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PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 698	Posted - 2014.02.17 14:32:00 - [1] - Quote I have a question, but I have some statements to make first. A few questions actually. Ok, so, this is my main character. Dedicated scout. There are upgrades that are ESSENTIAL to run a scout at least halfway properly. Here is what I have so far Biotics lvl 5 lvl 3 regs lvl 1 HTH and kins basic armor & shield PG/CPU lvl 1 PD lvl 3 Precision lvl 3 range lvl 1 I use a basic Gallente scout suit. Now, heres my problem. I want to also run a speed tanked Minja, but with just the basic alone, the PG/CPU is insane. And, ok, got mixed up. I want to get kins at least to lvl 3, plus proto knives, and HTH lvl 3, plus lvl 1 proficiency for the knives BEFORE I even skill into Minja. So, my problem is, if I max my pg/cpu before the kins, will be able to fit two enhanced kins on my suit? Or should I just use my alt specifically for my Minja? Or just let my SP build up again so I can skill into everything? I know its a lot but I would appreciate some feedback from fellow scouts on this. FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2573	Posted - 2014.02.17 14:39:00 - [2] - Quote Max out the Biotics branch if you're really wanting to Scout. But, in order to run anything worthy, you'll have to max out Electronics and Engineering. This, assuming you already maxed out Dampening and Range. I GÖú Kittens.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 698	Posted - 2014.02.17 14:56:00 - [3] - Quote Yeah, going to max the electronics & engineering first. Thanks Ryno. I want to max out biotics skill tree but wasn't sure about the pg/cpu requirements. FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 903	Posted - 2014.02.17 14:59:00 - [4] - Quote Two or more speed mods is essential and necessary, it'll help you in combat. That 162 armor needs a rep, enhanced will do. Remotes could potentially save you're life. *Assassination is my thing.*
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 702	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:02:00 - [5] - Quote I run remotes by default. I'm iffy about armor & shield. I'll go enhanced. Thanks Smooth. FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 903	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:06:00 - [6] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: I run remotes by default. I'm iffy about armor & shield. I'll go enhanced. Thanks Smooth. You're welcome, you'll thank me when you get a kill with that suit. *Assassination is my thing.*
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 111	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:07:00 - [7] - Quote Why devote so much time to maxxing out elec and eng? Also what is your goal? - To be a minja or just to run Minnie Lv1 and have your main suit be Gallente? If you want to be a minja just do that - go to at least Lv3 which gives you an additional 10% NK damage and uses the advanced suit which has more PG unless that is out of the question. I would leave maxxing CPU/PG to last. Get them to 2-3 and then see if you need more. Also remember that with 1.8 comes more resources for the scout suits. On dampening. No need to go past level 3 if you are planning to skill all the way to Scout Lv5. Remember that 1.8 brings the bonus from the start and scanners are being nerfed so dampening for a scout only needs to be level 3 unless you just want to be safe and dodge everything by using multiple complex. Even then the unique options can see you. - There will also be cloak to help with dampening. On Range - I would take that to level 3 and when possible max it out. just my 2c Ask yourself what is your long term goal and plot a path to get you there whilst enhancing your combat effectiveness along the way. "Shine bright like a diamond"
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 702	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:13:00 - [8] - Quote I have no problem having two ninja suits on this character. My long term goal is to see people coming long before they see me [range & precision] and have the stamina and speed [regs & kins] to wipe them out. I want to be a stealth shotgunner type role mostly. Unseen and unscannable. FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 702	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:14:00 - [9] - Quote I need some help with shotgunning too. Because all of this means nothing if I cant hit you. FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 702	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:37:00 - [10] - Quote Would like more feedback. FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP

Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2575	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:44:00 - [11] - Quote If you wanna run NKs, I'd advise against running with a Shotgun on the same fitting. Use a M209 (Level 4) or at least the M-512A (Level 3) SMG and shove as many Sidearm Damage Mods as you can fit on it. You don't want to be completely outranged at 10m. Run dual SMGs and you basically have a mini-Heavy. I GÖú Kittens.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 705	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:51:00 - [12] - Quote I don't run knives with shotty. If I run knives [I REALLY should run them more] I use the CR or M-512A smg. I LOVE DUAL SMG! I can take down anything with two smgs. Lightning bruiser b!tch! FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 905	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:03:00 - [13] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: I need some help with shotgunning too. Because all of this means nothing if I cant hit you. I prefer that proficiency, got it LVL 4 and i'm getting 39/8 with it, some say it's not a big difference but i just remind them how the kalakiota rail rifle is only 10% more damage than the STD rail rifle. *Assassination is my thing.*
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 707	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:39:00 - [14] - Quote I run militia shotty. I don't have light weapon lvl 4 yet. FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 907	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:46:00 - [15] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: I run militia shotty. I don't have light weapon lvl 4 yet. Less spread... better hit detection... hmm... you might be in an advantage by not skilling into shotguns, i do admit that choke spread bonus helps killing heavies. *Assassination is my thing.*
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 707	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:50:00 - [16] - Quote I drop heavies a lot. I did notice the difference between militia and other shottys. On my alt I skilled to proto sg and testing all of them the militia and CreoDron are the best. FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 652	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:02:00 - [17] - Quote At the very least, you need drop suit engineering up to level 5. Im still going to have to run a basic cloak and a basic SMG and a specialist ADV shotgun with all of the fitting skills maxed because the PG is so tight on a minmitar frame. If you really want to speed tank, go gallente. Ill give you a really good fitting thats better than any minmitar fitting if you do 1x proto extender 1x proto dmage mod 3x proto kincats 1x ADV plate 1x STD cloak 1xProximity active scanner 1xK5 specialist shotgun 1x SMG Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 3695	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:14:00 - [18] - Quote Contrary to what some say here I completely disagree with speed tanking a gallente. You're better off speed tanking a shield based suit. Why? Because regen. A speed tanked gallente will have about the same HP as a minmatar but about zero regen for it's main tank (armor) while the minnie can comfortably take 200+ points of damage, and if you get away you'll be back to full health in about 10 seconds. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 656	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:15:00 - [19] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Contrary to what some say here I completely disagree with speed tanking a gallente. You're better off speed tanking a shield based suit. Why? Because regen. A speed tanked gallente will have about the same HP as a minmatar but about zero regen for it's main tank (armor) while the minnie can comfortably take 200+ points of damage, and if you get away you'll be back to full health in about 10 seconds. Except that the Gallente is a better speed tanker and can do more damage with more HP, but thats mainly due to the shield/armor disparity Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 3695	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:16:00 - [20] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Contrary to what some say here I completely disagree with speed tanking a gallente. You're better off speed tanking a shield based suit. Why? Because regen. A speed tanked gallente will have about the same HP as a minmatar but about zero regen for it's main tank (armor) while the minnie can comfortably take 200+ points of damage, and if you get away you'll be back to full health in about 10 seconds. Except that the Gallente is a better speed tanker and can do more damage with more HP, but thats mainly due to the shield/armor disparity Next build this won't hold true. Don't speed tank your gallente. Run it how it's supposed to be run. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 656	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:17:00 - [21] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Contrary to what some say here I completely disagree with speed tanking a gallente. You're better off speed tanking a shield based suit. Why? Because regen. A speed tanked gallente will have about the same HP as a minmatar but about zero regen for it's main tank (armor) while the minnie can comfortably take 200+ points of damage, and if you get away you'll be back to full health in about 10 seconds. Except that the Gallente is a better speed tanker and can do more damage with more HP, but thats mainly due to the shield/armor disparity Next build this won't hold true. Don't speed tank your gallente. Run it how it's supposed to be run. It's a brawler, not a hit and run suit. Is it confirmed that minmitar scouts are getting a speed buff ? Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 707	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:17:00 - [22] - Quote Yeah... lots to process and thank you all for your input. FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 3695	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:17:00 - [23] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Contrary to what some say here I completely disagree with speed tanking a gallente. You're better off speed tanking a shield based suit. Why? Because regen. A speed tanked gallente will have about the same HP as a minmatar but about zero regen for it's main tank (armor) while the minnie can comfortably take 200+ points of damage, and if you get away you'll be back to full health in about 10 seconds. Except that the Gallente is a better speed tanker and can do more damage with more HP, but thats mainly due to the shield/armor disparity Next build this won't hold true. Don't speed tank your gallente. Run it how it's supposed to be run. It's a brawler, not a hit and run suit. Is it confirmed that minmitar scouts are getting a speed buff ? Next build minmatar scouts will run faster than a gallente and not have to sacrifice it's entire main tank. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 656	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:18:00 - [24] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Contrary to what some say here I completely disagree with speed tanking a gallente. You're better off speed tanking a shield based suit. Why? Because regen. A speed tanked gallente will have about the same HP as a minmatar but about zero regen for it's main tank (armor) while the minnie can comfortably take 200+ points of damage, and if you get away you'll be back to full health in about 10 seconds. Except that the Gallente is a better speed tanker and can do more damage with more HP, but thats mainly due to the shield/armor disparity Next build this won't hold true. Don't speed tank your gallente. Run it how it's supposed to be run. It's a brawler, not a hit and run suit. Is it confirmed that minmitar scouts are getting a speed buff ? Next build minmatar scouts will run faster than a gallente and not have to sacrifice it's entire main tank. Will 2x kin cats on a minja be > 3x on a gallente? Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 708	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:19:00 - [25] - Quote Speed buff?!!! Bring on next build! FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1695	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:19:00 - [26] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: I have a question, but I have some statements to make first. A few questions actually. Ok, so, this is my main character. Dedicated scout. There are upgrades that are ESSENTIAL to run a scout at least halfway properly. Here is what I have so far Biotics lvl 5 lvl 3 regs lvl 1 HTH and kins basic armor & shield PG/CPU lvl 1 PD lvl 3 Precision lvl 3 range lvl 1 I use a basic Gallente scout suit. Now, heres my problem. I want to also run a speed tanked Minja, but with just the basic alone, the PG/CPU is insane. And, ok, got mixed up. I want to get kins at least to lvl 3, plus proto knives, and HTH lvl 3, plus lvl 1 proficiency for the knives BEFORE I even skill into Minja. So, my problem is, if I max my pg/cpu before the kins, will be able to fit two enhanced kins on my suit? Or should I just use my alt specifically for my Minja? Or just let my SP build up again so I can skill into everything? I know its a lot but I would appreciate some feedback from fellow scouts on this. Nail on head. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 3700	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:21:00 - [27] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Will 2x kin cats on a minja be > 3x on a gallente? 3 lows on minmatar next build Are you going to argue with me forever on this? I'm not exactly a newbie here. No matter what the minmatar will be faster than a gallente if it wants to be and it will be better at it. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 708	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:21:00 - [28] - Quote All right! I'll just let it build. I have a LOT more patience then I used to. FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 708	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:23:00 - [29] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Will 2x kin cats on a minja be > 3x on a gallente? 3 lows on minmatar next build Are you going to argue with me forever on this? I'm not exactly a newbie here. Got that right. Moody, how long have you been playing? I've been for a year. FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 3700	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:25:00 - [30] - Quote I'm going on one year. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1695	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:25:00 - [31] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: All right! I'll just let it build. I have a LOT more patience then I used to. I used to have trouble saving up 310k. Now I have a whole lot more (more than 2m and less than 5m) saved Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 3700	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:27:00 - [32] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: All right! I'll just let it build. I have a LOT more patience then I used to. I used to have trouble saving up 310k. Now I have a whole lot more (more than 2m and less than 5m) saved Yeah, after I've saved for 2 proto suits everything else is a short wait. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 658	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:27:00 - [33] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Will 2x kin cats on a minja be > 3x on a gallente? 3 lows on minmatar next build Are you going to argue with me forever on this? I'm not exactly a newbie here. No matter what the minmatar will be faster than a gallente if it wants to be and it will be better at it. Im not arguingGÇª..im, quite simply, asking a basic, non-offensive question about whether or not 2x kin cats on a minmitar scout will be > than 3x on a gallente. Also, if you fit 3x on a minmitar, you can't fit a cloak unless you also don't fit shield modules. Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 708	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:35:00 - [34] - Quote Been for a year and I'm JUST PROCESSING how to play better. Damn you slow processing speed. FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
Cyrus Grevare WarRavens League of Infamy 30	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:36:00 - [35] - Quote If willing to experiment a little, you can try out the site I'm building, it should have those calculations you need already working, see what level you need to fit what you want. You don't need an account to try it out, only if you want to save your character and suits for later. www.protofits.com Regards. www.protofits.com - a fitting tool project
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 709	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:41:00 - [36] - Quote I'm loving the site Cyrus. Extremely helpful. FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
Cyrus Grevare WarRavens League of Infamy 30	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:50:00 - [37] - Quote Thanks , still hard at work ironing out some quirks and chasing some missing information for item stats, I have a thread for comments on the DUST 514 Technology Lab section of the forums (probably why many don't know if my work yet ) any feedback is appreciated. Feedback thread o/ www.protofits.com - a fitting tool project
DEZKA DIABLO A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 186	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:56:00 - [38] - Quote CPU pg level 3 or 4 will be ok if you have core 5 light and side arm 5 an maybe fitting optimization lv 2 in a gun that you have proficiency in. Skill into the skills you need untill they get expensive, I ran pg CPU at 4 for a yr, I just level 5 pg CPU and light and side 5 last night, since your gallente you ll be fine an with the pg CPU buff in 1.8 lv 3/4 CPU pg should be ok for you till you get further along, skill all cheap passive skills, till they get past 400 000 per skill, easier to get a good character faster, level it al simotainiously . Oz
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1175	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:28:00 - [39] - Quote I have electronics 3 and engineering 2 and I'm doing fine for the most part. Core 4.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 59	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:30:00 - [40] - Quote I gotta make sure I write down all your names so I know who to hunt with my HMG. Unleash the Fogwoggler

Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 381	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:36:00 - [41] - Quote Core upgrades should be FIRST & FOREMOST. (IMO as a Scout) You can get away in this WAR ECONOMY as a Std-Adv Scout based off of your base skills. I understand the temptation and frustration of not having something more powerful, but think of it this way once you max out Core you're essentially building your core (defense) before having a strong offense.
Tectonic Fusion 1061	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:40:00 - [42] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Yeah, going to max the electronics & engineering first. Thanks Ryno. I want to max out biotics skill tree but wasn't sure about the pg/cpu requirements. You can stop at level 3 or 4 because you might need the enhanced CPU upgrade for many of your minja fits. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
DEZKA DIABLO A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 192	Posted - 2014.02.18 05:08:00 - [43] - Quote I would get enough points in either CPU an pg or a racial to a adv level an a basic cloak and your profile damp to a good passive level that you can at least beat a adv scanner passively , an a proto scanner with a enh profile damp, cloak, and your passivE suit bonus so use that fitting thing and do the db math and just focus on the gal scout till its proto level, an you have the things you need cuz my main accout has 35 mill sp , both scouts proto and almost every mod at 5. I waited till I had bout 25 mill in one suit till I went gallente , since your doing the reverse going armor then shield everything you do will work opposite, plus in 1.8 the minja loses the profile so your gal won't need damps to five to beat scanners with ease but your ninja will, so if you skill both same time you will widen your sp too much, plus you want the knife bonus of proficiency for the gal to be as effective as the min, so you got a real catch 22 going on. I say CPU pg to 4, gal to 5 knives to pro 3, main weapon to pro 4. Armor upgrades 4, plates reps 5, compact hive, all electronics 3, cloak, kin an regulators 5, then worry bout your minja. When you switch your gonna need shields upgrade an extension 5, dampeners 5 so u can slowly up that while your working on gallente, an because you ll have knife proficiency 3 already and a cloak and 3 in dampening youradv minja will basically have the proto knive damage and you ll have no problem with scanners. This way the switch won't be as bad and your PC ready instead of having two enh suits, an a butt load of enh mods.
Grand Master Kubo PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 35	Posted - 2014.02.18 05:46:00 - [44] - Quote Right now, getting levels of range amplification is more important than levels precision enhancement. Precision is only useful if you want to see unskilled scouts and dampened medium frames and heavy frames. Most people do not run fits like these. Just with passives a skilled scout will run a scan profile 30.375 dB (level 5 Scout and level 5 dampening). With passives a scout will run a scan precision of 40.5 dB (level 5 precision) and with one complex dampener a scout will run a scan precision of 32.4 dB. The vast majority of people run a fit with a scan profile above the default scan precision of a scout (45 dB). Just with passives a light frame can run a scan range of 22.5 meters. This is huge and I highly recommend it. A fully skilled Gallente scout will have a passive scan range of 33.75 meters. Get range amplification. Range is amazing. - Kubo
DEZKA DIABLO A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 195	Posted - 2014.02.18 11:26:00 - [45] - Quote Grand Master Kubo wrote: Right now, getting levels of range amplification is more important than levels precision enhancement. Precision is only useful if you want to see unskilled scouts and dampened medium frames and heavy frames. Most people do not run fits like these. I Just with passives a skilled scout will run a scan profile 30.375 dB (level 5 Scout and level 5 dampening). With passives a scout will run a scan precision of 40.5 dB (level 5 precision) and with one complex dampener a scout will run a scan precision of 32.4 dB. The vast majority of people run a fit with a scan profile above the default scan precision of a scout (45 dB). Just with passives a light frame can run a scan range of 22.5 meters. This is huge and I highly recommend it. A fully skilled Gallente scout will have a passive scan range of 33.75 meters. Get range amplification. Range is amazing. - Kubo I highly agree, the benifits of range amps is crazy! And in 1.8 your extra low slot an cloak and profile damp is well needed especially with proto caldari scouts passively seein everyone, your gonna eventually need range an percision to see them comming


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