and run suit. I disagree. I'm at 28mil SP with 1 proto suit since 7mil, the MIn assault. If the clip size buff applies to Minmatar weaponry, then yes it is a HUGE advantage. Ever use the Six Kin ACR? 15-18 more bullets is about .2 secs worth of trigger pull. The boundless CR, you can dip in and out of cover/engage multiple enemies without reloading. About 2.5 secs to reload, is 2.5 secs you should've been sprinting/flanking/dipping/ducking/dodging/diving. Stamina has nothing to do with hit and run, amarr has the most stamina because they are the slowest. I guess I'm wondering, are you standing still while you empty that clip? or do you suffer from the "gotta reload after every engagement" syndrome that plagues FPS's? Getting a bonus to a very specific playstyle to fit your specific suit loadout isn't a good bonus. The bonus should address our role, not your six kin. That's bad game design, you should feel bad for promoting CCP's already poor balancing habits by suggesting such things. Also, are we playing the same game? You can't sprint while firing and bunny hopping in an amarr suit.... yeah you do that. Edit: Also saying you have 28 mil SP doesn't help at all. Why? Look at this game, it was definitely not beta tested well at all or they listened to bad suggestions like your six kin argument, so don't break your hand off patting yourself on the back there.
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 425	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:59:00 - [37] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Drapedup Drippedout wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Drapedup Drippedout wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Am I the only one who thinks the minmitar assault bonus should be what the minmitar assaults role is as a hybrid scout/assault? They gave us the lowest ehp of the medium suits with more stamina and a little more speed. The amarr has the most stamina of medium frames, min is the fastest. The min assault is a hit/run assault not really a scout role. We don't have the cpu/pg to do anything "scouty" You're right my mistake that was the wrong word to use: the hybrid LIGHT/assault suit. Is that more fitting for what I meant to imply as a hit and run suit? It still stands that a larger clip to mag dump longer isn't a logical bonus for a hit and run suit. Edit: Also it doesn't matter if the amarr has the most stamina, speed is a factor in hit and run which is not what an amarr assault suit is designed for. I guess to extrapolate sustained fire bonuses do not make sense on a hit and run suit. I disagree. I'm at 28mil SP with 1 proto suit since 7mil, the MIn assault. If the clip size buff applies to Minmatar weaponry, then yes it is a HUGE advantage. Ever use the Six Kin ACR? 15-18 more bullets is about .2 secs worth of trigger pull. The boundless CR, you can dip in and out of cover/engage multiple enemies without reloading. About 2.5 secs to reload, is 2.5 secs you should've been sprinting/flanking/dipping/ducking/dodging/diving. Stamina has nothing to do with hit and run, amarr has the most stamina because they are the slowest. I guess I'm wondering, are you standing still while you empty that clip? or do you suffer from the "gotta reload after every engagement" syndrome that plagues FPS's? Getting a bonus to a very specific playstyle to fit your specific suit loadout isn't a good bonus. The bonus should address our role, not your six kin. That's bad game design, you should feel bad for promoting CCP's already poor balancing habits by suggesting such things. Also, are we playing the same game? You can't sprint while firing and bunny hoping in an amarr suit.... yeah you do that. Edit: Also saying you have 28 mil SP doesn't help at all. Why? Look at this game, it was definitely not beta tested well at all or they listened to bad suggestions like your six kin argument, so don't break your hand off patting yourself on the back there. ....seriously? The Combat Rifle is the minmatar rifle. So WTF are you talking about? Neighborhood Bully prof 5 "Gimme yo lunch money"
TYCHUS MAXWELL Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 65	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:03:00 - [38] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: ....seriously? The Combat Rifle is the minmatar rifle. So WTF are you talking about? /thread over as you obviously have no idea whats going on here. Because a suit bonus should be based around one weapon that belongs to said racial! That's wtf I am talking about. You are suggesting that one weapon should dictate a suits bonus, you are bad and should feel bad. Like I said, thanks for beta testing this game.
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 425	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:06:00 - [39] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Drapedup Drippedout wrote: ....seriously? The Combat Rifle is the minmatar rifle. So WTF are you talking about? /thread over as you obviously have no idea whats going on here. Because a suit bonus should be based around one weapon that belongs to said racial! That's wtf I am talking about. You are suggesting that one weapon should dictate a suits bonus, you are bad and should feel bad. Like I said, thanks for beta testing this game. HAHA! Go reread the proposed bonuses from my original response. Then realize you can't read/comprehend. Then apologize for being a douche, and stop crying on the forums because you have no idea what you're talking about. PS - this is my last response. Please stop poisoning the forums with your stupidity and ignorance. Read more, opine less. Neighborhood Bully prof 5 "Gimme yo lunch money"
TYCHUS MAXWELL Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 65	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:17:00 - [40] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Drapedup Drippedout wrote: ....seriously? The Combat Rifle is the minmatar rifle. So WTF are you talking about? /thread over as you obviously have no idea whats going on here. Because a suit bonus should be based around one weapon that belongs to said racial! That's wtf I am talking about. You are suggesting that one weapon should dictate a suits bonus, you are bad and should feel bad. Like I said, thanks for beta testing this game. HAHA! Go reread the proposed bonuses from my original response. Then realize you can't read/comprehend. Then apologize for being a douche, and stop crying on the forums because you have no idea what you're talking about. PS - this is my last response. Please stop poisoning the forums with your stupidity and ignorance. Read more, opine less. Assault bonus: 2% dmg to Racial weaponry per level Cal: (Increase RR charge to .35/.4) reduction in charge 5% Amarr: 5% lasers weap build up Gal: 3% Range of plasma weap Minmatar: 2% RoF increase to min weaponry/+5% weaponry clip size (pick one) I assume this is what you mean, well let's see: reduction in charge up on caldari after increasing it! Brilliant how did CCP end up in endless buff/nerf cycles... oh thank you for beta testing, they learned it from you! Amarr laser weapon build up, guessing you mean heat reduction, which is what is being recommended by pretty much everyone so good job on agreeing with everyone. Gal 3% range of plasma weapons, yeah let's give all the CQC guns greater range that makes sense! Yes I know the plasma rifle is garbage right now, but again making half assed improvements to weaponry that don't fit their playstyle, CCP learned that from you! Thank you for beta testing. Minmitar ROF increase or a weaponry clip size, seriously why do you have such a hard on for the CR?? Thank you for beta testing! If you are representative of the average beta tester for this game, well now I feel bad for mocking CCP all the time. It really wasn't their fault, they just had awful testers that they listened to.

Vegetation Monster The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 139	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:18:00 - [41] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: So if like me you have heard theynare planning on doing yet another attempt on Assault Skill bonuses, but a lot of people have been complaining about the suggested Minmatar bonus to weapon clip size. (Both Projectile and Explosive) Mainly people claiming it will suddenly make weapons OP. I for one disbelieve this and vehemently want this bonus kept. It's down right unfair that Amarrians should get a bonus to their weaponn that can directly effect it's DPS and maintain a longer engagement time, with which you are not really supposed to do that with. Yet Min, atar with the same bonus gets reppelled by them. Join together Minmatar brothers and sisters show them we will not be toyed with. Please Sign and Ill add your name to the list. In Rust we Trust Signed: Monkey MAC Broonfondle Majikthies Delanus Turgias Brokerib Tony Flenderson sign B Double O T Y
Knight Solitaire Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 224	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:41:00 - [42] - Quote I do think the bonus sounded good, and fair. Up until they announced the MD buff, now I think it should just be changed to +1 per level to explosive Sidearm clip size per level Corp: Fatal Absolution Alliance: General Tso's Alliance Aim Assist = Persuers
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 0	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:46:00 - [43] - Quote Well considering that the minmatar assault can be killed by a stern look, I feel it needs an edge. Just don't add the bonus to their logi suit and we should be fine. Usually outnumbered 7:1 and still kicking
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 278	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:18:00 - [44] - Quote signed Fear The Tribes / Standings Minmatar 5 / Gallente 5 / Pilot
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 122	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:32:00 - [45] - Quote I would have preferred the straight damage boost but the extra ammo was fine. Just add a 3rd low slot please. "Shine bright like a diamond"
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 296	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:41:00 - [46] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: I dont mind them getting more shots but a flaylock with 8 shots is a nasty thought. Game Design has pretty much nixed that already. Did it weeks ago in fact. Its not official, but, they are really considering removing the +1 to explosive clips. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1625	Posted - 2014.02.19 15:41:00 - [47] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I will not support a change that flips the game in direction of max spammamble explosives, haven't we had enough of that already? Will we end up With PC citymaps being played by: Fattys with HMG, Min Assault spamming MDs and cloaked NK/Shotty scouts trying to flank stuff? Well perhaps the occational logibro in the mix... I agree with this in the sense that we have more than enough explosive spam in this game. We don't need more and although that would benefit me personally it's not worth what it would do to the overall DUST player experience. And my Matari brothers and sisters, do we really want to be labelled as explosive spamming scrubs? I support SP rollover.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1625	Posted - 2014.02.19 15:48:00 - [48] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: KingBabar wrote: I will not support a change that flips the game in direction of max spammamble explosives, haven't we had enough of that already? Will we end up With PC citymaps being played by: Fattys with HMG, Min Assault spamming MDs and cloaked NK/Shotty scouts trying to flank stuff? Well perhaps the occational logibro in the mix... Hold on heavies with HMG's, Minnies with MD's, Amarr's with Scramblers, Cloaked Shotties and Logi units doesn't seem fun to you? What would you prefer? Assault Assault Assault Assault? Since you ask, severely reduced hipfire accuracy, more guns being tricky to use like the scrambler, larger delay on the RR, bullet drops for snipers etc. Not more weapons that are typically used in a les skilled more spam like way, like the HMG and the MD. They're both mostly used for "point in general direction and hold/tap R1". Aim, movement and general FPS player skill is becoming even less relevant than it is in this game. Its very far from the "hard core" shooter it was supposed to be.... Well, I gues an inclusive game With more EZ-mode way of playing is much more popular among the mases.... AGreed. If DUST does end up going that way i'm out. I came here to fight on the ground in New Eden, not to participate in some glorified nursury school. I support SP rollover.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1625	Posted - 2014.02.19 15:52:00 - [49] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Am I the only one who thinks the minmitar assault bonus should be what the minmitar assaults role is as a hybrid scout/assault? They gave us the lowest ehp of the medium suits with more stamina and a little more speed. ?? That sentence makes little sense, try again please? I don't know what is wrong with the sentence... is this a french forum? Did I post in the wrong place? Sentence makes perfect sense to me - and i agree with you TYCHUS. I support SP rollover.
Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 455	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:17:00 - [50] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I will not support a change that flips the game in direction of max spammamble explosives, haven't we had enough of that already? Will we end up With PC citymaps being played by: Fattys with HMG, Min Assault spamming MDs and cloaked NK/Shotty scouts trying to flank stuff? Well perhaps the occational logibro in the mix... and of course ur corp will be the first to spam and use the new "op" weapons in pubs and PCs. Right? I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco

Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 455	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:18:00 - [51] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: I would have preferred the straight damage boost but the extra ammo was fine. Just add a 3rd low slot please. a 3rd low slot is really needed. I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
The Infected One Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 850	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:20:00 - [52] - Quote Signed I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 699	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:24:00 - [53] - Quote signed Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4807	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:48:00 - [54] - Quote Signed Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub
KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 452	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:54:00 - [55] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Please clarify. Which bonus are you referring to? 2 have been suggested - 1 from Singularity servers and 1 from a dev post. Personally I prefer the superseded dev post for + clip size in all Min weapons Is the clip size bonus ONLY to Min weapons?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4807	Posted - 2014.02.19 16:55:00 - [56] - Quote KryptixX wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Please clarify. Which bonus are you referring to? 2 have been suggested - 1 from Singularity servers and 1 from a dev post. Personally I prefer the superseded dev post for + clip size in all Min weapons Is the clip size bonus ONLY to Min weapons? Yes. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub
Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 456	Posted - 2014.02.19 20:49:00 - [57] - Quote signed I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2014	Posted - 2014.02.19 21:46:00 - [58] - Quote Bump Combat Engineer in training. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.


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