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True Adamance wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

ResistanceGTA wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

OP im interested how giving the MD 2 times less DPS as opposed to the current 3.5 times less will make it OP?
Especially when:

11-round clips is 2 1/2 clips at max ammo
Heavies recieve 25% damage reduction
Profciency skill will only improve armour damage so it hits shields for 80% and armour for 125%
Still only fires 1 per second
Shotguns will probably also be buffed
Using an MD on anything but a Commando means no rifle, which means no Long Range 1v1 weapon.

The MD will still be incredibly niche, just more viable in that niche.

The +1 to clip size per level of minmatar assault is strongly being considered for removal by the team.

I wrote a whole forum post where everyone trashed me for trying to get a +1 to ammo pool added since they were strongly considering its removal.

I hope they keep, that or I want the amarrian bonus removed, its unfair they get such a get bonus but no-one else should.

Why its the only bonus that makes reasonable sense.

Caldari should have the RR spool increased so Cal Assault has spool management bonus.

Min Increased recoil, so recoil bonus.

Gal perhaps gets better RoF bonuses, or something in keeping with their racial proclivity.

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Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 1994	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:28:00 - [31] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Just lol'ing at future skirm/dom games. Seriously lol'ing. I get what you are saying. I was thinking about this the other night...Even if, and a big IF, they get TTK somewhat right and balance looks close. Imagine a competent squad, not these blueberry fucks, but a competent one of the typical "protostomp squads", (RE, AE, 0H, NS, FA, WTF) running a ScR and a MD combo. The sweet tear harvest that will ensue is going to be one for the ages. The ScR to knock the shield off anything, then a buffed MD direct hitting at 300...Holy **** I'm with you Hyena, MD will be the source of much QQ Especially if the Mini Assault gets ANY kind of bonus to it. That is called tactics, what should be winning games on here, not everyone running the same. The MD should have a place on EVERY competent squad. Spkr4thedead: Me > AV This is why tanks are unbalanced Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
HYENAKILLER X Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 608	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:29:00 - [32] - Quote You can learn to aim a mass driver. The hard to aim comment doesnt apply. Also mass drivers can hit you behind cover. Im telling you man wait. Tanks are for pussies.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 244	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:30:00 - [33] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: OP im interested how giving the MD 2 times less DPS as opposed to the current 3.5 times less will make it OP? Especially when: 11-round clips is 2 1/2 clips at max ammo Heavies recieve 25% damage reduction Profciency skill will only improve armour damage so it hits shields for 80% and armour for 125% Still only fires 1 per second Shotguns will probably also be buffed Using an MD on anything but a Commando means no rifle, which means no Long Range 1v1 weapon. The MD will still be incredibly niche, just more viable in that niche. At least I might find a use for that Commando suit I mistakenly got. Because, that's why.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 1998	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:31:00 - [34] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Cat Merc wrote: He has a point. Rifles are getting nerfed, Mass Driver buffed. If Mass Driver can beat the rifles in direct combat, while taking half the aiming, this ain't gonna be pretty. At the very least they should remove the aiming jerk that the Mass Driver does to whoever it hits. Except that MDs take twice the aiming of rifle not half. Much harder to get rounds on target with an MD than any rifle You're right, but the splash damage is still 100 something, with +20% to armor before mods/prof. A direct hit is 300. All you have to do is be able to land two rounds within 2.4 meters of your target to shell out almost 400 dmg to armor. Thats what its meant to do, Spkr4thedead: Me > AV This is why tanks are unbalanced Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 848	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:31:00 - [35] - Quote Mass drivers are so OP they make sissies cry a month in advance. Who wants some?
HYENAKILLER X Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 608	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:33:00 - [36] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Mass drivers are so OP they make sissies cry a month in advance. Have fun in skirm/dom hell sir : ) Tanks are for pussies.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1436	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:34:00 - [37] - Quote don't worry stairs counter MDs pretty hard GÇ£The universe is a big place, perhaps the biggest.GÇ¥ ~ Kurt Vonnegut Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
HYENAKILLER X Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 608	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:36:00 - [38] - Quote Proto mass driver, proto nanohives. You people will be begging them to use rr. Tanks are for pussies.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4628	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:37:00 - [39] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: don't worry stairs counter MDs pretty hard confirming stairs are evil. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 851	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:40:00 - [40] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Mass drivers are so OP they make sissies cry a month in advance. Have fun in skirm/dom hell sir : ) this isn't COD. There are other types of weapons. While you were here crying, I was ingame learning their strengths and weaknesses. For example you won't see them doing too well on low or flat ground. So now I know where I can find them. I bet my IAFG has more range. Who wants some?

Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1643	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:43:00 - [41] - Quote Out of curiosity, anyone got a link to this info? It isn't in any new Dev posts. Or is this another damnable IRC leak... I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4787	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:54:00 - [42] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: You can learn to aim a mass driver. The hard to aim comment doesnt apply. Also mass drivers can hit you behind cover. Im telling you man wait. What are you talking about? You can learn to aim a Plasma Cannon as well, but that doesn't mean it's not hard. A PLC can also hit you behind cover. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 722	Posted - 2014.02.18 18:58:00 - [43] - Quote Be as paranoid as you like OP, fact is that the MD (even with buffs) will only outperform direct hit weapons where they always have tight spaces or when the MD user has elevation on his opponents. Since they flattened the arc on the MD since Chromosome landing rounds on enemies behind cover is mostly restricted to when MD operator has elevation. I ran MD through all of chromosome and half of Uprising. I have Prof 5 in the weapon currently, I just don't use it much because unless I am playing support logi to a full squad my AScR or RR is a much more effective weapon. I am well versed with how the MD works and its limitations, the damage buff is going to make it powerful and a little more viable, but it still has serious drawbacks and is very easily countered. I'd suggest you spend some time using the weapon before declaring it is going to be OP. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 285	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:14:00 - [44] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: OP im interested how giving the MD 2 times less DPS as opposed to the current 3.5 times less will make it OP? Especially when: 11-round clips is 2 1/2 clips at max ammo Heavies recieve 25% damage reduction Profciency skill will only improve armour damage so it hits shields for 80% and armour for 125% Still only fires 1 per second Shotguns will probably also be buffed Using an MD on anything but a Commando means no rifle, which means no Long Range 1v1 weapon. The MD will still be incredibly niche, just more viable in that niche. The +1 to clip size per level of minmatar assault is strongly being considered for removal by the team. I wrote a whole forum post where everyone trashed me for trying to get a +1 to ammo pool added since they were strongly considering its removal. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
AP Grasshopper The Unit 514 173	Posted - 2014.02.18 19:24:00 - [45] - Quote All of the weapons in the game could use tweaking in my opinion.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2002	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:13:00 - [46] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: OP im interested how giving the MD 2 times less DPS as opposed to the current 3.5 times less will make it OP? Especially when: 11-round clips is 2 1/2 clips at max ammo Heavies recieve 25% damage reduction Profciency skill will only improve armour damage so it hits shields for 80% and armour for 125% Still only fires 1 per second Shotguns will probably also be buffed Using an MD on anything but a Commando means no rifle, which means no Long Range 1v1 weapon. The MD will still be incredibly niche, just more viable in that niche. The +1 to clip size per level of minmatar assault is strongly being considered for removal by the team. I wrote a whole forum post where everyone trashed me for trying to get a +1 to ammo pool added since they were strongly considering its removal. I hope they keep, that or I want the amarrian bonus removed, its unfair they get such a get bonus but no-one else should. Spkr4thedead: Me > AV This is why tanks are unbalanced Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 126	Posted - 2014.02.18 23:53:00 - [47] - Quote really all the MD needs is a buff to armor effectiveness. this would also raise the value of shield tanking. whatever. i've used MD since september 2012. nothing to see here since it's buff will only last 1 build before renerfing it again. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7295	Posted - 2014.02.19 00:01:00 - [48] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: ResistanceGTA wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: OP im interested how giving the MD 2 times less DPS as opposed to the current 3.5 times less will make it OP? Especially when: 11-round clips is 2 1/2 clips at max ammo Heavies recieve 25% damage reduction Profciency skill will only improve armour damage so it hits shields for 80% and armour for 125% Still only fires 1 per second Shotguns will probably also be buffed Using an MD on anything but a Commando means no rifle, which means no Long Range 1v1 weapon. The MD will still be incredibly niche, just more viable in that niche. The +1 to clip size per level of minmatar assault is strongly being considered for removal by the team. I wrote a whole forum post where everyone trashed me for trying to get a +1 to ammo pool added since they were strongly considering its removal. I hope they keep, that or I want the amarrian bonus removed, its unfair they get such a get bonus but no-one else should. Why its the only bonus that makes reasonable sense. Caldari should have the RR spool increased so Cal Assault has spool management bonus. Min Increased recoil, so recoil bonus. Gal perhaps gets better RoF bonuses, or something in keeping with their racial proclivity. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Salviatino Maiano Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 119	Posted - 2014.02.19 00:10:00 - [49] - Quote ::MD standing on nanohive on ledge overlooking point lobbing rounds down:: Decloaking Shink Shink ::NK scout collects tears and runs into shadows:: I'm right behind you... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=29eS4dXgT58#t=36
HYENAKILLER X Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 609	Posted - 2014.02.19 00:25:00 - [50] - Quote Lol paranoid? Like I said enjoy dom/skirm spam. Tanks are for pussies.

Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2002	Posted - 2014.02.19 07:55:00 - [51] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: ResistanceGTA wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: OP im interested how giving the MD 2 times less DPS as opposed to the current 3.5 times less will make it OP? Especially when: 11-round clips is 2 1/2 clips at max ammo Heavies recieve 25% damage reduction Profciency skill will only improve armour damage so it hits shields for 80% and armour for 125% Still only fires 1 per second Shotguns will probably also be buffed Using an MD on anything but a Commando means no rifle, which means no Long Range 1v1 weapon. The MD will still be incredibly niche, just more viable in that niche. The +1 to clip size per level of minmatar assault is strongly being considered for removal by the team. I wrote a whole forum post where everyone trashed me for trying to get a +1 to ammo pool added since they were strongly considering its removal. I hope they keep, that or I want the amarrian bonus removed, its unfair they get such a get bonus but no-one else should. Why its the only bonus that makes reasonable sense. Caldari should have the RR spool increased so Cal Assault has spool management bonus. Min Increased recoil, so recoil bonus. Gal perhaps gets better RoF bonuses, or something in keeping with their racial proclivity. Minmatar have always had mag size, its more fitting with the feel of minmatar. In your example your screwing the minmatar and caldari over. You are then giving Gallante higher DPS amd amarrians still getmthensame bonus that gives them higher sustained DPS , there is no way you can get a bonus like that without giving thenMinmatar some kind of useful bonus. Spkr4thedead: Me > AV This is why tanks are unbalanced Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 771	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:04:00 - [52] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Bet the new mass driver makes the rail rifle look weak. Cant wait to see the people in this community finally realize what op really is. Op is unfightable. The rail rifle WAS NEVER unfightable. The mass driver will be. You heard it here first. So a 60-30 dmg increase on a very slow fire rate weapon with a unreliable arc makes it OP? Oh they are fixing the mass driver? Sweet! All it really needs is 30-60 DMG and it will be solid. Sauce plz? Also it will probably be the only thing that can counter a gal heavy.
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 771	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:11:00 - [53] - Quote Oh also, 1.8 sentinels beg to differ
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1291	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:15:00 - [54] - Quote Commando mk0 + MD + Swarms + CR = http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/000/578/1234931504682.jpg Drop it like its hat.
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 632	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:19:00 - [55] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: The damage buff is very nice, but, as others have stated, Heavies shall laugh MD rounds off. Plus, with the removal of the +1 to clip size and limited ammo pool, we're still gonna have issues. They removed +1 clip bonus? Can I get some confirmation? I think it's a good idea to remove it, just wanting to know what they're going to replace it with. Rifles are getting a nerf but they'll still have AA and the aiming isn't as bad in general like that one build where the MD was FOTM. I really don't want a repeat of that. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6648	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:38:00 - [56] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Cat Merc wrote: He has a point. Rifles are getting nerfed, Mass Driver buffed. If Mass Driver can beat the rifles in direct combat, while taking half the aiming, this ain't gonna be pretty. At the very least they should remove the aiming jerk that the Mass Driver does to whoever it hits. MD is, and has always been, harder to aim with than an AR/Rifle in Dust. Yes because it takes a lot of effort to hit a target with a 14m blast diameter. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 31	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:45:00 - [57] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Bet the new mass driver makes the rail rifle look weak. Cant wait to see the people in this community finally realize what op really is. Op is unfightable. The rail rifle WAS NEVER unfightable. The mass driver will be. You heard it here first. Call me when 3/4 of the userbase uses the MD. Until then, Dust is still AR 514 even though we have a couple of new ARs. Call me when the Nyain's are using them as their default load out
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 507	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:45:00 - [58] - Quote Md should be crowd control and area denial. But it should not win 1v1s unless the opponent is terrible. A splash weapon should not be viable as a main. As part of a squad? Helping to damage groups and throw off thier aim? Yes. Personally I think the md would've been betters served as plasma not explosive. Allow it to strip the shields of a group and let your squad rack up kills
Jansuza Scuzzy Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 0	Posted - 2014.02.19 13:49:00 - [59] - Quote I can't really comment on if it will replace the RR as the default weapon, but I've been using nothing but the mass driver for about 6 months now, and I like to think I've gotten pretty good with it. Having said that, I think the MD doesn't currently compete very well. A few points that should be considered: The mass driver is quite easy to aim between 0-25M. After that it gets rather difficult, especially if you're being shot at. The upside is that the aim function is never required. If you're shooting at somebody on higher ground, the difficulty trebles (at least!) Loads of damage if you get a direct hit, but they're very difficult to get. You can aim at the redberry's body, but if you miss, you likely won't get any damage as it'll travel another 6-7M. I think most MD players would rather go for a more certain half damage. Shield tanking suits laugh at you, as do most heavies. When I see either, I go the other way around. Long reload time. Even at level 5 reload. it takes a damn long time. I play logi so I don't even have a sidearm. You have to plan well. Explosives hurt you too. I've had quite a few canny players meet me in close quarters and simply run up to me while firing, meaning that in that last dash to kill them, you can quite often kill yourself too. Small ammo capacity. You can't run a mass-driver without nanohives, so it in-effect takes up two slots and quite a lot more PG/CPU than just the gun itself. At the same time, the nerf to hives is coming into effect, making it even more difficult to to run them. Of course there's many good things about them as well. There's nothing quite like setting up shop on an elevated position and taking down red dot after red dot, but there's also that same sinking feeling you get when a red crests the top of a hill by you, and realizing that you're going to have to run all the way to the top before you can think of shooting at him. It will make for a bit more variety, even if it is a bit OP, which I definitely don't think it will be. Isn't anybody else getting a bit tired of the rifle spam? Using the mass driver exclusively since 1.5 Because I can't aim...
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1079	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:12:00 - [60] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Bet the new mass driver makes the rail rifle look weak. Cant wait to see the people in this community finally realize what op really is. Op is unfightable. The rail rifle WAS NEVER unfightable. The mass driver will be. You heard it here first. It's not even back yet... MD was never nerfed or anything. I still carry it around to **** people off or to blow off some steam... So A MD OP Thread already ?!



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