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Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 722	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:01:00 - [1] - Quote I got instakilled by a nova knife earlier. Not sure if it was one big hit or many hits in a fraction of a second, a la Arirana-style melee glitch. What I do know is it did 900 damage before I could even pull the trigger. He came round a corner in the city, face to face with me, I heard the NK noise and I dropped dead. Probably he had me on passive scan so knew I was coming, hence how he got his hits off before I could fire. Anyway, just thought I'd put that out there in case someone had any ideas about what happened, since I know nothing about NK's myself.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1657	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:02:00 - [2] - Quote It was a Minja? Working as intended. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 9597	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:06:00 - [3] - Quote Probably a charged swipe. Fair play to them. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
LeGoose SAM-MIK 169	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:08:00 - [4] - Quote I have minmatar scout 5 and prof 3 on my knives. I can one shot almost any suit in the game with a charged swipe if both blades hit. The only suits I can't ohk are the most heavily tanked heavies.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 722	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:08:00 - [5] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: It was a Minja? Working as intended. A scout, certainly, don't remember if gal or min. But even assuming it's a min scout, 900 damage in 0.1 seconds (or something) seems rather a lot. The suit bonus is only +25% at level 5.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 850	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:09:00 - [6] - Quote ZN-28 (adv. knives) = 150 damage 2 swipes = 300 charge is an extra x2.5 damage = 750 add damage mods + poss lvl 5 prof and it'll easily do 900 damage. Can also take out 60% of heavies in one good swing. Then you also have the proto Ishukone which does more. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 9598	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:10:00 - [7] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: It was a Minja? Working as intended. A scout, certainly, don't remember if gal or min. But even assuming it's a min scout, 900 damage in 0.1 seconds (or something) seems rather a lot. The suit bonus is only +25% at level 5. Charge swipe, ishukone nova knives. You're looking at 550 per swipe if he charged them, and swipes come in doubles - each charge attack or trigger tap you swipe twice. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
The Infected One Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 803	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:12:00 - [8] - Quote I could be wrong here, but I believe that the NK gets 3x damage from the charge shot. So PRO NK dealing 200 damage + Prof 5 (25% Dam increase) + Min scout lvl 5 (25% Dam increase) is 200x1.5=300 (x3 for charge shot = 900) and I think that it works out to that damage PER knife, NK swipe swings both knives one after the other for a total possible 1800 damage for 1 charge shot if both hits land perfectly. Plus they do have a headshot multiplier. I could be wrong, but on one of my alts who is full Minja I can OHK a tanked heavy with ~1500 EHP with a charge shot to the back. I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
Princess Abi-Hime Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 1248	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:13:00 - [9] - Quote If you let a scout get close enough to NK you then he deserves the kill. The Metalhead Mercenary
jhon hartigan Maphia Clan Corporation 63	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:14:00 - [10] - Quote The charge gives you 2.5x,a charged shot by a minja with prof 5 deals something around 1400dmg

Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 722	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:15:00 - [11] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: It was a Minja? Working as intended. A scout, certainly, don't remember if gal or min. But even assuming it's a min scout, 900 damage in 0.1 seconds (or something) seems rather a lot. The suit bonus is only +25% at level 5. Charge swipe, ishukone nova knives. You're looking at 550 per swipe if he charged them, and swipes come in doubles - each charge attack or trigger tap you swipe twice. Okay, fair enough. I'm not QQing, just genuinely didn't know that NKs could do that. It's a bit surprising that this isn't more of a 'thing'. Seems like it could be very powerful in the right hands but it's one of the few things I've never heard QQ about (and to repeat, I'm not QQing here!).
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 850	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:16:00 - [12] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: It was a Minja? Working as intended. A scout, certainly, don't remember if gal or min. But even assuming it's a min scout, 900 damage in 0.1 seconds (or something) seems rather a lot. The suit bonus is only +25% at level 5. If your worried that its excessive then don't. The risk involved in closing the distance is immense as well as requiring a charge you can't initiate on the run. Then there is just the lousy peripheral vision and occasionally dodgy hit detection (though a lot better than previous patches) "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Ashley James Williams And the ButtPirates 3	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:19:00 - [13] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I got instakilled by a nova knife earlier. Not sure if it was one big hit or many hits in a fraction of a second, a la Arirana-style melee glitch. What I do know is it did 900 damage before I could even pull the trigger. He came round a corner in the city, face to face with me, I heard the NK noise and I dropped dead. Possibly he had me scanned so knew I was coming, hence how he got his hits off before I could fire. Anyway, just thought I'd put that out there in case someone had any ideas about what happened, since I know nothing about NK's myself. Indeed, working as intended. Scouts tend to skill up their range so they can better see medium suits coming. So yes, he probably did know you were there. Could of had minmatar scout to lvl 5, might of had proto knifes, with prof 5 on them. Everything about that suit/combo is quickness. Quickly traversing the map, quick reflexes, quick kills, and very much..quick deaths. ^-^!&@X@&!^_ ^!&@D@&!^-^
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1416	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:19:00 - [14] - Quote Princess Abi-Hime wrote: If you let a scout get close enough to NK you then he deserves the kill. this knife kills are really hard to get. the odds are it was multiple swings the first charged then after that uncharged inn rapid succession. you can usually get off 2 or 3 swings before the enemy can react. GÇ£The universe is a big place, perhaps the biggest.GÇ¥ ~ Kurt Vonnegut Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 723	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:19:00 - [15] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: It was a Minja? Working as intended. A scout, certainly, don't remember if gal or min. But even assuming it's a min scout, 900 damage in 0.1 seconds (or something) seems rather a lot. The suit bonus is only +25% at level 5. If your worried that its excessive then don't. The risk involved in closing the distance is immense as well as requiring a charge you can't initiate on the run. Then there is just the lousy peripheral vision and occasionally dodgy hit detection (though a lot better than previous patches) Yeah, I get that. The guy went 19-14 or something, hardly OP. Just hadn't seen the incredible damage first hand before (usually get NKed in the back ).
Hagintora Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 197	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:21:00 - [16] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: It was a Minja? Working as intended. A scout, certainly, don't remember if gal or min. But even assuming it's a min scout, 900 damage in 0.1 seconds (or something) seems rather a lot. The suit bonus is only +25% at level 5. Charge swipe, ishukone nova knives. You're looking at 550 per swipe if he charged them, and swipes come in doubles - each charge attack or trigger tap you swipe twice. Okay, fair enough. I'm not QQing, just genuinely didn't know that NKs could do that. It's a bit surprising that this isn't more of a 'thing'. Seems like it could be very powerful in the right hands but it's one of the few things I've never heard QQ about (and to repeat, I'm not QQing here!). There have been a few threads complaining about being OHK by Nova Knives, but the general consensus is the same: If you let the weakest suit in game close enough to you to climb up your butt hole, don't act surprised when he bursts out of your chest like an Alien.
Hunter Fencen ROGUE SPADES 97	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:30:00 - [17] - Quote Hagintora wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: It was a Minja? Working as intended. A scout, certainly, don't remember if gal or min. But even assuming it's a min scout, 900 damage in 0.1 seconds (or something) seems rather a lot. The suit bonus is only +25% at level 5. Charge swipe, ishukone nova knives. You're looking at 550 per swipe if he charged them, and swipes come in doubles - each charge attack or trigger tap you swipe twice. Okay, fair enough. I'm not QQing, just genuinely didn't know that NKs could do that. It's a bit surprising that this isn't more of a 'thing'. Seems like it could be very powerful in the right hands but it's one of the few things I've never heard QQ about (and to repeat, I'm not QQing here!). There have been a few threads complaining about being OHK by Nova Knives, but the general consensus is the same: If you let the weakest suit in game close enough to you to climb up your butt hole, don't act surprised when he bursts out of your chest like an Alien. Creepily starts sharpening knives, soon my pretties, soon. But yeah, seems fair that my suit that goes down in 2 basic rail shots can hit yours in one, try the knives out sometime, after maxxing out every biotic skill, dampening skill, scout suit skills, knives basic skills, profiency skill, scanner skills. And thats if you're a pure kniver, stabby stabby (charge time is max 1 sec anyway, think it can be pulled down to around 0.75
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 558	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:35:00 - [18] - Quote Yeah, they can be pretty scary. A lot of games have that weapon, skill, or class that isn't used that often for various reasons. But when it is used in the perfect conditions, boy-howdy can it be scary. Nova Knife is this game's version of that.
Horizen Kenpachi Kenpachi's Castle 172	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:36:00 - [19] - Quote Could u use them on tanks Hit me with your nerf bat.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3026	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:38:00 - [20] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: It was a Minja? Working as intended. A scout, certainly, don't remember if gal or min. But even assuming it's a min scout, 900 damage in 0.1 seconds (or something) seems rather a lot. The suit bonus is only +25% at level 5. Charge swipe, ishukone nova knives. You're looking at 550 per swipe if he charged them, and swipes come in doubles - each charge attack or trigger tap you swipe twice. Okay, fair enough. I'm not QQing, just genuinely didn't know that NKs could do that. It's a bit surprising that this isn't more of a 'thing'. Seems like it could be very powerful in the right hands but it's one of the few things I've never heard QQ about (and to repeat, I'm not QQing here!). It's enough of a thing that we just finished an event around them and are still waiting for our rewards. People don't cry about them because they are difficult to be good at. // Lance Commander // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana

Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 953	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:54:00 - [21] - Quote Dodgy hit detection, them removing one of the best features even though CCP "liked" it(the sprintcharge), and having to get suicidally close to your target. But nothing feels better than hacking a point you just cleared out with nothing but your knives. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Demon Buddah Corporate Disaster 165	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:04:00 - [22] - Quote Charge knife with Minja suit. Nuff said :)
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1134	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:12:00 - [23] - Quote Well, since enough input on this topic has appeared, I'll just say that knifing is awesome. I have a friend who shreds with his proto Knives. I only have the advanced Knives and I OHK ANY medium or light frame with a fully charged hit. 2 hit any heavy. Once I get the proto Knives, I'll be a force to be reckoned with... maybe.
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 305	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:15:00 - [24] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: It was a Minja? Working as intended. A scout, certainly, don't remember if gal or min. But even assuming it's a min scout, 900 damage in 0.1 seconds (or something) seems rather a lot. The suit bonus is only +25% at level 5. Charge swipe, ishukone nova knives. You're looking at 550 per swipe if he charged them, and swipes come in doubles - each charge attack or trigger tap you swipe twice. Okay, fair enough. I'm not QQing, just genuinely didn't know that NKs could do that. It's a bit surprising that this isn't more of a 'thing'. Seems like it could be very powerful in the right hands but it's one of the few things I've never heard QQ about (and to repeat, I'm not QQing here!). It is extremely potent in the right hands. I use them occasionally to good effect but im definitely not the best out there. The issue is getting close enough to use them since suits walk the same speed backwards and forwards. Sprinting ruins the charge hit and if they suddenly move left or right, well thats a clean miss... Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Scrambler Pistol dedication
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 563	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:20:00 - [25] - Quote The Infected One wrote: ... + Prof 5 (25% Dam increase) +... Just wanted to fix this. It's a 15% increase at Prof 5. I contribute nothing.
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 678	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:33:00 - [26] - Quote Horizen Kenpachi wrote: Could u use them on tanks No but you should be able to! Charged plasma blades designed to penetrate the thickest of armor should totally work on tanks.
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 3647	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:12:00 - [27] - Quote Better get used to getting shanked. The minjas are multiplying. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 344	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:37:00 - [28] - Quote We used to be much more rare. I think it was 1.6 that mostly fixed hit detection. And of course shinobi showed the community how fun they can be, so you see them in almost every match now. I think in many ways the event not only increased the number, but also gave others a chance for others to learn how to look out for, and counteract knifers. An aware red is much harder to atack :/ Looking for the scout hangout? CCP banished it to the locker room
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13104	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:39:00 - [29] - Quote I rather get stabbed by nova knives than cod knives all day long. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 725	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:41:00 - [30] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: We used to be much more rare. I think it was 1.6 that mostly fixed hit detection. And of course shinobi showed the community how fun they can be, so you see them in almost every match now. I think in many ways the event not only increased the number, but also gave others a chance for others to learn how to look out for, and counteract knifers. An aware red is much harder to atack :/ Also the passive scan buff probably helped. Will be interesting to see if the cloak is enough to push scouts fully into the mainstream.

Mister0Zz Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 106	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:07:00 - [31] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: It was a Minja? Working as intended. A scout, certainly, don't remember if gal or min. But even assuming it's a min scout, 900 damage in 0.1 seconds (or something) seems rather a lot. The suit bonus is only +25% at level 5. Charge swipe, ishukone nova knives. You're looking at 550 per swipe if he charged them, and swipes come in doubles - each charge attack or trigger tap you swipe twice. Okay, fair enough. I'm not QQing, just genuinely didn't know that NKs could do that. It's a bit surprising that this isn't more of a 'thing'. Seems like it could be very powerful in the right hands but it's one of the few things I've never heard QQ about (and to repeat, I'm not QQing here!). I know this mInja named Ghost Kaiser, he absolutely destroys with NK in pubs because he does so much damage with proto ones he can kill most suits without charging. He also has a sprint speed of almost 10m/s. I've seen him get scores like 20/1 all day long
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3061	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:11:00 - [32] - Quote my lvl 5 minja capabilities 0.8 second NK charge time does enough damage to instakill any suit in the game except a brick tanked Proto heavy so yeah :) "The human brain named itself... :o" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficeiney 5 \o/
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 689	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:16:00 - [33] - Quote Read the sig. FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
Haerr Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 220	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:19:00 - [34] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: It was a Minja? Working as intended. ^ This. @CCP: Is the Cloaking Fields and Profile Dampeners reduction to Scan Profile stacking penalized when added together?
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 344	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:40:00 - [35] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: One Eyed King wrote: We used to be much more rare. I think it was 1.6 that mostly fixed hit detection. And of course shinobi showed the community how fun they can be, so you see them in almost every match now. I think in many ways the event not only increased the number, but also gave others a chance for others to learn how to look out for, and counteract knifers. An aware red is much harder to atack :/ Also the passive scan buff probably helped. Will be interesting to see if the cloak is enough to push scouts fully into the mainstream. I think the cloak will be one factor, but there are other factors that might come into play more. Like the adjustments to the other suits, and the supposed/hopeful increase in TTK. If the increase in TTK is enough for scouts to run away instead of instant death, it will help, but if we still die so quickly that we don't have enough time to react, I can see shield and armor tanking meds and heavys take back their portion of the role share. Looking for the scout hangout? CCP banished it to the locker room
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 891	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:43:00 - [36] - Quote Is this a viral commercial of NK? Yes, he hit you with doubly charged advanced or proto knives and he did see you on passive, so you have your answer. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2207	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:49:00 - [37] - Quote ive got a alt that is a Minja with proto knives. I can instakill heavys with a charged hit. I usually do it when they turned their back to me or from the side. The key to play as a scout is to never engage a enemy upfront. Simply cause they have much more HP and probs deal aswell more damage then you. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 941	Posted - 2014.02.16 20:14:00 - [38] - Quote In the right hands they're incredibly deadly. Check this excellent video out by Cyrius Li-Moody. Best PvE idea ever!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6851	Posted - 2014.02.16 20:21:00 - [39] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: It's a bit surprising that this isn't more of a 'thing'. Seems like it could be very powerful in the right hands but it's one of the few things I've never heard QQ about (and to repeat, I'm not QQing here!). And that is the absolute beauty of the the knives. In the hands of a novice, they are absolutely useless and often times these people end up being mulch by the assault rifle users. But in the hands of an experienced professional who has dedicated every SP into using these weapons as well as practicing rigorously all year, these nova knives become the most feared weapons on the battlefield. The experienced professional using these knives eventually become known throughout the course of the match as people start noticing the following in their kill feed... Ninja Knifer (Ishukone Nova Knives) SomePoorFella Ninja Knifer (Ishukone Nova Knives) Fillet-a-Merc Ninja Knifer (Ishukone Nova Knives) HeavySuitDown Ninja Knifer (Ishukone Nova Knives) ScaredShitless Ninja Knifer (Ishukone Nova Knives) RunningAway Ninja Knifer (Ishukone Nova Knives) PeedMyself Ninja Knifer (Ishukone Nova Knives) NOOO NotTheFace Ninja Knifer (Ishukone Nova Knives) PLZ HaveMercy At that point, you could become singled out from the rest and as a result the opposing team starts to hunt you down to get rid of you. That's when you know you did your job well. There was one heavy suit user who complained early last year about the knives being overpowered but funny enough all the other heavy suit users (who were NK victims) stepped in and actually supported the NK users because even the heavy users agree that if you get killed by a NK it's because that person was a professional and knew how to bring a knife to a gunfight. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 19	Posted - 2014.02.17 08:43:00 - [40] - Quote If you want to become a knife user try a MLT light and shotgun combo with MLT Dampeners It is a bit of a smoother way to understand CQC scouting and all the skills bar knives apply. Also it probably is best to up skill the passive scan skills before attempting to be a minja. I'm just a scout with a shotgun and REs and if I do scan the nova I have a fifty fifty chance. Generally I just back pedal and pull out an SMG. I did on the weekend jump off a building to land right beside him and feed the guy a shotgun but a) I didn't know he had knives at the time and b) I'm an idiot as I could have just dropped a RE instead, but where is the fun in that.

Kosakai ZionTCD 10	Posted - 2014.02.17 08:54:00 - [41] - Quote buahaha yesterday i get hatemail iam noob cause using knifes.... no comment SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 803	Posted - 2014.02.17 09:00:00 - [42] - Quote Horizen Kenpachi wrote: Could u use them on tanks I killed a tank with a sniper rifle before; he was on fire and I took the last bit of armor down. If you could pull off something like that with NK and put it on YouTube, you would become Legend! Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Mark Twain
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 55	Posted - 2014.02.17 10:26:00 - [43] - Quote Tried NK on my scout but could never quite get the hang of it. I'll stick to shotty thanks. Prior to running scout I was pure Heavy and while suddenly dying comes as a surprise. When I see it was knives my response was always "oh, fair enough, good for them, well done." Also scouts suffered terribly to hit detection issues. I recall while forge gunning from a tower hearing the knife swish behind me as an embarassed looking scout plopped down infront of me (I guess he jumped/lunged and the momentum carried him forward). I would've seen a dropship, so he must've seen me up there, hiked over and climbed the considerably long ladder, hopeing no sniper would get him or that I'd happen to be looking that way. To go to all that effort to get one heavy, just to have your swipe do nothing and to get SMGd to death. That was a surprisingly common occurance and I have a lot of respect for scouts who stuck with it. As a HMG user all through uprising I know they suffered even worse than I.


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