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Michael Arck wrote:

Awry Barux wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

Awry Barux wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

Didn't you complain about this before? You keep reiterating that teamwork is OP.

And why the heck you just play Ambush all the time? No wonder you get stomped...you just play ambush.

I don't know what to say about this new class of blueberries. They are even worst than the last. Just gripes about everything that beats them. In no way should you hold the title "mercenary"

I don't play ambush all the time, but right now I'm trying to learn to ADS, and ambush is the only place without redline rails. Easy decision.

I'm not "griping" about everything that beats me. I said this to you before, and I'll say it again: it's one thing to use teamwork to fight other people using teamwork. It's something else to bring your well-oiled team into a mode where you KNOW the enemy isn't going to be nearly as well-organized as you. Even a well-organized team of randoms, say, two squad-finder squads with full comms, is going to get wrecked by a queue-synced corporate team, in part due to worse gear and the fact that they've never played as a full team together before.

It's like Einstein signing up for Physics 101 and then gloating when he's at the top of the class and calling everyone else worthless idiots.

As a console FPS, and especially as a F2P console FPS, this game will ALWAYS have the full gamut of skill levels. To be a successful game, it should be fun for everyone, not just your elite corporate squads. The low-skill players, who may be new to FPS games or video games entirely, should have a place where they can play and have fun. That is only possible when each match contains people of these various skill levels on both sides. This is the idea behind public contracts, which is why I have such contempt for people who queue-sync it. Queue-syncing isn't a part of the game by design, which is why it's never mentioned anywhere in-game whatsoever. It's a mechanics exploit used to create teams that are guaranteed to be imbalanced.

You really posted two paragraphs to explain why you are mad that people play with each other in groups and you don't like it?

What are you, 14?

Charming.

I didn't make this post just to b*tch, and honestly, I personally enjoy fighting a queue-synced team, it makes my kills more satisfying. I posted because I want this game to thrive and grow, and when this is the sort of thing that new players have deal with after two academy matches, an hour after starting up Dust for the very first time, they quit. I don't want them to quit, but I can't directly convince them to tough it out, so I want the things that make them want to quit to stop. It's that simple.

So you enjoy fighting against a queue synced team now because the kills are satisfying but you figure because of the team orientation, it can cause new players to run away?

Then they never had the makings of a mercenary to begin with. Using the "new player" as a excuse to speak on things that really aren't worth mentioning (especially when there are more important topics) is a time waster.

Dust 514 is built on the social. It enhances the experience.

And no, you can't convince them. It takes the player to have that will. We mercenaries, who have gotten anywhere from 5 million SP to 30, can attest to that. The majority of folks got their butts handed to them in the beginning. Its a rite of passage. Team sync shouldn't be stopped just to keep new players around. We would hope that mature and positive perspectives prevail and the mercenary doesn't quit because a team had q sync squads in match. If anything, it should be telling the merc that there is power in numbers and lead him towards finding a active corp to join and fight with.

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Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3233	Posted - 2014.02.17 04:41:00 - [31] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Didn't you complain about this before? You keep reiterating that teamwork is OP. And why the heck you just play Ambush all the time? No wonder you get stomped...you just play ambush. I don't know what to say about this new class of blueberries. They are even worst than the last. Just gripes about everything that beats them. In no way should you hold the title "mercenary" I don't play ambush all the time, but right now I'm trying to learn to ADS, and ambush is the only place without redline rails. Easy decision. I'm not "griping" about everything that beats me. I said this to you before, and I'll say it again: it's one thing to use teamwork to fight other people using teamwork. It's something else to bring your well-oiled team into a mode where you KNOW the enemy isn't going to be nearly as well-organized as you. Even a well-organized team of randoms, say, two squad-finder squads with full comms, is going to get wrecked by a queue-synced corporate team, in part due to worse gear and the fact that they've never played as a full team together before. It's like Einstein signing up for Physics 101 and then gloating when he's at the top of the class and calling everyone else worthless idiots. As a console FPS, and especially as a F2P console FPS, this game will ALWAYS have the full gamut of skill levels. To be a successful game, it should be fun for everyone, not just your elite corporate squads. The low-skill players, who may be new to FPS games or video games entirely, should have a place where they can play and have fun. That is only possible when each match contains people of these various skill levels on both sides. This is the idea behind public contracts, which is why I have such contempt for people who queue-sync it. Queue-syncing isn't a part of the game by design, which is why it's never mentioned anywhere in-game whatsoever. It's a mechanics exploit used to create teams that are guaranteed to be imbalanced. You really posted two paragraphs to explain why you are mad that people play with each other in groups and you don't like it? What are you, 14? Charming. I didn't make this post just to btch, and honestly, I personally enjoy fighting a queue-synced team, it makes my kills more satisfying. I posted because I want this game to thrive and grow, and when this is the sort of thing that new players have deal with after two academy matches, an hour after starting up Dust for the very first time, they quit. I don't want them to quit, but I can't directly convince them to tough it out, so I want the things that make them want to quit to stop. It's that simple. So you enjoy fighting against a queue synced team now because the kills are satisfying but you figure because of the team orientation, it can cause new players to run away? Then they never had the makings of a mercenary to begin with. Using the "new player" as a excuse to speak on things that really aren't worth mentioning (especially when there are more important topics) is a time waster. Dust 514 is built on the social. It enhances the experience. And no, you can't convince them. It takes the player to have that will. We mercenaries, who have gotten anywhere from 5 million SP to 30, can attest to that. The majority of folks got their butts handed to them in the beginning. Its a rite of passage. Team sync shouldn't be stopped just to keep new players around. We would hope that mature and positive perspectives prevail and the mercenary doesn't quit because a team had q sync squads in match. If anything, it should be telling the merc that there is power in numbers and lead him towards finding a active corp to join and fight with. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.* For the State!! [email protected]
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 258	Posted - 2014.02.17 04:52:00 - [32] - Quote I have no problem with this tactic, whatever works, however scottys matchmaking sucks, I was going against qsync squad 2 days ago and their were no squads on the other team, is it supposed to do that?
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 125	Posted - 2014.02.17 04:53:00 - [33] - Quote Team Deploy! Some of us hate losing because of a bad draw on blue dots. "Where are the blue dots?" Well half of them are still on the MCC and the other half are sniping in the red line. We can pickle that.
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 0	Posted - 2014.02.17 04:54:00 - [34] - Quote Im a fairly casual user, and i agree with the Original Poster; it does get ridiculous. I get that some people are better. i get that some people prefer squad teamwork. I also understand that some people have put alot of SP and ISK into proto gear and would like to use it. I even understand that, some people got stomped all the way up the chain, so now, its their turn to stomp others. I get all that, and it really doesnt bother me the motivations. What bothers me is that matches become unplayable. Everyone gets backed into a corner, tanks make sure we cant even spawn a jeep, and it becomes a matter of trying to not lose too much ISK worth of equipment till the match ends. It unplayable. There is nothing anyone on the team can really do. The infantry got proto suits with proto defense and guns that 3HK, and the tanks got 350,000ISK worth of modules on them. ..... Then the next game, im on the team thats got the other team locked in their spawn. It would be one thing to have a really bad match like that every now and then, but its more often then not that its a complete wipe by one side. Ive been in matches where the teams are dead even, and its alot of fun. But even when im on the winning team, it still seems kind of pointless. Yes, I could just go with "squad finder", but why should i have to? Almost all of them are "Mic required". Why do i have to talk to and hear squeaky voice teenagers just so i can play the game? Why do I have to work on someone elses "start next match" schedule? My point here is that I dont have the time or desire to become "the best of the best". I just want to jump in and play a few matches in the little free time that I got. When its just unbalanced game after game, I turn off the game and go play something else. If it wasnt for all the unbalanced matches I would probably play Dust atleast 70% more than I do. If people want to keep playing like that, I wont stop them; But all that SP, and ISK, and equipment and stats you farm up...wont really matter if the game dies. I cant get any of my friends to play more than a few matches on this before they get fed up and go play something more balanced.
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 728	Posted - 2014.02.17 05:24:00 - [35] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Didn't you complain about this before? You keep reiterating that teamwork is OP. And why the heck you just play Ambush all the time? No wonder you get stomped...you just play ambush. I don't know what to say about this new class of blueberries. They are even worst than the last. Just gripes about everything that beats them. In no way should you hold the title "mercenary" I don't play ambush all the time, but right now I'm trying to learn to ADS, and ambush is the only place without redline rails. Easy decision. I'm not "griping" about everything that beats me. I said this to you before, and I'll say it again: it's one thing to use teamwork to fight other people using teamwork. It's something else to bring your well-oiled team into a mode where you KNOW the enemy isn't going to be nearly as well-organized as you. Even a well-organized team of randoms, say, two squad-finder squads with full comms, is going to get wrecked by a queue-synced corporate team, in part due to worse gear and the fact that they've never played as a full team together before. It's like Einstein signing up for Physics 101 and then gloating when he's at the top of the class and calling everyone else worthless idiots. As a console FPS, and especially as a F2P console FPS, this game will ALWAYS have the full gamut of skill levels. To be a successful game, it should be fun for everyone, not just your elite corporate squads. The low-skill players, who may be new to FPS games or video games entirely, should have a place where they can play and have fun. That is only possible when each match contains people of these various skill levels on both sides. This is the idea behind public contracts, which is why I have such contempt for people who queue-sync it. Queue-syncing isn't a part of the game by design, which is why it's never mentioned anywhere in-game whatsoever. It's a mechanics exploit used to create teams that are guaranteed to be imbalanced. You really posted two paragraphs to explain why you are mad that people play with each other in groups and you don't like it? What are you, 14? Charming. I didn't make this post just to b*tch, and honestly, I personally enjoy fighting a queue-synced team, it makes my kills more satisfying. I posted because I want this game to thrive and grow, and when this is the sort of thing that new players have deal with after two academy matches, an hour after starting up Dust for the very first time, they quit. I don't want them to quit, but I can't directly convince them to tough it out, so I want the things that make them want to quit to stop. It's that simple. So you enjoy fighting against a queue synced team now because the kills are satisfying but you figure because of the team orientation, it can cause new players to run away? Then they never had the makings of a mercenary to begin with. Using the "new player" as a excuse to speak on things that really aren't worth mentioning (especially when there are more important topics) is a time waster. Dust 514 is built on the social. It enhances the experience. And no, you can't convince them. It takes the player to have that will. We mercenaries, who have gotten anywhere from 5 million SP to 30, can attest to that. The majority of folks got their butts handed to them in the beginning. Its a rite of passage. Team sync shouldn't be stopped just to keep new players around. We would hope that mature and positive perspectives prevail and the mercenary doesn't quit because a team had q sync squads in match. If anything, it should be telling the merc that there is power in numbers and lead him towards finding a active corp to join and fight with. I can see where your HTFU mentality is coming from, but it's just too much. Sometimes, players need a little hand-holding, to convince them that there is absolutely anything at all in this game worth sticking around and joining a corp for. Once they've been convinced, they'll HTFU like you want them to and eventually become "mercenaries". A game with 3000 players on at any given time, with no increases over the last 6 months despite being freely available to anyone with a PS3, could clearly use some changes. It may be hard to believe, but there's actually a middle ground between stomp or be stomped in public matches, and when the matchmaker gets it just right, this game truly shines, even for idiot blueberries fresh out of the academy. This cannot happen when people are syncing full teams into public contracts, which are meant to be the least serious game mode. I see no reason to perpetuate the hazing of new players just because we all had to start out getting stomped. "I suffered, so you should have to too" is a pretty childish mentality. Also, this is the internet and I'll speak on whatever I want and use my time however I want. No one is making you spend your time reading my paragraphs, or responding with paragraphs of your own.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4600	Posted - 2014.02.17 06:54:00 - [36] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Teamwork is op. i would hardly say 5 guys shooting at 1 person with proto gear teamwork, more like using a mp40 on round 5 zombies I have no idea what you're talking about. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 409	Posted - 2014.02.17 06:58:00 - [37] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: NK Scout wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Teamwork is op. i would hardly say 5 guys shooting at 1 person with proto gear teamwork, more like using a mp40 on round 5 zombies I have no idea what you're talking about. Spamming tanks and proto doesnt sound familiar? 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1906	Posted - 2014.02.17 07:02:00 - [38] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: NK Scout wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Teamwork is op. i would hardly say 5 guys shooting at 1 person with proto gear teamwork, more like using a mp40 on round 5 zombies I have no idea what you're talking about. Pretty sure he does not either KRRROOOOOOM
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 409	Posted - 2014.02.17 07:07:00 - [39] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: NK Scout wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Teamwork is op. i would hardly say 5 guys shooting at 1 person with proto gear teamwork, more like using a mp40 on round 5 zombies I have no idea what you're talking about. Pretty sure he does not either I dont know how he doesnt, his corp and many others spams ambush with tanks and proto 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1254	Posted - 2014.02.17 07:13:00 - [40] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: I betcha it was Nyain San. No seriously. I don't give a **** about their exploits in PC, it doesn't really affect me. But I was squadded up with them, and we qsynced into an ambush match. It was disgusting. 5 tanks all with Ion Cannons, everyone else on foot in protosuits, just spawnraping the reds. I just left the match at that point, it was ridiculous. Aaaaand how do you think these guys are fundig the protostomp? Drop it like its hat.

Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 734	Posted - 2014.02.17 07:15:00 - [41] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: NK Scout wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Teamwork is op. i would hardly say 5 guys shooting at 1 person with proto gear teamwork, more like using a mp40 on round 5 zombies I have no idea what you're talking about. Pretty sure he does not either I dont know how he doesnt, his corp and many others spams ambush with tanks and proto I'm fairly sure he meant he doesn't get the COD zombies analogy.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4601	Posted - 2014.02.17 07:25:00 - [42] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: NK Scout wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Teamwork is op. i would hardly say 5 guys shooting at 1 person with proto gear teamwork, more like using a mp40 on round 5 zombies I have no idea what you're talking about. Pretty sure he does not either I dont know how he doesnt, his corp and many others spams ambush with tanks and proto I'd like to squad up with these infamous tank spam squads STB is reported to use, cause even if I do have a tanker in my squad it's only one tanker that's actually speced into tanks mind you, as for the proto stomping I make no excuses why not use what you have if you can, PC isn't constant (hell the ***** is locked down) and many members of STB have the funds and SP to run the gear. I've been running STD scout as of late simply because I can, ran a MD squad the other day because I could, use NKs because I can, use flaylock because I can, and used a shotgun because I can do it. I'm able to do these things, and do do them on a whim, if I can why not do so? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 315	Posted - 2014.02.17 08:19:00 - [43] - Quote Nyain San/Chan is lol. Tanks. Proto. Equipment. Lag. I have honestly nit seen SVER do too much tankspam, but proto-spam is plentiful. The biggest threat to my scout is everything. [Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 410	Posted - 2014.02.17 08:33:00 - [44] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: NK Srcout wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: NK Scout wrote: Teamwork is op. i would hardly say 5 guys shooting at 1 person with proto gear teamwork, more like using a mp40 on round 5 zombies I have no idea what you're talking about. Pretty sure he does not either I dont know how he doesnt, his corp and many others spams ambush with tanks and proto I'd like to squad up with these infamous tank spam squads STB is reported to use, cause even if I do have a tanker in my squad it's only one tanker that's actually speced into tanks mind you, as for the proto stomping I make no excuses why not use what you have if you can, PC isn't constant (hell the *** is locked down) and many members of STB have the funds and SP to run the gear. I've been running STD scout as of late simply because I can, ran a MD squad the other day because I could, use NKs because I can, use flaylock because I can, and used a shotgun because I can do it. I'm able to do these things, and do do them on a whim, if I can why not do so? Edit: Awry Barux Thank you for using your brain immortal breath o fresh air that.[/quote] Domination, the mtach of us wrecked your corps tanks Or any ambush your in 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race**
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 410	Posted - 2014.02.17 08:34:00 - [45] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: NK Scout wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Teamwork is op. i would hardly say 5 guys shooting at 1 person with proto gear teamwork, more like using a mp40 on round 5 zombies I have no idea what you're talking about. Pretty sure he does not either I dont know how he doesnt, his corp and many others spams ambush with tanks and proto I'm fairly sure he meant he doesn't get the COD zombies analogy. [/quote] Mp40 on round 5 instkills zombies 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Yan Darn Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 224	Posted - 2014.02.17 08:49:00 - [46] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Didn't you complain about this before? You keep reiterating that teamwork is OP. And why the heck you just play Ambush all the time? No wonder you get stomped...you just play ambush. I don't know what to say about this new class of blueberries. They are even worst than the last. Just gripes about everything that beats them. In no way should you hold the title "mercenary" Every generation of blueberry so far has had larger general SP/ISK defecit to deal with maybe? Surely a greater percentage of the population has access to more advanced gear, ISK (thanks to Farming), in an established corp, knows maps/exploits/mechanics better than when you started? Unless you are saying when pros reach a certain level they just never get better and progression in this game is linear and finite in all respects? You probably don't know me. But next time you get gunned down or exploded by a Valor scout...check the name.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1677	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:38:00 - [47] - Quote OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote: That's not the worst thing. I hate people who are doing something with their connection. I live in central europe. I got no problem and no lag with almost all europe and US&A. But allways Maphia clan squad lag the game so hard it's impossible to play. I can understand that there are delays between countries but my squad was filled with 4 guys from europe and 2 US. We all gain the same experience... One guy could not be killed by 3 shooting people same time. Few moments after I found him ready to drop Ob. He died after 5th or 6th bullet. He died 4 times. One by me, twice due ob and last one due somebody's granade. All his deaths were because he wasn't on the move or massive area dmg that he couldn't avoid by his lag. I will tell Ya secret. You don't lie to us, U lie to yourself. That You are good... Cool story. It's unfortunate, I always said that if we in Italy had better connection we would be 100x better than what we are right now. So, no. The problem is not the latency, it actually is completely at our disfavor. Tank 514.
Sarus Rambo Legion of Seven 2	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:01:00 - [48] - Quote Drud Green wrote: Good fps players do not play loldust. This community is comprised of players who get wrecked in proper fps games. Can you really blame scrubs for team stacking? Yeah after playing Dust for about a month, I can see this. I was a huge Halo 3 player, and I was ranked high back in the day. In Dust I tend to do well even in militia gear, but its always kinda a kick in the face when you die to someone who wouldn't have killed you if you had the same level of gear.
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 751	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:09:00 - [49] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Teamwork is op. i would hardly say 5 guys shooting at 1 person with proto gear teamwork, more like using a mp40 on round 5 zombies Teamwork is op
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 418	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:16:00 - [50] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: NK Scout wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Teamwork is op. i would hardly say 5 guys shooting at 1 person with proto gear teamwork, more like using a mp40 on round 5 zombies Teamwork is op Thats not teamwork 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race

Sarus Rambo Legion of Seven 2	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:32:00 - [51] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: NK Scout wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Teamwork is op. i would hardly say 5 guys shooting at 1 person with proto gear teamwork, more like using a mp40 on round 5 zombies Teamwork is op Lol at people like this. Stacked teams are stacked teams, there should be some mitigation of this. If you want to run a team filled with proto players then you should face a team of close to equal SP. There are a ton of ways to do matchmaking with the amount of player data, I really don't see the issue CCP continues to have. You have a K/D ratio, and SP, you should be able to extrapolate user skill level from this and then pair users of equal skill and SP level with each other.
Zaaeed Massani Mics Only Dust 6	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:23:00 - [52] - Quote Drud Green wrote: Good fps players do not play loldust. This community is comprised of players who get wrecked in proper fps games. Can you really blame scrubs for team stacking? The people that play dust are the FPS players that like the involved nature of an MMO. Some are good, others are bad. But to say that "good FPS players do not play loldust" is rather slanted.
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 35	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:46:00 - [53] - Quote NK Scout wrote: tell us the corps name. Please join my corp, MercenaryCenter. Join the chat channel named the same for more info -Open Beta Vet-13.5 mil sp- Dust 514 recruitment link here
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 421	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:48:00 - [54] - Quote PLAYSTTION wrote: NK Scout wrote: tell us the corps name. Please join my corp, MercenaryCenter. Join the chat channel named the same for more info Why? 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 24	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:03:00 - [55] - Quote You can select Ambush, Domination or Skirmish. Allow players a checkbox for squads, teams and all against all. This allows noobs not to have to fight squads.
RED FARM GOOD OL' B0YS 68	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:24:00 - [56] - Quote Ambush is team deathmatch. If the other side brings 4 tanks you have lost. If there is one full squad of mates. You have lost. I know I can rain down like 4 orbies when we do this. I give props for not quitting when this happens. They should make a king of the mountain mode. Public Chat: GOOD OL' B0YS Please note the word B0YS has a zero in it.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11004	Posted - 2014.02.18 00:57:00 - [57] - Quote DUST is anything but a competitive game Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot


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