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HYENAKILLER X
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.18 17:55:00 -
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Bet the new mass driver makes the rail rifle look weak.
Cant wait to see the people in this community finally realize what op really is.
Op is unfightable. The rail rifle WAS NEVER unfightable.
The mass driver will be.
You heard it here first.
Tanks are for pussies.
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Vitharr Foebane
Living Like Larry Schwag
592
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Posted - 2014.02.18 17:58:00 -
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Heavies are gonna laugh at those "OP" Massholes and feed em to the HMG
Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3
That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
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Delta90212
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
272
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Posted - 2014.02.18 17:59:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Bet the new mass driver makes the rail rifle look weak.
Cant wait to see the people in this community finally realize what op really is.
Op is unfightable. The rail rifle WAS NEVER unfightable.
The mass driver will be.
You heard it here first.
So a 60-30 dmg increase on a very slow fire rate weapon with a unreliable arc makes it OP?
Fear The Tribes / Standings Minmatar 5 / Gallente 5 / Pilot
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1810
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Posted - 2014.02.18 17:59:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Bet the new mass driver makes the rail rifle look weak.
Cant wait to see the people in this community finally realize what op really is.
Op is unfightable. The rail rifle WAS NEVER unfightable.
The mass driver will be.
You heard it here first.
Call me when 3/4 of the userbase uses the MD. Until then, Dust is still AR 514 even though we have a couple of new ARs.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1810
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Posted - 2014.02.18 17:59:00 -
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Double post. |
Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
845
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:01:00 -
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His crutch is broken and he grasps at the nearest logi. Chrome logos are comin back. I can't wait to die by a real weapon.
Who wants some?
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HYENAKILLER X
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
608
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:03:00 -
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Juuuuuuust wait.
Tanks are for pussies.
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PO0KY
Virtual Syndicate
290
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:03:00 -
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*rubs hands together*
I look forward to it |
Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1641
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:03:00 -
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Meet the new Mass Driver.
Same as the old Mass Driver.
Nyain San speccing into them again or something?
I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - draconian forum overlord CCP Logibro]
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2869
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:05:00 -
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I've been dusting mine off in preparation.
It'll be far from OP with the suits that are running around right now, BUT I think there are going to be a lot of lower HP suits running around for speed and EWAR. For those suits the MD will not be friendly.
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
283
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:05:00 -
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The damage buff is very nice, but, as others have stated, Heavies shall laugh MD rounds off.
Plus, with the removal of the +1 to clip size and limited ammo pool, we're still gonna have issues.
xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own...
So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
6639
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:06:00 -
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He has a point.
Rifles are getting nerfed, Mass Driver buffed.
If Mass Driver can beat the rifles in direct combat, while taking half the aiming, this ain't gonna be pretty.
At the very least they should remove the aiming jerk that the Mass Driver does to whoever it hits.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
3698
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:07:00 -
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I tried to tell you people that the RR was fine.
But no, you had to whine that you couldn't kill a rr player in CQC.
Wrong! It's easy, I do it all the time, use an SMG or ar. The rr player will surely eat $#!T.
Scout: I'm going to knife you my commando!!!
commando turns around
Commando:FAAAAALCCCOOOOONNNNNN PUUUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!
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HYENAKILLER X
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
608
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:08:00 -
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All you will hear is mass drivers.
Youll try hiding. Then come lols.
Tanks are for pussies.
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
719
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:10:00 -
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Yeah sorry, but the MD will still not be OP, maybe usable again but not OP. It is still a slow firing weapon and it is still harder to aim than any rifle. Minmatar commandos with MD may be a force to be feared but I will wait to see. The MD will still situational probably, if you have the high ground you are golden.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1810
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:12:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:He has a point.
Rifles are getting nerfed, Mass Driver buffed.
If Mass Driver can beat the rifles in direct combat, while taking half the aiming, this ain't gonna be pretty.
At the very least they should remove the aiming jerk that the Mass Driver does to whoever it hits.
MD is, and has always been, harder to aim with than an AR/Rifle in Dust. |
HYENAKILLER X
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
608
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:12:00 -
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Just lol'ing at future skirm/dom games.
Seriously lol'ing.
Tanks are for pussies.
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
845
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:16:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Juuuuuuust wait.
just rush em. I have fought mass drivers before. And flaylocks. They panic and kill themselves alot. Get good with the ScP. Nothing says STFU like a TT-3.
Who wants some?
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ReGnYuM
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
2189
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:18:00 -
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11-Shot Noob Tube
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset
I Slay, for thy Empress
Do you even PC... Brah
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HYENAKILLER X
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
608
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:22:00 -
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Darken-Soul wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:Juuuuuuust wait. just rush em. I have fought mass drivers before. And flaylocks. They panic and kill themselves alot. Get good with the ScP. Nothing says STFU like a TT-3.
Scrambler pistol?
Tanks are for pussies.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
1994
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:22:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:11-Shot Noob Tube
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Wait don't you us Rifles?
Aren't Rifles being nerfed because they are OP? Who's the noob for using an overpowered weapon?
Spkr4thedead: Me > AV
This is why tanks are unbalanced
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
720
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:22:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:He has a point.
Rifles are getting nerfed, Mass Driver buffed.
If Mass Driver can beat the rifles in direct combat, while taking half the aiming, this ain't gonna be pretty.
At the very least they should remove the aiming jerk that the Mass Driver does to whoever it hits.
Except that MDs take twice the aiming of rifle not half. Much harder to get rounds on target with an MD than any rifle
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
846
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:22:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:11-Shot Noob Tube
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
you misspelled hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Who wants some?
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Drapedup Drippedout
0uter.Heaven
420
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:23:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Just lol'ing at future skirm/dom games.
Seriously lol'ing.
I get what you are saying. I was thinking about this the other night...Even if, and a big IF, they get TTK somewhat right and balance looks close.
Imagine a competent squad, not these blueberry fucks, but a competent one of the typical "protostomp squads", (RE, AE, 0H, NS, FA, WTF) running a ScR and a MD combo. The sweet tear harvest that will ensue is going to be one for the ages. The ScR to knock the shield off anything, then a buffed MD direct hitting at 300...Holy ****
I'm with you Hyena, MD will be the source of much QQ
Especially if the Mini Assault gets ANY kind of bonus to it.
Neighborhood Bully prof 5
"Gimme yo lunch money"
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Marc Rime
254
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:24:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Op is unfightable.
Sure, you can use own definitions of words and terms if you like, but it will make communicating with others somewhat difficult.
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
244
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:24:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Bet the new mass driver makes the rail rifle look weak.
Cant wait to see the people in this community finally realize what op really is.
Op is unfightable. The rail rifle WAS NEVER unfightable.
The mass driver will be.
You heard it here first.
Just better than they are now will be fine. I love playing MD but only use it when my team is so far ahead or so far behind my being useless isn't a problem.
Because, that's why.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Reapers' Assailant
719
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:26:00 -
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I have never stopped using explosives [MDs] and killing people with them. Come 1.8 and beyond, i'll still kill people with explosives.
FlayLock Pistol
Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout
Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
1994
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:27:00 -
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OP im interested how giving the MD 2 times less DPS as opposed to the current 3.5 times less will make it OP?
Especially when:
11-round clips is 2 1/2 clips at max ammo
Heavies recieve 25% damage reduction
Profciency skill will only improve armour damage so it hits shields for 80% and armour for 125%
Still only fires 1 per second
Shotguns will probably also be buffed
Using an MD on anything but a Commando means no rifle, which means no Long Range 1v1 weapon.
The MD will still be incredibly niche, just more viable in that niche.
Spkr4thedead: Me > AV
This is why tanks are unbalanced
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
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Drapedup Drippedout
0uter.Heaven
420
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:27:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:Cat Merc wrote:He has a point.
Rifles are getting nerfed, Mass Driver buffed.
If Mass Driver can beat the rifles in direct combat, while taking half the aiming, this ain't gonna be pretty.
At the very least they should remove the aiming jerk that the Mass Driver does to whoever it hits. Except that MDs take twice the aiming of rifle not half. Much harder to get rounds on target with an MD than any rifle
You're right, but the splash damage is still 100 something, with +20% to armor before mods/prof. A direct hit is 300. All you have to do is be able to land two rounds within 2.4 meters of your target to shell out almost 400 dmg to armor.
Neighborhood Bully prof 5
"Gimme yo lunch money"
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
244
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:28:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:Cat Merc wrote:He has a point.
Rifles are getting nerfed, Mass Driver buffed.
If Mass Driver can beat the rifles in direct combat, while taking half the aiming, this ain't gonna be pretty.
At the very least they should remove the aiming jerk that the Mass Driver does to whoever it hits. Except that MDs take twice the aiming of rifle not half. Much harder to get rounds on target with an MD than any rifle
MD's are much harder to aim, no little dot to line up, it's hard to even tell where your round are impacting.
Because, that's why.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
1994
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:28:00 -
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Drapedup Drippedout wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:Just lol'ing at future skirm/dom games.
Seriously lol'ing. I get what you are saying. I was thinking about this the other night...Even if, and a big IF, they get TTK somewhat right and balance looks close. Imagine a competent squad, not these blueberry fucks, but a competent one of the typical "protostomp squads", (RE, AE, 0H, NS, FA, WTF) running a ScR and a MD combo. The sweet tear harvest that will ensue is going to be one for the ages. The ScR to knock the shield off anything, then a buffed MD direct hitting at 300...Holy **** I'm with you Hyena, MD will be the source of much QQ Especially if the Mini Assault gets ANY kind of bonus to it.
That is called tactics, what should be winning games on here, not everyone running the same.
The MD should have a place on EVERY competent squad.
Spkr4thedead: Me > AV
This is why tanks are unbalanced
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
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HYENAKILLER X
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
608
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:29:00 -
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You can learn to aim a mass driver. The hard to aim comment doesnt apply.
Also mass drivers can hit you behind cover.
Im telling you man wait.
Tanks are for pussies.
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
244
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:30:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:OP im interested how giving the MD 2 times less DPS as opposed to the current 3.5 times less will make it OP?
Especially when:
11-round clips is 2 1/2 clips at max ammo
Heavies recieve 25% damage reduction
Profciency skill will only improve armour damage so it hits shields for 80% and armour for 125%
Still only fires 1 per second
Shotguns will probably also be buffed
Using an MD on anything but a Commando means no rifle, which means no Long Range 1v1 weapon.
The MD will still be incredibly niche, just more viable in that niche.
At least I might find a use for that Commando suit I mistakenly got.
Because, that's why.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
1998
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:31:00 -
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Drapedup Drippedout wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:Cat Merc wrote:He has a point.
Rifles are getting nerfed, Mass Driver buffed.
If Mass Driver can beat the rifles in direct combat, while taking half the aiming, this ain't gonna be pretty.
At the very least they should remove the aiming jerk that the Mass Driver does to whoever it hits. Except that MDs take twice the aiming of rifle not half. Much harder to get rounds on target with an MD than any rifle You're right, but the splash damage is still 100 something, with +20% to armor before mods/prof. A direct hit is 300. All you have to do is be able to land two rounds within 2.4 meters of your target to shell out almost 400 dmg to armor.
Thats what its meant to do,
Spkr4thedead: Me > AV
This is why tanks are unbalanced
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
848
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:31:00 -
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Mass drivers are so OP they make sissies cry a month in advance.
Who wants some?
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HYENAKILLER X
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
608
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:33:00 -
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Darken-Soul wrote:Mass drivers are so OP they make sissies cry a month in advance.
Have fun in skirm/dom hell sir : )
Tanks are for pussies.
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1436
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:34:00 -
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don't worry stairs counter MDs pretty hard
GÇ£The universe is a big place, perhaps the biggest.GÇ¥ ~ Kurt Vonnegut
Ko6, scout.
CLOSED BETA VET
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HYENAKILLER X
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
608
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:36:00 -
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Proto mass driver, proto nanohives.
You people will be begging them to use rr.
Tanks are for pussies.
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
4628
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:37:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:don't worry stairs counter MDs pretty hard
confirming stairs are evil.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 4
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
851
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:40:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Darken-Soul wrote:Mass drivers are so OP they make sissies cry a month in advance. Have fun in skirm/dom hell sir : )
this isn't COD. There are other types of weapons. While you were here crying, I was ingame learning their strengths and weaknesses. For example you won't see them doing too well on low or flat ground. So now I know where I can find them. I bet my IAFG has more range.
Who wants some?
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1643
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:43:00 -
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Out of curiosity, anyone got a link to this info? It isn't in any new Dev posts.
Or is this another damnable IRC leak...
I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - draconian forum overlord CCP Logibro]
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
4787
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:54:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:You can learn to aim a mass driver. The hard to aim comment doesnt apply.
Also mass drivers can hit you behind cover.
Im telling you man wait.
What are you talking about?
You can learn to aim a Plasma Cannon as well, but that doesn't mean it's not hard.
A PLC can also hit you behind cover.
Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
722
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:58:00 -
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Be as paranoid as you like OP, fact is that the MD (even with buffs) will only outperform direct hit weapons where they always have tight spaces or when the MD user has elevation on his opponents. Since they flattened the arc on the MD since Chromosome landing rounds on enemies behind cover is mostly restricted to when MD operator has elevation.
I ran MD through all of chromosome and half of Uprising. I have Prof 5 in the weapon currently, I just don't use it much because unless I am playing support logi to a full squad my AScR or RR is a much more effective weapon. I am well versed with how the MD works and its limitations, the damage buff is going to make it powerful and a little more viable, but it still has serious drawbacks and is very easily countered. I'd suggest you spend some time using the weapon before declaring it is going to be OP.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
285
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Posted - 2014.02.18 19:14:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:OP im interested how giving the MD 2 times less DPS as opposed to the current 3.5 times less will make it OP?
Especially when:
11-round clips is 2 1/2 clips at max ammo
Heavies recieve 25% damage reduction
Profciency skill will only improve armour damage so it hits shields for 80% and armour for 125%
Still only fires 1 per second
Shotguns will probably also be buffed
Using an MD on anything but a Commando means no rifle, which means no Long Range 1v1 weapon.
The MD will still be incredibly niche, just more viable in that niche.
The +1 to clip size per level of minmatar assault is strongly being considered for removal by the team.
I wrote a whole forum post where everyone trashed me for trying to get a +1 to ammo pool added since they were strongly considering its removal.
xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own...
So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
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AP Grasshopper
The Unit 514
173
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Posted - 2014.02.18 19:24:00 -
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All of the weapons in the game could use tweaking in my opinion. |
Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
2002
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Posted - 2014.02.18 23:13:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:OP im interested how giving the MD 2 times less DPS as opposed to the current 3.5 times less will make it OP?
Especially when:
11-round clips is 2 1/2 clips at max ammo
Heavies recieve 25% damage reduction
Profciency skill will only improve armour damage so it hits shields for 80% and armour for 125%
Still only fires 1 per second
Shotguns will probably also be buffed
Using an MD on anything but a Commando means no rifle, which means no Long Range 1v1 weapon.
The MD will still be incredibly niche, just more viable in that niche.
The +1 to clip size per level of minmatar assault is strongly being considered for removal by the team. I wrote a whole forum post where everyone trashed me for trying to get a +1 to ammo pool added since they were strongly considering its removal.
I hope they keep, that or I want the amarrian bonus removed, its unfair they get such a get bonus but no-one else should.
Spkr4thedead: Me > AV
This is why tanks are unbalanced
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
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Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
126
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Posted - 2014.02.18 23:53:00 -
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really all the MD needs is a buff to armor effectiveness. this would also raise the value of shield tanking. whatever. i've used MD since september 2012. nothing to see here since it's buff will only last 1 build before renerfing it again.
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
7295
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Posted - 2014.02.19 00:01:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:OP im interested how giving the MD 2 times less DPS as opposed to the current 3.5 times less will make it OP?
Especially when:
11-round clips is 2 1/2 clips at max ammo
Heavies recieve 25% damage reduction
Profciency skill will only improve armour damage so it hits shields for 80% and armour for 125%
Still only fires 1 per second
Shotguns will probably also be buffed
Using an MD on anything but a Commando means no rifle, which means no Long Range 1v1 weapon.
The MD will still be incredibly niche, just more viable in that niche.
The +1 to clip size per level of minmatar assault is strongly being considered for removal by the team. I wrote a whole forum post where everyone trashed me for trying to get a +1 to ammo pool added since they were strongly considering its removal. I hope they keep, that or I want the amarrian bonus removed, its unfair they get such a get bonus but no-one else should.
Why its the only bonus that makes reasonable sense.
Caldari should have the RR spool increased so Cal Assault has spool management bonus.
Min Increased recoil, so recoil bonus.
Gal perhaps gets better RoF bonuses, or something in keeping with their racial proclivity.
"Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
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Salviatino Maiano
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
119
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Posted - 2014.02.19 00:10:00 -
[49] - Quote
::MD standing on nanohive on ledge overlooking point lobbing rounds down::
*Decloaking*
*Shink Shink*
::NK scout collects tears and runs into shadows::
I'm right behind you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=29eS4dXgT58#t=36
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HYENAKILLER X
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
609
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Posted - 2014.02.19 00:25:00 -
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Lol paranoid?
Like I said enjoy dom/skirm spam.
Tanks are for pussies.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
2002
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Posted - 2014.02.19 07:55:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:OP im interested how giving the MD 2 times less DPS as opposed to the current 3.5 times less will make it OP?
Especially when:
11-round clips is 2 1/2 clips at max ammo
Heavies recieve 25% damage reduction
Profciency skill will only improve armour damage so it hits shields for 80% and armour for 125%
Still only fires 1 per second
Shotguns will probably also be buffed
Using an MD on anything but a Commando means no rifle, which means no Long Range 1v1 weapon.
The MD will still be incredibly niche, just more viable in that niche.
The +1 to clip size per level of minmatar assault is strongly being considered for removal by the team. I wrote a whole forum post where everyone trashed me for trying to get a +1 to ammo pool added since they were strongly considering its removal. I hope they keep, that or I want the amarrian bonus removed, its unfair they get such a get bonus but no-one else should. Why its the only bonus that makes reasonable sense. Caldari should have the RR spool increased so Cal Assault has spool management bonus. Min Increased recoil, so recoil bonus. Gal perhaps gets better RoF bonuses, or something in keeping with their racial proclivity.
Minmatar have always had mag size, its more fitting with the feel of minmatar.
In your example your screwing the minmatar and caldari over.
You are then giving Gallante higher DPS amd amarrians still getmthensame bonus that gives them higher sustained DPS , there is no way you can get a bonus like that without giving thenMinmatar some kind of useful bonus.
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Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.02.19 08:04:00 -
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Delta90212 wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:Bet the new mass driver makes the rail rifle look weak.
Cant wait to see the people in this community finally realize what op really is.
Op is unfightable. The rail rifle WAS NEVER unfightable.
The mass driver will be.
You heard it here first. So a 60-30 dmg increase on a very slow fire rate weapon with a unreliable arc makes it OP?
Oh they are fixing the mass driver? Sweet! All it really needs is 30-60 DMG and it will be solid. Sauce plz?
Also it will probably be the only thing that can counter a gal heavy. |
Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
771
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Posted - 2014.02.19 08:11:00 -
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Oh also, 1.8 sentinels beg to differ |
Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
1291
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Posted - 2014.02.19 08:15:00 -
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Commando mk0 + MD + Swarms + CR = http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/000/578/1234931504682.jpg
Drop it like its hat.
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McFurious
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
632
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Posted - 2014.02.19 08:19:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:The damage buff is very nice, but, as others have stated, Heavies shall laugh MD rounds off.
Plus, with the removal of the +1 to clip size and limited ammo pool, we're still gonna have issues.
They removed +1 clip bonus? Can I get some confirmation? I think it's a good idea to remove it, just wanting to know what they're going to replace it with.
Rifles are getting a nerf but they'll still have AA and the aiming isn't as bad in general like that one build where the MD was FOTM. I really don't want a repeat of that.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
6648
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Posted - 2014.02.19 12:38:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Cat Merc wrote:He has a point.
Rifles are getting nerfed, Mass Driver buffed.
If Mass Driver can beat the rifles in direct combat, while taking half the aiming, this ain't gonna be pretty.
At the very least they should remove the aiming jerk that the Mass Driver does to whoever it hits. MD is, and has always been, harder to aim with than an AR/Rifle in Dust.
Yes because it takes a lot of effort to hit a target with a 14m blast diameter.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Venerable Phage
Red Shirts Away Team
31
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Posted - 2014.02.19 12:45:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:Bet the new mass driver makes the rail rifle look weak.
Cant wait to see the people in this community finally realize what op really is.
Op is unfightable. The rail rifle WAS NEVER unfightable.
The mass driver will be.
You heard it here first. Call me when 3/4 of the userbase uses the MD. Until then, Dust is still AR 514 even though we have a couple of new ARs.
Call me when the Nyain's are using them as their default load out |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
507
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Posted - 2014.02.19 13:45:00 -
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Md should be crowd control and area denial. But it should not win 1v1s unless the opponent is terrible. A splash weapon should not be viable as a main. As part of a squad? Helping to damage groups and throw off thier aim? Yes. Personally I think the md would've been betters served as plasma not explosive. Allow it to strip the shields of a group and let your squad rack up kills |
Jansuza Scuzzy
Stardust Incorporation
IMMORTAL REGIME
0
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Posted - 2014.02.19 13:49:00 -
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I can't really comment on if it will replace the RR as the default weapon, but I've been using nothing but the mass driver for about 6 months now, and I like to think I've gotten pretty good with it. Having said that, I think the MD doesn't currently compete very well.
A few points that should be considered:
The mass driver is quite easy to aim between 0-25M. After that it gets rather difficult, especially if you're being shot at. The upside is that the aim function is never required.
If you're shooting at somebody on higher ground, the difficulty trebles (at least!)
Loads of damage if you get a direct hit, but they're very difficult to get. You can aim at the redberry's body, but if you miss, you likely won't get any damage as it'll travel another 6-7M. I think most MD players would rather go for a more certain half damage.
Shield tanking suits laugh at you, as do most heavies. When I see either, I go the other way around.
Long reload time. Even at level 5 reload. it takes a damn long time. I play logi so I don't even have a sidearm. You have to plan well.
Explosives hurt you too. I've had quite a few canny players meet me in close quarters and simply run up to me while firing, meaning that in that last dash to kill them, you can quite often kill yourself too.
Small ammo capacity. You can't run a mass-driver without nanohives, so it in-effect takes up two slots and quite a lot more PG/CPU than just the gun itself. At the same time, the nerf to hives is coming into effect, making it even more difficult to to run them.
Of course there's many good things about them as well. There's nothing quite like setting up shop on an elevated position and taking down red dot after red dot, but there's also that same sinking feeling you get when a red crests the top of a hill by you, and realizing that you're going to have to run all the way to the top before you can think of shooting at him.
It will make for a bit more variety, even if it is a bit OP, which I definitely don't think it will be. Isn't anybody else getting a bit tired of the rifle spam?
Using the mass driver exclusively since 1.5
Because I can't aim...
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NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1079
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Posted - 2014.02.19 14:12:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Bet the new mass driver makes the rail rifle look weak.
Cant wait to see the people in this community finally realize what op really is.
Op is unfightable. The rail rifle WAS NEVER unfightable.
The mass driver will be.
You heard it here first.
It's not even back yet... MD was never nerfed or anything. I still carry it around to **** people off or to blow off some steam... So A MD OP Thread already ?! |
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Jansuza Scuzzy
Stardust Incorporation
IMMORTAL REGIME
0
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Posted - 2014.02.19 16:23:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:It's not even back yet... MD was never nerfed or anything. I still carry it around to **** people off or to blow off some steam... So A MD OP Thread already ?!
I suppose we all remember a time when the MD was a bit overpowered, so maybe the knee-jerk isn't completely unwarranted, but in the current edition-creep where the power level of many things seems to have gone up substantially, I think it's unwarranted.
Using the mass driver exclusively since 1.5
Because I can't aim...
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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro
PAND3M0N1UM
Lokun Listamenn
171
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Posted - 2014.02.19 16:34:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:Heavies are gonna laugh at those "OP" Massholes and feed em to the HMG
Whoa whoa whoa....
Are we finally getting to a true Rock Paper Scissors balance? Where one suit or platform really can't fight another, yet nothing is drastically OP?!
Here's to you kid, you're a responsible 18 year old now. (See what I did there  1.8 = 18)
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
1104
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Posted - 2014.02.19 16:39:00 -
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Not too scared. Been wanting viable MDs for some time now. The heavy with rifles epidemic is about to be dealt with thanks to this. Now we must fear those Commandos with Combat Rifles and Mass Drivers. NO ONE IS SAFE D:
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Rusty Shallows
992
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Posted - 2014.02.19 17:21:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:He has a point.
Rifles are getting nerfed, Mass Driver buffed.
If Mass Driver can beat the rifles in direct combat, while taking half the aiming, this ain't gonna be pretty.
At the very least they should remove the aiming jerk that the Mass Driver does to whoever it hits.
Interesting idea but a terrible game mechanic. Adding to people's inherent virtual shell-shock exasperates the hate
Just how well Mass Drivers handle post 1.8 is going to be directly related to the changes to Handheld Damage Mods and if the stacking problem is finally addressed. Rifles will still benefit more from them but that never seems to enter the calculations.
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
2653
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Posted - 2014.02.19 17:28:00 -
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I wasn't scared the first time.
Are they bringing back the old explosive shake? That was the most OP part of that old MD (especially when paired with the ****** Hit Detection of that era), not the damage.
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Red Star.
EoN.
220
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Posted - 2014.02.19 17:32:00 -
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If they RENERF em I'm already speced into em so I ain't got **** to lose :D
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2014.02.19 21:19:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Cat Merc wrote:He has a point.
Rifles are getting nerfed, Mass Driver buffed.
If Mass Driver can beat the rifles in direct combat, while taking half the aiming, this ain't gonna be pretty.
At the very least they should remove the aiming jerk that the Mass Driver does to whoever it hits. MD is, and has always been, harder to aim with than an AR/Rifle in Dust. Yes because it takes a lot of effort to hit a target with a 14m blast diameter.
AS you well know, the MD is considerably harder to use than any hitscan Aimbotted nonsense that exists in Dust. I coulter your ridiculous straw man argument with my own: Spray and pray for the win!
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