DUST Search - why is everyone upset about light weapon heavies?

Soldiersaint wrote:

D legendary hero wrote:

it reveals 3 things:

*light weapons are clearly over powered.

*heavy weapons are clearly underpowered.

*most people complaining are clearly assult suit users

CCP promoted this in an E3 video having a heavy snipe. Each suit has its advantages and disadvantages.
but what possible explanation could their be for a heavy not holding a light weapon?

scouts, and mediums can't use heavy weapons because they are TOO HEAVY" but how can a heavy suit not use light weapons because their too light... that doesn't eveen make sense.

RR heavies are not OP RR are OP. (and most are terrible players).
many assault medium frames use RR, PR, and Scr as a crutch, I normally see them just charging in using no cover or tactics.

so when a heavy with a light weapon charges at a medium with a light weapon neither are using tactics both are using a crutch, the one wiht more ehp will win. both = scrubs

So im a bad player because i love a weapon that fits my playstyle? well thats the world we live in i suppose.

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D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1599	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:03:00 - [1] - Quote it reveals 3 things: light weapons are clearly over powered. heavy weapons are clearly underpowered. *most people complaining are clearly assult suit users CCP promoted this in an E3 video having a heavy snipe. Each suit has its advantages and disadvantages. but what possible explanation could their be for a heavy not holding a light weapon? scouts, and mediums can't use heavy weapons because they are TOO HEAVY" but how can a heavy suit not use light weapons because their too light... that doesn't eveen make sense. RR heavies are not OP RR are OP. (and most are terrible players). many assault medium frames use RR, PR, and Scr as a crutch, I normally see them just charging in using no cover or tactics. so when a heavy with a light weapon charges at a medium with a light weapon neither are using tactics both are using a crutch, the one wiht more ehp will win. both = scrubs Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 750	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:06:00 - [2] - Quote Your topic no good. Respec?
Akdhar Saif Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 311	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:14:00 - [3] - Quote Did someone say respec?
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4761	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:14:00 - [4] - Quote I smell a new respec thread coming along! *Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1562	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:15:00 - [5] - Quote I agree on many of your points excpt rr being cruches and op I am a caldari purist and love my rail rifle as it allows me to engauge at longer distances but if a cr or scr catches me in cqc well im ****** mainly due to the spool up and slow rof. I think that light wepons are faily well balanced but the heavy wepons need some tweeking as well as introducing new heavy wepons Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
Tectonic Fusion 1061	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:29:00 - [6] - Quote TOTM is Respec! EDIT: they don't like losing in 1 vs 1 combat. Heavies are easily outmaneuvered by assaults and scouts alike. You just have to sneak up on them, circle them, and they can't react that much. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1170	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:34:00 - [7] - Quote Smells like teen spi-... Like a RESPEC!
TYCHUS MAXWELL Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 48	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:38:00 - [8] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: it reveals 3 things: light weapons are clearly over powered. heavy weapons are clearly underpowered. *most people complaining are clearly assult suit users CCP promoted this in an E3 video having a heavy snipe. Each suit has its advantages and disadvantages. but what possible explanation could their be for a heavy not holding a light weapon? scouts, and mediums can't use heavy weapons because they are TOO HEAVY" but how can a heavy suit not use light weapons because their too light... that doesn't eveen make sense. RR heavies are not OP RR are OP. (and most are terrible players). many assault medium frames use RR, PR, and Scr as a crutch, I normally see them just charging in using no cover or tactics. so when a heavy with a light weapon charges at a medium with a light weapon neither are using tactics both are using a crutch, the one wiht more ehp will win. both = scrubs Well no one would mind so much if respecs were given out so that we all can run around as heavies with light weapons. I mean, it's only fair to respec. Respec..... respec.... sp refund.... RESPEC!!!
Thumb Green Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 787	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:44:00 - [9] - Quote I never got it either. Right now heavies with light weapons are easier to kill than logis with light weapons; of course after 1.8 it might be different. However as it stands now I laugh at LW hevies in cqc as I rip them up with my HMG and I laugh at them at range as I rip them up in my proto calogi with a RR. Support Orbital Spawns
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1603	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:55:00 - [10] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: I agree on many of your points excpt rr being cruches and op I am a caldari purist and love my rail rifle as it allows me to engauge at longer distances but if a cr or scr catches me in cqc well im **** mainly due to the spool up and slow rof. I think that light wepons are faily well balanced but the heavy wepons need some tweeking as well as introducing new heavy wepons well, let me clarify. I am minmatar. RR are OP only because of their CQC capabilities** if they had their hipfire spread wider they would be perfectly fine. I never supported the "nerf RR" damage train people hopped on. the damage was fine, but its ability to be sucessful in cqc made it OP. damage mods are really what throw everything conventional out the window. However, simply increasing the PG on damage mods would solve that. you get more power but can't stack as many or tank as hard. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça

Christiphoros von Poe Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 96	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:04:00 - [11] - Quote I think that it is a viable tactic. But I do still get annoyed when a Standard RR wielding militia heavy can outlast my proto Gallente assault suit in a firefight. But that's Dust. I am currently trying to sneak up on them from behind but if I get spotted it's usually over. The RR just melts my suit like butter. Or this could be because I am bad at Dust, which I have come to terms with. (1) "Exile" Assault Rifle reserved for: Fire of Prometheus
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1605	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:07:00 - [12] - Quote Christiphoros von Poe wrote: I think that it is a viable tactic. But I do still get annoyed when a Standard RR wielding militia heavy can outlast my proto Gallente assault suit in a firefight. But that's Dust. I am currently trying to sneak up on them from behind but if I get spotted it's usually over. The RR just melts my suit like butter. Or this could be because I am bad at Dust, which I have come to terms with. mostly because PR are bad on Armor, and galente suits have low shields. RR is great on armor, heavy suit has lots of armor. in a head on encounter you cannot win. you must flank, grenade, and weaken him. only than can you assure victory. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 958	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:13:00 - [13] - Quote It's not light weapons as much as it's militia heavies with rails. Seriously, standing at range with the highest health, dealing the highest damage at the longest range? It's a "good" strategy to be sure, but very scrubbish. ADS Kills: Lost count a while ago...
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 4081	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:18:00 - [14] - Quote FYI, some heavies don't have heavy weapon slots, but rather 2 light weapon slots. This isn't chromosome. They're called sentinels. I am your scan error.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1607	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:23:00 - [15] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: FYI, some heavies don't have heavy weapon slots, but rather 2 light weapon slots. This isn't chromosome. They're called sentinels. no one gives a **** about commandos. they are gmped medium frames basically, just as slow as a heavy but same ehp as a meidum. stop being a smart @ss Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 387	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:41:00 - [16] - Quote If heavy weaponary is to heavy for fute suit to carry, the heavy suits fingers should be too big to fit on the trigger of a light weapon. Heavys using light weapons is kind of an exploit in my eyes, it takes both upsides of two classes and creates a monster with only one disadvantage:speed. light weapons are designed for assault suits to strike quick and fast to be able to ke n hp konsters like heavys. Heavys ar build for point defense, tats y they have this huge amount of hp. Heavy weaponary is supposed to fulfill niches, so to take on vehicles or to be efficient on cqc point defense. Yes its variety to equip light weapons to a heavy suit. But its not good for the general game balance. Once 1.8 drops I'm pretty sure you will mostly just see heavys running around with light weapons, and exploiting that balance flaw. Besides that is running heavy with light just a good sign to show the dust community how bad you suck at the game, just like lav heavys or murder taxis, when they were trendy another one bites the Dust... Born as Kameira, die as Kameira, my life for the Empress!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 666	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:45:00 - [17] - Quote heavies need a lower rotation speed Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1756	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:46:00 - [18] - Quote I feel it shows less that the lights are OP, and more that the heavies are very UP. Also, in my hands at least, CRs are much more OP, but besides the point. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 5223	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:51:00 - [19] - Quote It's because people actually need the most OP weapon on a 1000 HP suit to do good. Especially after 1.8, the ability to use Light Weapons on any Heavy suit besides the Commando needs to be removed. Otherwise you'll see Gallente Heavies running around, with 25% resistance to some things, and the most OP weapon in their hand. How are you supposed to counter that? Before you can get all your shots off with a Shotgun Scout, they'll have turned around and killed you. Before you can reload with your RR Caldari Commando, they'll have already demolished you with their own. RR Heavies btw HMGs aren't very UP anymore (at least in CQC)....maybe if CCP could come out with at least an Amarr or Caldari HMG (one with a longer range) then it wouldn't matter if they can't use Light Weapons. Fatal Absolution's official bench warmer and mascot I go negative in PC, yay
Seigfried Warheit Caught Me With My Pants Down 207	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:51:00 - [20] - Quote Do you use CRs? I noticed you didn't mention that in your list of crutches but its a crutch too

Seigfried Warheit Caught Me With My Pants Down 207	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:52:00 - [21] - Quote Your Absolut End wrote: If heavy weaponary is to heavy for fute suit to carry, the heavy suits fingers should be too big to fit on the trigger of a light weapon. How do their fat fingers fit on those tiny lil sidearms?
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 388	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:59:00 - [22] - Quote Seigfried Warheit wrote: Your Absolut End wrote: If heavy weaponary is to heavy for fute suit to carry, the heavy suits fingers should be too big to fit on the trigger of a light weapon. How do their fat fingers fit on those tiny lil sidearms? its a chinese finger trap, pnce their got their fingers inl theres no coming back xD another one bites the Dust... Born as Kameira, die as Kameira, my life for the Empress!
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 68	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:11:00 - [23] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: FYI, some heavies don't have heavy weapon slots, but rather 2 light weapon slots. This isn't chromosome. They're called sentinels. Commandos* The commando class would be far more interesting if it was the only type of heavy who can carry a light weapon (2, in fact). When they release new heavy weapons, i'd say sentinels should stick to them. Would be a commando buff, in a way. How will that make sense? well... their hands and arms are so fat they can't hold or fire a light weapon properly or aim downsights?? You notice that the existing heavy weapons (HMG and FG) both are hip-fire weapons. Holding these also requires a different posture that fits the constitution of the suit, which besides doesn't look very appropriate for handling skilfully smaller guns. ...Then they'd have to rework commandos' appearance so it will in fact make sense... and do something to justify sidearm operation by sentinels... Meh, forget i said anything.
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 875	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:19:00 - [24] - Quote Heavies have been using light weapons for almost 2 years and it's never been anything close to a widespread problem. Trollsroyce used to sit in the redline with a Thales in his fat suit and absolutely wreck ****. Jack Boost used a Duvolle on his and he would post up on a supply depot because his suit had all plates and no reps (least I think that's what he did) and he was almost unkillable. And that one guy was beastly with nova knives on his fatsuit. But these were all isolated incidents. It's the RR that's the problem. It's too easy to use and is way too effective in pretty much any situation. Normally running a fat suit with a light weapon would require some sort of tactics but with the RR you just stand out there, aim for the head and let it rip. Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
RED FARM GOOD OL' B0YS 68	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:29:00 - [25] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: it reveals 3 things: light weapons are clearly over powered. heavy weapons are clearly underpowered. *most people complaining are clearly assult suit users CCP promoted this in an E3 video having a heavy snipe. Each suit has its advantages and disadvantages. but what possible explanation could their be for a heavy not holding a light weapon? scouts, and mediums can't use heavy weapons because they are TOO HEAVY" but how can a heavy suit not use light weapons because their too light... that doesn't eveen make sense. RR heavies are not OP RR are OP. (and most are terrible players). many assault medium frames use RR, PR, and Scr as a crutch, I normally see them just charging in using no cover or tactics. so when a heavy with a light weapon charges at a medium with a light weapon neither are using tactics both are using a crutch, the one wiht more ehp will win. both = scrubs Carrying a heavy weapon makes you too slow. This is why I use light weapons. I would need to use a module spot to imcrease speed otherwise. Public Chat: GOOD OL' B0YS Please note the word B0YS has a zero in it.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 5232	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:23:00 - [26] - Quote Seigfried Warheit wrote: Do you use CRs? I noticed you didn't mention that in your list of crutches but its a crutch too B-b-but.....not as much as the Heavy with an RR!! (trying to defend my crutch ;D) Fatal Absolution's official bench warmer and mascot I go negative in PC, yay
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1631	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:26:00 - [27] - Quote RED FARM wrote: Carrying a heavy weapon makes you too slow. This is why I use light weapons. I would need to use a module spot to imcrease speed otherwise. I got into an argument with the Taco King himself about this the other day. (John Ripper AKA Aztec.) I lost it. There is absolutely no difference in speed between using a heavy weapon or a light weapon or a sidearm. The only difference is your arms swing faster or slower. Forward motion is exactly the same. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Soldiersaint BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 726	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:36:00 - [28] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: it reveals 3 things: light weapons are clearly over powered. heavy weapons are clearly underpowered. *most people complaining are clearly assult suit users CCP promoted this in an E3 video having a heavy snipe. Each suit has its advantages and disadvantages. but what possible explanation could their be for a heavy not holding a light weapon? scouts, and mediums can't use heavy weapons because they are TOO HEAVY" but how can a heavy suit not use light weapons because their too light... that doesn't eveen make sense. RR heavies are not OP RR are OP. (and most are terrible players). many assault medium frames use RR, PR, and Scr as a crutch, I normally see them just charging in using no cover or tactics. so when a heavy with a light weapon charges at a medium with a light weapon neither are using tactics both are using a crutch, the one wiht more ehp will win. both = scrubs So im a bad player because i love a weapon that fits my playstyle? well thats the world we live in i suppose.
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 256	Posted - 2014.02.18 01:40:00 - [29] - Quote I'll tell you why. Because to me they are extremely poor players who have a pathetic gun game. They have to rely on an extra approximate 400ehp crutch to be able to last in a firefight. Then you have the ones that use RRs besides for another crutch. If you can't even kill a medium suit on your own level or one under, without a large extra hp reserve, there's something wrong. The only people I give a pass to who do this are the new players out of academy who don't have much else for skills and get killed rapidly. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1618	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:04:00 - [30] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: D legendary hero wrote: it reveals 3 things: light weapons are clearly over powered. heavy weapons are clearly underpowered. *most people complaining are clearly assult suit users CCP promoted this in an E3 video having a heavy snipe. Each suit has its advantages and disadvantages. but what possible explanation could their be for a heavy not holding a light weapon? scouts, and mediums can't use heavy weapons because they are TOO HEAVY" but how can a heavy suit not use light weapons because their too light... that doesn't eveen make sense. RR heavies are not OP RR are OP. (and most are terrible players). many assault medium frames use RR, PR, and Scr as a crutch, I normally see them just charging in using no cover or tactics. so when a heavy with a light weapon charges at a medium with a light weapon neither are using tactics both are using a crutch, the one wiht more ehp will win. both = scrubs So im a bad player because i love a weapon that fits my playstyle? well thats the world we live in i suppose. no im saying that a RR heavy with no skill vs a RR medium with no skill = medium suit always loses. however, Rr heavy with no skill < RR medium suit with skill RR heavy with skill > Rr medium suit with no skill. heavy suit has a bigger hit box and is slower. so he is easy to hit and dodge. if a medium frame charges right at you in a heavy suit they deserve to die. Plus, all the heavy weapons suck vs light weapons (ARs) so... why use something gimped? Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça



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