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Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.02.16 17:52:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:
But also remove the window of vulnerability that CCP promised.
When i use 3 a FG will always go through 1 hardener, so i put a second one on that leaves me with 1 left if the danger isnt dealth with so i retreat and put a 3rd one on after that has gone i have nothing on - window is open But window is not open if nothing challenges the tank, you break the regen on shield they either move or put another one on then you cannot cycle 3 Wow, such bs.
Proto Assault Forge is 1500 base damage * 1.15 Proficiency five * 1.264 three damage mods including stacking penalty * 0.9 damage to shields * 0.4 hardener reduction = 785 damage per shot = 3140 damage per clip.
That's the absolute maximum a Forge can dish out and it can barely break through your shields with one hardener active (plus you also have some armor to save you. That's also assuming you simply just stand there and take the heat as you have 10 seconds to get out of there.
Even if you do activate a second hardener we can go through that math as well:
First hardener activated. After 10 seconds you activate the second hardener as you come under heavy fire. After 40 seconds both hardeners have run out and you activate the third. After 70 seconds the third hardener runs out and the first hardener has now been on cooldown for 40 seconds, which means you're vulnerable for a whole 5 seconds. 5!
Do you seriously tell me it's fine that you've had either one or two hardeners activated for 70 seconds and then AV only has 5 seconds to kill you before you can repeat those 70 seconds?
Plus that's only if you activate the second hardener that early, you can easily rotate them perfectly and have one active at all times. Can you tell me at which point AV has a chance to kill you then?
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
2008
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Posted - 2014.02.16 17:53:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Yea the team was pretty bad i was in a no turreted DS flying about not doing **** all since its not a friendly DS map and they had FG on the high points all game
It was a redline and i was an annoying fly which survived all game That is a lie. A total lie, which seems to be your style. As you see it was an even match. Not a redline at all. Don't make Pyrex, Bamm Havoc and Me pull out the recordings. Wan't to see you failing at dropships from three angles? Don't try you usual tactic of just telling lies to make a point or get what you want against three well know you tubers. It will burn you. Ask Cat Merc or Arkena about the match. They'll tell you the truth. Any one can go 1-1 and survive. Just hover up high the whole game.
Ahhhh... Thank you judge, your portion of this thread has been like a warm blanket on a cold day.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
2568
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Posted - 2014.02.16 17:54:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:you didn't hover all game... remember the recorded by three people part?...... Stop the lies mate. Just stop. Really. Now, please. Stop. Just
Stop.
Please upload the video
I cant remember the match that well apart from lots of FG and swarms but that could be any game
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
586
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Posted - 2014.02.16 17:55:00 -
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Now, if I could direct everyone over to MY posts, we might actually begin to solve the real problems with tanks. Not the selfish assumptions Taka is known to make.
He clearly has no sense of what is fair and balanced. Kinda like Fox News
Nuff Said
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Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
1370
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Posted - 2014.02.16 17:56:00 -
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The teamwork argument is prwtty null considering that about half of the other vehicles need another player to defend it
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
2568
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Posted - 2014.02.16 17:56:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:
But also remove the window of vulnerability that CCP promised.
When i use 3 a FG will always go through 1 hardener, so i put a second one on that leaves me with 1 left if the danger isnt dealth with so i retreat and put a 3rd one on after that has gone i have nothing on - window is open But window is not open if nothing challenges the tank, you break the regen on shield they either move or put another one on then you cannot cycle 3 Wow, such bs. Proto Assault Forge is 1500 base damage * 1.15 Proficiency five * 1.264 three damage mods including stacking penalty * 0.9 damage to shields * 0.4 hardener reduction = 785 damage per shot = 3140 damage per clip. That's the absolute maximum a Forge can dish out and it can barely break through your shields with one hardener active (plus you also have some armor to save you. That's also assuming you simply just stand there and take the heat as you have 10 seconds to get out of there. Even if you do activate a second hardener we can go through that math as well: First hardener activated. After 10 seconds you activate the second hardener as you come under heavy fire. After 40 seconds both hardeners have run out and you activate the third. After 70 seconds the third hardener runs out and the first hardener has now been on cooldown for 40 seconds, which means you're vulnerable for a whole 5 seconds. 5! Do you seriously tell me it's fine that you've had either one or two hardeners activated for 70 seconds and then AV only has 5 seconds to kill you before you can repeat those 70 seconds? Plus that's only if you activate the second hardener that early, you can easily rotate them perfectly and have one active at all times. Can you tell me at which point AV has a chance to kill you then?
Armor doesnt save anything on a gunlogi
70seconds in total, 1 FG goes through 1 hardener and stops regen so you throw the 2nd on and a 3rd to escape if it aint enoughm have 2 with FG and it hurts alot more and you defo retreat or die
What is it with ppl just using AV solo
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Judge Rhadamanthus
Amarr Templar One
1504
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Posted - 2014.02.16 18:01:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:I cant remember the match that well apart from lots of FG and swarms but that could be any game
Hand me a coffin, I have the final nail.
So you admit you lied about what happened in the match, as you now say you don't even remember it, to defend yourself and make the facts suit your point rather than using true facts to make a point.
My work here is done.
You have been Judged.
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Thumb Green
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
786
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Posted - 2014.02.16 18:02:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Don't make Pyrex, Bamm Havoc and Me pull out the recordings. Wan't to see you failing at dropships from three angles?
Release the kra... I mean video. Nothing like a good public shaming to get the day going. Plus it'll be funny to see what excuses Taka comes up with.
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Judge Rhadamanthus
Amarr Templar One
1504
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Posted - 2014.02.16 18:06:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Don't make Pyrex, Bamm Havoc and Me pull out the recordings. Wan't to see you failing at dropships from three angles? Release the kra... I mean video. Nothing like a good public shaming to get the day going. Plus it'll be funny to see what excuses Taka comes up with.
I forgot, Gazabaran was in the squad too (6 on the board). FOUR angles mate. FOUR. When you see a you tube squad please learn from Taka's huge fail here. Don't BS about a match recorded by 4 you tubers at the same time who between them have over 9000 subscribers.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
2568
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Posted - 2014.02.16 18:07:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:I cant remember the match that well apart from lots of FG and swarms but that could be any game Hand me a coffin, I have the final nail. So you admit you lied about what happened in the match, as you now say you don't even remember it, to defend yourself and make the facts suit your point rather than using true facts to make a point. My work here is done. You have been Judged.
Prefer the video tbh since i really dont care
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
4709
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Posted - 2014.02.16 18:16:00 -
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What I want for vehicles?
Lower Ammo Count
What's the point of having ammo if you have no need for re-supplying? Along with this, there should be an actual incentive to run an Ammunition module, and to skill into the Turret Ammunition skill.
As it stands, I rarely ever have to resupply; and on the rare occasion that I do; I simply recall my tank and call it back in for 100% ammo
However, Supply Depots need to be more prevalent on maps, and they need to be easily accessible by vehicles. And while we are at it, why not create a way to tell how much ammo your small turrets have?
Lowered Blaster Turret Range
When I'm in my Blaster tank, I can easily and reliably kill infantry from about 120m (I'm not too familiar with the metric system, so please forgive me if this is off). If AVers aren't allowed to fire at vehicles with near impunity, then neither should vehicle pilots.
No Hardener Stacking
I don't see how this was allowed in the first place. CCP's current Philosophy is "Waves of Opportunity." You shouldn't be allowed to have a never ending wave of opportunity, simply because your counter [AV] cannot extend their wave, nor make their wave indefinite.
Relevant AV Weapons
Swarm Launchers
Increase direct damage to 270HP per Swarm.
Increase lock range to 215m. However, since this is beyond rendering range I believe it would be fair if the vehicle pilot had an alarm system that alerts them if they are being locked onto beyond 175m. Countermeasures and Flares seems like a good idea as well.
Plasma Cannons
Increase Max Ammo count to 12.
Increase direct damage to: 1320/1650/1980. (STD/ADV/PRO)
It seems like a bit much, but it is a weapon that has a slow moving projectile, an arc, and only 1 round in the clip. It won't become overpowered against infantry like CCP fears simply because the only dropsuit that can survive a direct hit with an Allotek Plasma Cannon is a completely tanked out PRO heavy.
Proximity Explosives
Remove the alarm system. you can already look down to see the explosives, and the trap is completely static. Unlike Jihad Jeeps that can follow you, a Proximity Explosive trap requires someone to predict where you are. If you aren't piloting in a predictable pattern, then Proximity Explosives won't affect you.
Remote Explosives
Increase Max. Carried amount. The total amount you can have active should be the total amount you can carry, just like other pieces of equipment. Otherwise, the only dropsuit that can create a reliable RE trap is the logistics. (This also applies to Proximity Explosives)
Nerf Bolas
This AV weapon is ridiculously overpowered against Dropships as it can OHK them regardless of their fitting.. I say reduce it's direct damage to 200HP.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
4709
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Posted - 2014.02.16 18:17:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Don't make Pyrex, Bamm Havoc and Me pull out the recordings. Wan't to see you failing at dropships from three angles? Release the kra... I mean video. Nothing like a good public shaming to get the day going. Plus it'll be funny to see what excuses Taka comes up with. I forgot, Gazabaran was in the squad too (6 on the board). FOUR angles mate. FOUR. When you see a you tube squad please learn from Taka's huge fail here. Don't BS about a match recorded by 4 you tubers at the same time who between them have over 9000 subscribers. You have been Judged
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1841
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Posted - 2014.02.16 18:24:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Your post doesn't make HAVs any less OP, unfortunately. There's no OP tank, only a tank that hasn't been countered.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
10914
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Posted - 2014.02.16 18:32:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Don't make Pyrex, Bamm Havoc and Me pull out the recordings. Wan't to see you failing at dropships from three angles? Release the kra... I mean video. Nothing like a good public shaming to get the day going. Plus it'll be funny to see what excuses Taka comes up with. I forgot, Gazabaran was in the squad too (6 on the board). FOUR angles mate. FOUR. When you see a you tube squad please learn from Taka's huge fail here. Don't BS about a match recorded by 4 you tubers at the same time who between them have over 9000 subscribers. I want that video now
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Evolution-7
The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback
371
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Posted - 2014.02.17 15:20:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Don't make Pyrex, Bamm Havoc and Me pull out the recordings. Wan't to see you failing at dropships from three angles? Release the kra... I mean video. Nothing like a good public shaming to get the day going. Plus it'll be funny to see what excuses Taka comes up with. I forgot, Gazabaran was in the squad too (6 on the board). FOUR angles mate. FOUR. When you see a you tube squad please learn from Taka's huge fail here. Don't BS about a match recorded by 4 you tubers at the same time who between them have over 9000 subscribers.
And in what way does that make words which spew from your mouths more relevant than others.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
4766
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Posted - 2014.02.17 15:23:00 -
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Evolution-7 wrote:Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Don't make Pyrex, Bamm Havoc and Me pull out the recordings. Wan't to see you failing at dropships from three angles? Release the kra... I mean video. Nothing like a good public shaming to get the day going. Plus it'll be funny to see what excuses Taka comes up with. I forgot, Gazabaran was in the squad too (6 on the board). FOUR angles mate. FOUR. When you see a you tube squad please learn from Taka's huge fail here. Don't BS about a match recorded by 4 you tubers at the same time who between them have over 9000 subscribers. And in what way does that make words which spew from your mouths more relevant than others. The fact that what he is saying is straightforward and backed with evidence.
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Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
3406
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Posted - 2014.02.17 15:31:00 -
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*grabs popcorn* I'm not jumping into a debate that has been discussed TO DEATH ABOUT ONE MILLION TIMES!!!!!!!!!!
The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
2593
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Posted - 2014.02.17 15:45:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:*grabs popcorn* I'm not jumping into a debate that has been discussed TO DEATH ABOUT ONE MILLION TIMES!!!!!!!!!!
Why not its fun
I still want to see that video, i like to see what im lying about
I cant be as bad as judge lying about wanting railguns nerfed and in an ideal world removed so he can fly in a straight line
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
9806
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Posted - 2014.02.20 23:54:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Yea the team was pretty bad i was in a no turreted DS flying about not doing **** all since its not a friendly DS map and they had FG on the high points all game
It was a redline and i was an annoying fly which survived all game That is a lie. A total lie, which seems to be your style. As you see it was an even match. Not a redline at all. Don't make Pyrex, Bamm Havoc, edit: Gazabaran and Me pull out the recordings. Wan't to see you failing at dropships from four angles? Don't try you usual tactic of just telling lies to make a point or get what you want against EDIT : Four well know you tubers. It will burn you. Ask Cat Merc or Arkena about the match. They'll tell you the truth. Any one can go 1-1 and survive. Just hover up high the whole game.
I appear to have found this thread late, but it was rather amusing reading about this.
To TK: *slow clap* I would also like to see the video so I can point out how much of a bad you are and how right Judge is. I wish I'd recorded it myself.
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bhold'the brngr ofLIKE
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:25:00 -
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I appear to have found this thread late, but it was rather amusing reading about this.
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