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Gauder Berwyck
Deadly Blue Dots
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Posted - 2014.02.18 12:15:00 -
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Right now the game is filled with scrubs, no-top-of-the-line try-hards, EVEtards, kids and yet more scrubs.
Playing a round is a lesson of frustration and we're all to blame.
Scrubs, well... you're scrubs, I won't blame you for thinking about ISK first and foremost.
Try-hards... having fun camping roof tops?
EVEtards... this is a shooter, anything EVE doesn't magically transform to shooter mechanisms.
Kids... Can't do anything about 'em.
So we have a bunch of people playing for one thing, and one thing only; It's not the winn/loss ratio, although this doesn't come as a big surprise, it's like this in many games. It's not even KDR for many people, a bigger surprise since people that would care about KDR in one game doesn't care about KDR in this game because of this games broken nature.
It's all about the ISK... And I for one don't like it. I hate being one of two or three tops on my side that pushes the objective and plays for the win. But even scrubs these days don't play the ******* objective, and that's their main job!!! Hell, try-hards who were team players in MAG f.ex are now egotistical bastards who camp rooftops and count their profits.
So, this is my suggestion to change it:
- Lower ISK prices overall by a set factor, f.ex a factor of 4.
- Introduce BPO's for just about every militia item, and make it expensive but ISK and AUR purchasable.
- Stop ALL SP and ISK payouts for the LOSING side of a match - only the WINNING side gets ISK and AUR.
Do this, and watch in awe as the game is being played more as a game again:
- Scrubs will do what scrubs do best, namely pushing the objective.
- Try-hards will do what try-hards do best, namely capturing the objective.
- EVEtards get their satisfaction of playing a "hardcore" game that doesn't reward stupidity as well as a lack of teamplay and skill.
It's the way to go forward with this game kids, and you all know it! |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
1245
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Posted - 2014.02.18 12:22:00 -
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I'm confused. Which one of those four categories do you fit in? Because it has to be one of those four you named. Nobody is getting away with being any better than those four categories. Sorry.
Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
3681
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Posted - 2014.02.18 12:24:00 -
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Fine, but fix pubstomping and Scotty's BS matchmaking (although the latter has improved drastically)
It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it
-Aristotle
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
1905
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Posted - 2014.02.18 12:25:00 -
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Want to have my children?
FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
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Gauder Berwyck
Deadly Blue Dots
312
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Posted - 2014.02.18 12:32:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:I'm confused. Which one of those four categories do you fit in? Because it has to be one of those four you named. Nobody is getting away with being any better than those four categories. Sorry.
I'm a little of all. Not quite scrubby enough to be a scrub, not good enough to be a try-hard, I like EVE but haven't played it enough to be an EVE-tard and to top it all off, I have a childish nature.
As for books, try Panzer Leader by Guderian if you haven't already, just saw the Rommel siggy. |
axujen
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.02.18 12:36:00 -
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I dont really agree with you, i like how the game rewards the players performance.
If im pushing the objective and killing i still get rewarded so i can compensate for the loss, if the there were no rewards for losing then as soon as the match gets tough i would just switch to a militia suit and camp a corner for easy kills because im not risking 40k isk suits for nothing.
That said there should be more incentive to push objectives and and play as a team, maybe a small wp bonus for anything gained near an objective or a bunch of friendlies. |
Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming
Zero-Day
856
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Posted - 2014.02.18 12:43:00 -
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Damn
Where the f*** do I fit in?
I have a **** load of isk
I'm certainly not a tryhard. Tryhards redline and then damn near kill themselves countless times trying to scrape extra kills.
I have no clue what goes on in EvE
and I'm too old and tired to be called a kid
"...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
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Mikey The Bandaid
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
175
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Posted - 2014.02.18 12:45:00 -
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Go play FW or PC. Pubs will always be what they are now. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
2036
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Posted - 2014.02.18 12:47:00 -
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Why does every shmuck who gets POd at blueberries not pushing objectives immediately go to ZERO reward for losing? That's called "the broken FW reward mechanic" around here, and it's stupid.
Can we maybe try a bonus for winning instead, you know, so we don't go from 95% of new players quitting because of the brutal learning curve to 99% because they all go broke and can't even make enough ISK to buy skill books? Which they don't even need because you aren't giving them SP either...
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Forum Warrior lv.2
Amarr victor!
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Glass Zeraki
The Phoenix Federation
Proficiency V.
13
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Posted - 2014.02.18 12:47:00 -
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axujen wrote:I dont really agree with you, i like how the game rewards the players performance.
If im pushing the objective and killing i still get rewarded so i can compensate for the loss, if the there were no rewards for losing then as soon as the match gets tough i would just switch to a militia suit and camp a corner for easy kills because im not risking 40k isk suits for nothing.
That said there should be more incentive to push objectives and and play as a team, maybe a small wp bonus for anything gained near an objective or a bunch of friendlies.
I like the WP bonus near an objective idea. It could work like a defend order. It might give an overwhelming advantage to the team that holds it though.
Sub-Director of The Phoenix Federation. Shut up or I'll mute you.
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Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2014.02.18 12:51:00 -
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imo tryhards are the guys who put a sense of over importance on a pub match and scream about it on the mic
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
9713
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Posted - 2014.02.18 12:58:00 -
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This... isn't actually terrible.
Also, kind of nice to see DBD here.
ZATARA CARRIES US ALL
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
MAG Raven
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2611
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Posted - 2014.02.18 13:03:00 -
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Maybe after PVE is added you can remove ISK from pubs because then pubs would be dead and PVE would be busy because if you are going to fight for no ISK you might aswell do FW instead and for the big payouts and competitve play do PC
Intelligence is OP
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Takron Nistrom
Tinfoil Hatz
212
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Posted - 2014.02.18 13:10:00 -
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All you do is add incentive to try and add incentive to run good **** and it should be fine.
GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥
GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
279
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Posted - 2014.02.18 13:18:00 -
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I guess I fall into the tryhards, though the only time I'm involved in rooftops, I'm killing little camping b*tches with my Incubus. I do my best to play for the win, but, you can only do so much with a dozen blueberries walking around, breathing up your air.
Removing payouts for losing... Well, FW games take awhile, and you at least get a little LP and some salvage, imagine how pubs would be with no reward unless you lose.
And they say no respec will kill this game...
xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own...
So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
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Sleepy Shadow
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
101
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Posted - 2014.02.18 14:58:00 -
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I donGÇÖt agree with no ISK reward for the losing side as long as you cannot choose who you play with. In PC this works, because you can actually select the people who fight with you. If you lose, you better start perfecting your squads and training more. You donGÇÖt have this luxury in public matches. We donGÇÖt even have a good matchmaking system that would be even remotely fair to both sides. Punishing one side for not having enough SP to compete is obnoxiously bad idea. Removing the payouts from half the players this game has might backfire. And fast.
If losing side gained no ISK, people would start leaving clearly lopsided battles before they even begun. Or any match where they see a few corp names on the other side. People would also quit halfway if it is clear that your efforts will not win the match. They might not leave anymore but they will stay in the red line and most likely snipe. None of these scenarios I find appealing.
The ISK gain is an issue, but not that you get it even when you lose, but that you donGÇÖt get enough of it. IGÇÖm not saying we should be able to easily afford proto, but we need better payouts. It irks me that if we had an awesome match, where both sides fought hard, most people go ISK negative. ItGÇÖs barely affordable to run ADV fits and I find that sad. Grinding for SP and therefore better gear is pretty much all this game has to offer.
EDIT: Holy fudge Batman, you were also suggesting no SP for losing side!? Are you insane? OK, I get it, you had a bad match with bbGÇÖs but for the love of all that is good and pure, try to contain your rage a little. OMG, do this and watch in awe as the game dies within weeks.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
2704
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Posted - 2014.02.18 15:08:00 -
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Fun>ISK>Winning>KDR
Templar BPO(375Mil)
EVE Pilot
I feed off your tears
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
662
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Posted - 2014.02.18 15:12:00 -
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Why would you play pub matches if you are so dedicated to winning?
I think FW may fit your playstyle, you get nothing if you lose there. And you can actually build a team if you try so you can stop complaining about blueberries. Plus there is no Isk so nobody is playing that mode for the money.
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