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Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 34	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:08:00 - [1] - Quote We, the solo players of dust, the vast majority of the playerbase, the silent majority, suffer: 1) -20% WP (SP if you don't cap) just because... 2) Placing in half or more finished battles (mostly on the loosing side) 3) death by orbitals, but no orbitals for us 4) Much higher risk/reward 5) Incredibly harder to come by kills (most of the time outnumbered) 6) Way higher stomp ratios Please CCP make a Solo portion of your game. Look at the numbers of players in your NPC corps (tal-romon for example has 85,000 mercs). We make up the vast majority of your game, we endure impossible odds, we deal having to fight outnumber at all times, we deal with q-synced Nyan San just shitting all over your game. We also outnumber people in player corporations 100 to 1. Throw us a bone. Watch your back because I might be there.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1195	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:15:00 - [2] - Quote I don't really have a problem running solo except getting placed in late games. That really gets on my nerves.
Christiphoros von Poe Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 99	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:17:00 - [3] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: We, the solo players of dust, the vast majority of the playerbase, the silent majority, suffer: 1) -20% WP (SP if you don't cap) just because... 2) Placing in half or more finished battles (mostly on the loosing side) 3) death by orbitals, but no orbitals for us 4) Much higher risk/reward 5) Incredibly harder to come by kills (most of the time outnumbered) 6) Way higher stomp ratios Please CCP make a Solo portion of your game. Look at the numbers of players in your NPC corps (tal-romon for example has 85,000 mercs). We make up the vast majority of your game, we endure impossible odds, we deal having to fight outnumber at all times, we deal with q-synced Nyan San just shitting all over your game. We also outnumber people in player corporations 100 to 1. Throw us a bone. 85,000? wat? (1) "Exile" Assault Rifle reserved for: Fire of Prometheus
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 34	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:20:00 - [4] - Quote Christiphoros von Poe wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: We, the solo players of dust, the vast majority of the playerbase, the silent majority, suffer: 1) -20% WP (SP if you don't cap) just because... 2) Placing in half or more finished battles (mostly on the loosing side) 3) death by orbitals, but no orbitals for us 4) Much higher risk/reward 5) Incredibly harder to come by kills (most of the time outnumbered) 6) Way higher stomp ratios Please CCP make a Solo portion of your game. Look at the numbers of players in your NPC corps (tal-romon for example has 85,000 mercs). We make up the vast majority of your game, we endure impossible odds, we deal having to fight outnumber at all times, we deal with q-synced Nyan San just shitting all over your game. We also outnumber people in player corporations 100 to 1. Throw us a bone. 85,000? wat? Yeah, I did this with a few people. Here is how: Add NPC corp merc to your contacts, then look at friends corporations ( I forget which tab it is). I tried out two different NPC corporations. Both corporations had over 80,000 members (different numbers though) and were both amarrian. Basically, wheny ou see the numbers, the amount of peopel who must have tried out this game is mindblowing. Whay do they all quit? Because if you are not in a squad, the entire games is 100% stacked against you. I am not sure if this "crap on your customers" approach is a new idea, but it sure doesn't seem to be working with dust. Watch your back because I might be there.
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 565	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:23:00 - [5] - Quote What kind of bone are you looking for, exactly? I contribute nothing.
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 335	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:23:00 - [6] - Quote you're assuming that all of the players in NPC corps don't use squads at all and you assume they are not SP hoarding alts There is a solution to the "no orbitals" issue you posted, which is to make a squad and then lock it so no one can join Tech De Ra for CPM1
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 34	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:26:00 - [7] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: What kind of bone are you looking for, exactly? squints eyes Not sure if sexual inuendo or not.... Anyway, either a mode which is squad free, or some NPE. The squad free mode would be awesome. Basically everyone who is complaining about "proto-stomping" is complaining about squads, not their gear. Squads would still destroy them with militia gear. 5 vs 1 is still bullshit anyway you slice it. Watch your back because I might be there.
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 760	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:27:00 - [8] - Quote Well then I think we all know what you need to stop doing!
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 854	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:28:00 - [9] - Quote your not outnumbered. its 16 v 16 If your fighting in a game with uneven numbers / imbalanced teams then just hide in the redline until the match is over. You can also leave a battle, and that's a fair option, but personally I prefer not to put another solo player in my place. I also think its better making the game as boring as possible to the stacked / q synced team on the other side. Also bear in mind the numbers in the NPC corps are mostly alts gathering passive SP and abandoned characters "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 34	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:28:00 - [10] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: you're assuming that all of the players in NPC corps don't use squads at all and you assume they are not SP hoarding alts There is a solution to the "no orbitals" issue you posted, which is to make a squad and then lock it so no one can join I am making a guess that at least a non-insignificant portion... hell lets say only 1/2 of the corp, don't squad/are alts. I am assuming that most of the corps are filled with players who tried dust, got stomped, left dust. Watch your back because I might be there.

Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 35	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:29:00 - [11] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: your not outnumbered. its 16 v 16 If your fighting in a game with uneven numbers / imbalanced teams then just hide in the redline until the match is over. You can also leave a battle, and that's a fair option, but personally I prefer not to put another solo player in my place. I also think its better making the game as boring as possible to the stacked / q synced team on the other side. Also bear in mind the numbers in the NPC corps are mostly alts gathering passive SP and abandoned characters Source? (for your last bit of info, you say it with such authority it must be a fact right?) Watch your back because I might be there.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1703	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:29:00 - [12] - Quote While I agree, I'd just like to point out that I myself have made like 70 characters historically, and have about six alts right now. Most of those 85k don't actually exist :) (I do spend a lot of time solo, fwiw) Forge on for great justice! Defend the meek! Destroy the weak! Q-sync breaches into the rectum of everyone else!
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 35	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:32:00 - [13] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: While I agree, I'd just like to point out that I myself have made like 70 characters historically, and have about six alts right now. Most of those 85k don't actually exist :) (I do spend a lot of time solo, fwiw) 70 alts? My good god. That means you must have at least 24 PSN accounts. That is insane man. I think we can go ahead an call you an outlier. For everyone else: Let me put it this way. Go look at where the population of eve is at, notice something? Watch your back because I might be there.
Yan Darn Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 230	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:36:00 - [14] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I don't really have a problem running solo except getting placed in late games. That really gets on my nerves. This - I use to solo most of the time because of time constraints and you can spend half the time you have waiting for people to return from AFK etc. Though solo, you can spend 2mins queuing, and maybe 5mins actually in game - which is including the time you spend spawning at a camped CRUs/uplinks. If I play 10 games solo, I can generally expect my system will crash at least once, because while the game is trying to deploy me our MCC is destroyed... So pretty much guaranteeing that doesn't happen is one my top 5 reasons for squadding now. You probably don't know me. But next time you get gunned down or exploded by a Valor scout...check the name.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 854	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:38:00 - [15] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Also bear in mind the numbers in the NPC corps are mostly alts gathering passive SP and abandoned characters Source? (for your last bit of info, you say it with such authority it must be a fact right?) Just experience in other corps. Players go inactive then get removed from the corp by the CEO's and then they just gather dust back in a random NPC corp "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 9703	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:39:00 - [16] - Quote I mostly play solo. Apart from the odd match against Q-synced tank spammers, I have no problems. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 35	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:41:00 - [17] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I mostly play solo. Apart from the odd match against Q-synced tank spammers, I have no problems. I have a question for you arkena, what is the type of modded controller you use? I wanted to get one too. Watch your back because I might be there.
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 287	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:45:00 - [18] - Quote This is not a solo game. Stop trying to make it a COD clone, it's already near enough that I quit months ago.
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 35	Posted - 2014.02.18 08:49:00 - [19] - Quote Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: This is not a solo game. Stop trying to make it a COD clone, it's already near enough that I quit months ago. So I never understood that argument. COD- one of the most successful and beloved FPS series of all time, with millions of fans and large amounts of content you - "This isn't COD @#$%@#$@" WTF are you talking about? Watch your back because I might be there.
Hagintora Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2014.02.18 09:35:00 - [20] - Quote As far as the Risk/Reward System goes, solo players do take a larger risk overall but get less in the way of rewards for doing so. Maybe compensate that with a higher ISK payout, or a better salvage rate or something. It doesn't have to be a large compensation, just something that at least acknowledges the higher risk.

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2738	Posted - 2014.02.18 09:42:00 - [21] - Quote 85k, damn that's a lot who don't play anymore, and thats just one npc corp. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 9706	Posted - 2014.02.18 09:44:00 - [22] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I mostly play solo. Apart from the odd match against Q-synced tank spammers, I have no problems. I have a question for you arkena, what is the type of modded controller you use? I wanted to get one too. I use a stock DS3. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 609	Posted - 2014.02.18 10:16:00 - [23] - Quote I solo because it's harder. That and I hate having to hear people mouth breathings, kids screaming and entire families talking in the background. CCP your matchmaking is better but still sucks a fair amount Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 746	Posted - 2014.02.18 10:23:00 - [24] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: We, the solo players of dust, the vast majority of the playerbase, the silent majority, suffer: 1) -20% WP (SP if you don't cap) just because... 2) Placing in half or more finished battles (mostly on the loosing side) 3) death by orbitals, but no orbitals for us 4) Much higher risk/reward 5) Incredibly harder to come by kills (most of the time outnumbered) 6) Way higher stomp ratios Please CCP make a Solo portion of your game. Look at the numbers of players in your NPC corps (tal-romon for example has 85,000 mercs). We make up the vast majority of your game, we endure impossible odds, we deal having to fight outnumber at all times, we deal with q-synced Nyan San just shitting all over your game. We also outnumber people in player corporations 100 to 1. Throw us a bone. I play solo and in squads about equal amounts, and thought I'd pitch in here. I agree (1) is a bit stupid. Shouldn't teamwork be it's own reward? Why does it need an artificial WP boost? (2) Probably the worst thing about going solo. You're definitely more at risk of getting stuck in an unwinnable half-finished (or worse) game. (3) Agree, WP should be pooled across 'no squad' players, and OBs given to the no-squad player with most WPs. That way an OB might actually turn a close game rather than just add insult to pubstomp injury. (4) Higher risk, not sure about higher rewards though? (5) I kind of disagree on this one. Most of my big (40+) scores have been when solo or in a two or three man squad. If you play with a full squad of decent players they steal half your kills (6) Obviously... I don't think a solo mode is the solution. That's contrary to what CCP is trying to achieve, which is a game with a social side that keeps people there - basically facebook but with shooting people in the face. PS - 95%+ of those NPC corp players don't play anymore or are unused alts. I have about a dozen alts I don't use sat in NPC corps, and only one character in a real corp. The NPC players who do play at all generally play less, and are much less likely to stick with the game or buy boosters than player corp players. Even so, the NPC corp players are the future of the game, so CCP should give them a little more love, basically by giving fewer nonsensical bonuses to squads.
Yokal Bob G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 383	Posted - 2014.02.18 11:11:00 - [25] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: (3) Agree, why would the warbarge gunner say 'I'm not giving you OBs, you didn't even get in squads!'. WP should be pooled across 'no squad' players, and OBs given to the no-squad player with most WPs. That way an OB might actually turn a close game rather than just add insult to pubstomp injury. I also run solo most of the time, and no offence, but this sounds ridiculous. If your running solo then 90% of the time your not a squad lead so you have no 'authority', your just a regular clone. Chances are you won't even have the communications to give coordinates to the pilot in space. CPM1 candidate I want my logi tank back
Chuckles Brown 55	Posted - 2014.02.18 11:15:00 - [26] - Quote I play my best matches solo, but at the same time I don't like to always try that hard The Official alt of 8213 Do you pub, brah?
Krator Kosta Nostra Nos Nothi 0	Posted - 2014.02.18 14:16:00 - [27] - Quote I think the obvious answer is to dump anyone that is not allocated to a squad during deployment/beginning of the game, into a squad. And , also have it kick you out of the squad at the end of a match if you came into the game w/o a squad. That way your always on a fresh squad.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3037	Posted - 2014.02.18 14:55:00 - [28] - Quote Choosing to run lone wolf means you are choosing to give up the benefits given to a squad. There are many successful solo mercenaries that "win" by whatever metric is important to them, whether that is KDR, WP or just plain winning matches. Personally, my metric is to hold an objective for an entire match so that my team can focus on the others and I'm very capable at it. Even without the 20% bonus I can place in the top few spots of a match. Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: This is not a solo game. Stop trying to make it a COD clone, it's already near enough that I quit months ago. This statement is wrong. PC is a group game mode. The rest give you a choice. Even the description for public matches mentions solo mercenaries. I solo half the time and when I do squad up it's usually with just one other person. We choose to keep to ourselves because of all the reasons mentioned by others in this thread. We don't do PC because it's not worth it to us. Krator Kosta Nostra wrote: I think the obvious answer is to dump anyone that is not allocated to a squad during deployment/beginning of the game, into a squad. And , also have it kick you out of the squad at the end of a match if you came into the game w/o a squad. That way your always on a fresh squad. It sort of worked this way at one point but they removed it because it was annoying. Either the player wanted to be solo and had to leave that squad at the beginning of every match or the people that stayed were not on comms and didn't operate as a squad anyway. // Lance Commander // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 327	Posted - 2014.02.18 15:10:00 - [29] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: This is not a solo game. Stop trying to make it a COD clone, it's already near enough that I quit months ago. So I never understood that argument. COD- one of the most successful and beloved FPS series of all time, with millions of fans and large amounts of content you - "This isn't COD @#$%@#$@" WTF are you talking about? smh...you just dont get it, kid. ps cod blows, any 12 year old can go positive. ive literally watch my friends 6 and 8 year olds play splitscreenand go 8/7 or so. you wanna talk broken. just go away, you dont belong here, and please never even think about dust514 club again...i say good day
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1433	Posted - 2014.02.18 15:32:00 - [30] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: We, the solo players of dust, the vast majority of the playerbase, the silent majority, suffer: 1) -20% WP (SP if you don't cap) just because... 2) Placing in half or more finished battles (mostly on the loosing side) 3) death by orbitals, but no orbitals for us 4) Much higher risk/reward 5) Incredibly harder to come by kills (most of the time outnumbered) 6) Way higher stomp ratios Please CCP make a Solo portion of your game. Look at the numbers of players in your NPC corps (tal-romon for example has 85,000 mercs). We make up the vast majority of your game, we endure impossible odds, we deal having to fight outnumber at all times, we deal with q-synced Nyan San just shitting all over your game. We also outnumber people in player corporations 100 to 1. Throw us a bone. clears throat welcome to new eden. contrary to most games, media, and art forms, new eden wasn't designed to be enjoyed alone. if I were to draw a comparison it's like trying to play cards with only yourself, you can do it but your options are rather limited. but wait PVE will save solo players! L4 & L5 missions you'll probably want to bring a few friends. GÇ£The universe is a big place, perhaps the biggest.GÇ¥* ~ Kurt Vonnegut Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET



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