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COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:

I play Minmatar for RP purposes cause I love the race/lore/gear. Feel sorry for the Amarr guys but that's what happens when you choose an inferior and unpopular race. People say it's cause it's an easy win which would ring true if LP allowed them to get what they wanted but seeing as it doesn't I'm inclined to believe that people just prefer Matari tech. That an most don't agree with Amarrian phallus worship.

You probably don't know a whole lot about the Amarr do you...... like canonically even during the Great Rebellion the Amarr never commited more than 25% of their military might against the Minmatar....nor against the Elder Fleet when it invaded the Throne worlds.

I don't see how that's relevant, seems like you're just trying to wag the Amarr e-peen.

When your gear sucks and you are getting dominated continuously in FW...lore is all that's left. Let's have some sympathy for these poor guys.

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Vegetation Monster The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 134	Posted - 2014.02.19 03:59:00 - [1] - Quote If i lose a Amarr FW I make like 65 wp (cuz we never win so i never level up!!!) A complex armor rep costs 80LP... a complex armor rep costs 5k isk so that means we are making less than 5k isk a battle is we lose? I quit playing FW after like 2 days... B Double O T Y
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9391	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:02:00 - [2] - Quote Ammatar scum, you deserve no "loyalty" points, traitor. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 353	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:02:00 - [3] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: If i lose a Amarr FW I make like 65 wp (cuz we never win so i never level up!!!) A complex armor rep costs 60LP... a complex armor rep costs 5k isk so that means we are making less than 5k isk a battle is we lose? I quit playing FW after like 2 days... You are right. I think the problem is that they based these values on assuming that items salvaged will go on the market. The problem is they didn't bother to open the market at the same time as the new FW system. They should definitely retool this to represent the game as it stands today, and not what it will be in the near to distant future. Looking for the scout hangout? CCP banished it to the locker room
Vegetation Monster The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 134	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:04:00 - [4] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Ammatar scum, you deserve no "loyalty" points, traitor. well I tried like ALL the FW so i can get some complex armor reps... I stick to minmitar to get my proto scouts coming in.. its a guaranteed win. B Double O T Y
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2711	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:05:00 - [5] - Quote could squad with decent members and win... Templar BPO(375Mil) EVE Pilot I feed off your tears
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2047	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:05:00 - [6] - Quote You are correct. Solid efforts on the losing side should be more greatly rewarded. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Vegetation Monster The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 134	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:06:00 - [7] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: could squad with decent members and win... even if you win, you still make less than 130k isk... I can make 130k isk by afking in a pub... B Double O T Y
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9391	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:06:00 - [8] - Quote Yeah, FW rewards are broken. Even at level 10 standing, you do better in a public contract Skirmish AFK farming: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131073 Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1219	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:07:00 - [9] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: could squad with decent members and win... Or get spammed with tanks like earlier today.
Vegetation Monster The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 134	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:07:00 - [10] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: You are correct. Solid efforts on the losing side should be more greatly rewarded. if i lose in a pub i get 150-200k isk but if i lose in fw i get like 5k isk. If i win in pub i get 200k but if i win in fw i get <130k. B Double O T Y
Yokal Bob G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 391	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:09:00 - [11] - Quote Its not the LP system that is messed up but factional as a whole. Most of the people have flocked to FotM Gal logi so do Galente or want an easy win game so chose Winmatar. I find it wierd that people use rail rifles pretty much all the time but rarely go into Cal FW CPM1 candidate I want my logi tank back
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 277	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:22:00 - [12] - Quote I play Minmatar for RP purposes cause I love the race/lore/gear. Feel sorry for the Amarr guys but that's what happens when you choose an inferior and unpopular race. People say it's cause it's an easy win which would ring true if LP allowed them to get what they wanted but seeing as it doesn't I'm inclined to believe that people just prefer Matari tech. That an most don't agree with Amarrian phallus worship. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7306	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:28:00 - [13] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: If i lose a Amarr FW I make like 65 wp (cuz we never win so i never level up!!!) A complex armor rep costs 80LP... a complex armor rep costs 5k isk so that means we are making less than 5k isk a battle is we lose? I quit playing FW after like 2 days... You are now constantly complaining about things we other forumers have constantly be in contact with CPM and CCP about......calm down and move on. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7306	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:29:00 - [14] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: I play Minmatar for RP purposes cause I love the race/lore/gear. Feel sorry for the Amarr guys but that's what happens when you choose an inferior and unpopular race. People say it's cause it's an easy win which would ring true if LP allowed them to get what they wanted but seeing as it doesn't I'm inclined to believe that people just prefer Matari tech. That an most don't agree with Amarrian phallus worship. You probably don't know a whole lot about the Amarr do you...... like canonically even during the Great Rebellion the Amarr never commited more than 25% of their military might against the Minmatar....nor against the Elder Fleet when it invaded the Throne worlds. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Death Shadow117 Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:33:00 - [15] - Quote was in an ammar fight we win but if i wasnt there the rtard blubs would have lost bc the blubs dont do snything i was fighting the hardest i was at the top with over 2000 wp and #2 had like 500 wp so there if your blubs werent complete retards and actuslly tfy then you might win key to winnibng: PLACE UPLUNKS R`TARDS
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9399	Posted - 2014.02.19 04:48:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: I play Minmatar for RP purposes cause I love the race/lore/gear. Feel sorry for the Amarr guys but that's what happens when you choose an inferior and unpopular race. People say it's cause it's an easy win which would ring true if LP allowed them to get what they wanted but seeing as it doesn't I'm inclined to believe that people just prefer Matari tech. That an most don't agree with Amarrian phallus worship. You probably don't know a whole lot about the Amarr do you...... like canonically even during the Great Rebellion the Amarr never commited more than 25% of their military might against the Minmatar....nor against the Elder Fleet when it invaded the Throne worlds. I don't see how that's relevant, seems like you're just trying to wag the Amarr e-peen. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 280	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:34:00 - [17] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: True Adamance wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: I play Minmatar for RP purposes cause I love the race/lore/gear. Feel sorry for the Amarr guys but that's what happens when you choose an inferior and unpopular race. People say it's cause it's an easy win which would ring true if LP allowed them to get what they wanted but seeing as it doesn't I'm inclined to believe that people just prefer Matari tech. That an most don't agree with Amarrian phallus worship. You probably don't know a whole lot about the Amarr do you...... like canonically even during the Great Rebellion the Amarr never commited more than 25% of their military might against the Minmatar....nor against the Elder Fleet when it invaded the Throne worlds. I don't see how that's relevant, seems like you're just trying to wag the Amarr e-peen. When your gear sucks and you are getting dominated continuously in FW...lore is all that's left. Let's have some sympathy for these poor guys. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9404	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:55:00 - [18] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: True Adamance wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: I play Minmatar for RP purposes cause I love the race/lore/gear. Feel sorry for the Amarr guys but that's what happens when you choose an inferior and unpopular race. People say it's cause it's an easy win which would ring true if LP allowed them to get what they wanted but seeing as it doesn't I'm inclined to believe that people just prefer Matari tech. That an most don't agree with Amarrian phallus worship. You probably don't know a whole lot about the Amarr do you...... like canonically even during the Great Rebellion the Amarr never commited more than 25% of their military might against the Minmatar....nor against the Elder Fleet when it invaded the Throne worlds. I don't see how that's relevant, seems like you're just trying to wag the Amarr e-peen. When your gear sucks and you are getting dominated continuously in FW...lore is all that's left. Let's have some sympathy for these poor guys. Actually I find nothing wrong with their gear and aesthetics (in fact I like using them a lot), but the whole theocracy + slavery thing is a dealbreaker. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 512	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:14:00 - [19] - Quote Yokal Bob wrote: Its not the LP system that is messed up but factional as a whole. Most of the people have flocked to FotM Gal logi so do Galente or want an easy win game so chose Winmatar. I find it wierd that people use rail rifles pretty much all the time but rarely go into Cal FW It's fun to sync Caldari with our corp members and give the gal players a bit of a surprise. Plus you sometimes get an even battle which is fun. The mic bubble bug... I yield, CCP will be fixing it SOON. Current ETA 1 year since bug
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7309	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:17:00 - [20] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: True Adamance wrote: COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: I play Minmatar for RP purposes cause I love the race/lore/gear. Feel sorry for the Amarr guys but that's what happens when you choose an inferior and unpopular race. People say it's cause it's an easy win which would ring true if LP allowed them to get what they wanted but seeing as it doesn't I'm inclined to believe that people just prefer Matari tech. That an most don't agree with Amarrian phallus worship. You probably don't know a whole lot about the Amarr do you...... like canonically even during the Great Rebellion the Amarr never commited more than 25% of their military might against the Minmatar....nor against the Elder Fleet when it invaded the Throne worlds. I don't see how that's relevant, seems like you're just trying to wag the Amarr e-peen. When your gear sucks and you are getting dominated continuously in FW...lore is all that's left. Let's have some sympathy for these poor guys. Dust FW means little.... though I don't about it. EVE FW is all the matters. As I know, its going to be a good fight over the next few weeks to see who is going to control the warzone. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 453	Posted - 2014.02.19 06:18:00 - [21] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Vegetation Monster wrote: If i lose a Amarr FW I make like 65 wp (cuz we never win so i never level up!!!) A complex armor rep costs 60LP... a complex armor rep costs 5k isk so that means we are making less than 5k isk a battle is we lose? I quit playing FW after like 2 days... You are right. I think the problem is that they based these values on assuming that items salvaged will go on the market. The problem is they didn't bother to open the market at the same time as the new FW system. They should definitely retool this to represent the game as it stands today, and not what it will be in the near to distant future. They still need toincrease the lp payouts after the market opens 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 30	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:16:00 - [22] - Quote I play FW for Gallente and Minimatar ... 80% end on the Gallente one and against the Team players ... It's would just be quicker and less painful to take my box of chocolates and light them up. I wish that you got some standing if you put up a good fight (ie hacking and kills not base nanohives farming or mutual murder and injector farming).
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1461	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:02:00 - [23] - Quote Don't forget the gear is all Aurum variants, so they require less SP, so worth far more..... but there really does need to be an open market. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 453	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:05:00 - [24] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Don't forget the gear is all Aurum variants, so they require less SP, so worth far more..... but there really does need to be an open market. You need to get at least 1000 lp at level 10, or higher like really 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Jack Boost Zarena Family 317	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:24:00 - [25] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Don't forget the gear is all Aurum variants, so they require less SP, so worth far more..... but there really does need to be an open market. You need to get at least 1000 lp at level 10, or higher like really For what? FW battles are calm and about tactic. Not much kills, just try to control more. Not much kills means not much death so you dont need so much isk for your effort. LP store offers you AUR level items (often better then AUR - look at proto AR or similiar weapon) that you can put back on market (soon :) for higer price in ISK then you think. One more thing. If there is shortage of factional LP ... you price go even higher. So playing ammar or caldari FW is stil profitable.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 453	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:29:00 - [26] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: NK Scout wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Don't forget the gear is all Aurum variants, so they require less SP, so worth far more..... but there really does need to be an open market. You need to get at least 1000 lp at level 10, or higher like really For what? FW battles are calm and about tactic. Not much kills, just try to control more. Not much kills means not much death so you dont need so much isk for your effort. LP store offers you AUR level items (often better then AUR - look at proto AR or similiar weapon) that you can put back on market (soon :) for higer price in ISK then you think. One more thing. If there is shortage of factional LP ... you price go even higher. So playing ammar or caldari FW is stil profitable. Np, fw is skirmish.......exept with 10x shittier payout.... 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Horizen Kenpachi Kenpachi's Castle 193	Posted - 2014.02.19 09:48:00 - [27] - Quote Its not broken it never worked in the first place pc and fw need reworking Hit me with your nerf bat.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2047	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:49:00 - [28] - Quote Venerable Phage wrote: I play FW for Gallente and Minimatar ... 80% end on the Gallente one and against the Team players ... It's would just be quicker and less painful to take my box of chocolates and light them up. I wish that you got some standing if you put up a good fight (ie hacking and kills not base nanohives farming or mutual murder and injector farming). Really? Complaining about the rare loss for gallente/minmatar? You have no idea what frustration is, my friend. I made an alt to awox minmatar a month ago when I got bored one weekend. By running around gettting myself TKd and destroying my own teams equipment for a day and a half I somehow got almost as high a standings as my Amarr loyalist main here! When my squads managed to win 4 battles for Amarr and 2 for Caldari in a span of 3 hours last weekend... it was like I had beaten Dust! I'll tell you one thing, if someone playing from that side thinks the payouts should change to avoid frustration on the losing side, either they need to find a better squad or there is no doubt there is a problem. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Ensar Cael Black Spire Force Recon 85	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:14:00 - [29] - Quote I tend to run Caldari/ Amarr for the challenge. Stupid thing is that we usually win 8/10 of the fights! Seems to me that the OP just needs to get into a decent squad maybe?
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1225	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:20:00 - [30] - Quote Loyalty Gear operate with lower skill requirements, cost less, and the specialist stuff is very helpful. If you want more points, try to win. If you want to win, squad up.

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