DUST Search - Just a quick question about walking backwards

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

If you could sprint while charging (inability to do so was admitted by CCP to be a bug, and not an intended mechanic), this wouldn't be a problem.

Scout walk speed is higher than other suits, but not by enough to balance out the apparent loss of speed when charging or slashing.

If you have to fight enemies who are aware of you and you only have Knives, the best option is to sprint in close enough then just quick slash instead of charging. The ACTUAL best option is to either shoot or not get seen in the first place, because you're a Scout, and Scouts don't do well with being seen.

unless its either my assault rifle scout bpo. or a completly tanked to the **** hose. scout gko

Sorry, MOST Scouts...

yeah. they are easy to kill. but when they get the drop on you and you turn around to hit the ****** hes already boucing away hitting you while you struggle to hit.

the way i see it. sneak attack with std gall scout at scout lvl3, with stdAR millita damage mod, millita profiledamp and rep. seems to work better at killing than my fckn gko

Usually when you get the drop on someone with Nova Knives, they aren't backpedalling, and they don't get a chance to turn around to see you bouncing away.

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Hunter Fencen ROGUE SPADES 94	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:00:00 - [1] - Quote Do y'all move back faster than my scout suit goes forward or am i imagining things as you back pedal faster than i can get closer to you with my knives spamming 1 hit kill shots?
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 555	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:10:00 - [2] - Quote I think it is an Achilles and the Tortoise thing. With the short range of the Nova Knife, I see it being reasonable to an extent.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4491	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:25:00 - [3] - Quote If you could sprint while charging (inability to do so was admitted by CCP to be a bug, and not an intended mechanic), this wouldn't be a problem. Scout walk speed is higher than other suits, but not by enough to balance out the apparent loss of speed when charging or slashing. If you have to fight enemies who are aware of you and you only have Knives, the best option is to sprint in close enough then just quick slash instead of charging. The ACTUAL best option is to either shoot or not get seen in the first place, because you're a Scout, and Scouts don't do well with being seen.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 160	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:27:00 - [4] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: If you could sprint while charging (inability to do so was admitted by CCP to be a bug, and not an intended mechanic), this wouldn't be a problem. Scout walk speed is higher than other suits, but not by enough to balance out the apparent loss of speed when charging or slashing. If you have to fight enemies who are aware of you and you only have Knives, the best option is to sprint in close enough then just quick slash instead of charging. The ACTUAL best option is to either shoot or not get seen in the first place, because you're a Scout, and Scouts don't do well with being seen. unless its either my assault rifle scout bpo. or a completly tanked to the **** hose. scout gko
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4491	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:28:00 - [5] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: If you could sprint while charging (inability to do so was admitted by CCP to be a bug, and not an intended mechanic), this wouldn't be a problem. Scout walk speed is higher than other suits, but not by enough to balance out the apparent loss of speed when charging or slashing. If you have to fight enemies who are aware of you and you only have Knives, the best option is to sprint in close enough then just quick slash instead of charging. The ACTUAL best option is to either shoot or not get seen in the first place, because you're a Scout, and Scouts don't do well with being seen. unless its either my assault rifle scout bpo. or a completly tanked to the **** hose. scout gko Sorry, MOST Scouts...
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 160	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:31:00 - [6] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: If you could sprint while charging (inability to do so was admitted by CCP to be a bug, and not an intended mechanic), this wouldn't be a problem. Scout walk speed is higher than other suits, but not by enough to balance out the apparent loss of speed when charging or slashing. If you have to fight enemies who are aware of you and you only have Knives, the best option is to sprint in close enough then just quick slash instead of charging. The ACTUAL best option is to either shoot or not get seen in the first place, because you're a Scout, and Scouts don't do well with being seen. unless its either my assault rifle scout bpo. or a completly tanked to the ** hose. scout gko Sorry, MOST Scouts... yeah. they are easy to kill. but when they get the drop on you and you turn around to hit the **** hes already boucing away hitting you while you struggle to hit. the way i see it. sneak attack with std gall scout at scout lvl3, with stdAR millita damage mod, millita profiledamp and rep. seems to work better at killing than my fckn gko
Hunter Fencen ROGUE SPADES 94	Posted - 2014.02.16 11:28:00 - [7] - Quote Yes but the fact of the matter is no matter how silky my stealth moves are the fact that someone always can outpace me backwards whilst I charge which can happen quite easily. You say use a gun, defeats the whole point of getting close to knife doesn't it?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4491	Posted - 2014.02.16 11:33:00 - [8] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: If you could sprint while charging (inability to do so was admitted by CCP to be a bug, and not an intended mechanic), this wouldn't be a problem. Scout walk speed is higher than other suits, but not by enough to balance out the apparent loss of speed when charging or slashing. If you have to fight enemies who are aware of you and you only have Knives, the best option is to sprint in close enough then just quick slash instead of charging. The ACTUAL best option is to either shoot or not get seen in the first place, because you're a Scout, and Scouts don't do well with being seen. unless its either my assault rifle scout bpo. or a completly tanked to the ** hose. scout gko Sorry, MOST Scouts... yeah. they are easy to kill. but when they get the drop on you and you turn around to hit the **** hes already boucing away hitting you while you struggle to hit. the way i see it. sneak attack with std gall scout at scout lvl3, with stdAR millita damage mod, millita profiledamp and rep. seems to work better at killing than my fckn gko Usually when you get the drop on someone with Nova Knives, they aren't backpedalling, and they don't get a chance to turn around to see you bouncing away.
Hunter Fencen ROGUE SPADES 95	Posted - 2014.02.16 12:26:00 - [9] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: If you could sprint while charging (inability to do so was admitted by CCP to be a bug, and not an intended mechanic), this wouldn't be a problem. Scout walk speed is higher than other suits, but not by enough to balance out the apparent loss of speed when charging or slashing. If you have to fight enemies who are aware of you and you only have Knives, the best option is to sprint in close enough then just quick slash instead of charging. The ACTUAL best option is to either shoot or not get seen in the first place, because you're a Scout, and Scouts don't do well with being seen. unless its either my assault rifle scout bpo. or a completly tanked to the ** hose. scout gko Sorry, MOST Scouts... yeah. they are easy to kill. but when they get the drop on you and you turn around to hit the **** hes already boucing away hitting you while you struggle to hit. the way i see it. sneak attack with std gall scout at scout lvl3, with stdAR millita damage mod, millita profiledamp and rep. seems to work better at killing than my fckn gko Usually when you get the drop on someone with Nova Knives, they aren't backpedalling, and they don't get a chance to turn around to see you bouncing away. I know that stealth dropping on people is the way to go but quite often, especially heavies or proto hp gankers have time to turn before knife 2 and thats where the problem arises
Lucifalic Nos Nothi 350	Posted - 2014.02.16 12:31:00 - [10] - Quote backpedaling really hurts NK and SG. Its quite ridiculous how fast the backpedal is in this game and should be halved, or slowed down when shooting. Another huge problem with this mechanic is they can backpedal and hipfire their rifles with pinpoint accuracy. So if you dont get an ohk and they spin around, your generally toast in your paper suit. Rough Here since Closed beta. Scout for life.

Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3049	Posted - 2014.02.16 12:38:00 - [11] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: If you could sprint while charging (inability to do so was admitted by CCP to be a bug, and not an intended mechanic), this wouldn't be a problem. Scout walk speed is higher than other suits, but not by enough to balance out the apparent loss of speed when charging or slashing. If you have to fight enemies who are aware of you and you only have Knives, the best option is to sprint in close enough then just quick slash instead of charging. The ACTUAL best option is to either shoot or not get seen in the first place, because you're a Scout, and Scouts don't do well with being seen. I feel thats kind of op my NK OHK almost all standard or MLT suits just with a tap of R1 a charge will OHK everything but a proto heavy running would make it maybe too easy :\ "The human brain named itself... :o" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficeiney 5 \o/
Hunter Fencen ROGUE SPADES 96	Posted - 2014.02.16 13:26:00 - [12] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: If you could sprint while charging (inability to do so was admitted by CCP to be a bug, and not an intended mechanic), this wouldn't be a problem. Scout walk speed is higher than other suits, but not by enough to balance out the apparent loss of speed when charging or slashing. If you have to fight enemies who are aware of you and you only have Knives, the best option is to sprint in close enough then just quick slash instead of charging. The ACTUAL best option is to either shoot or not get seen in the first place, because you're a Scout, and Scouts don't do well with being seen. I feel thats kind of op my NK OHK almost all standard or MLT suits just with a tap of R1 a charge will OHK everything but a proto heavy running would make it maybe too easy :\ Agreed, (also those pesky caldari/ gallente logi tanks not just heavies) its just the backpedal thats a problem. Something else that might be nice, and this is just a whim, would be less fall damage for us scouts or wall running. That would be badass sprinting along a wall, dropping 50 metres and charge hitting an assault.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1653	Posted - 2014.02.16 13:33:00 - [13] - Quote Can't you still R3 melee with the NK? Doesn't that remove the need to charge? Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Hunter Fencen ROGUE SPADES 96	Posted - 2014.02.16 13:42:00 - [14] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Can't you still R3 melee with the NK? Doesn't that remove the need to charge? does minimal damage, not worth it, also doesn't stop the fact they go back as fast as i go forward
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3054	Posted - 2014.02.16 13:48:00 - [15] - Quote Hunter Fencen wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Can't you still R3 melee with the NK? Doesn't that remove the need to charge? does minimal damage, not worth it, also doesn't stop the fact they go back as fast as i go forward I believe he's referring to a old glitch where if you meleed right before charging u could run with charged NKs it was fixed "The human brain named itself... :o" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficeiney 5 \o/
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 36	Posted - 2014.02.16 13:50:00 - [16] - Quote I didn't know you could walk backwards in this game. Also can someone post pictures of all the posts in a nutshell? That would resolve 90% of the problems on this forum, that and a violent meta game uprising. Unleash the Fogwoggler
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1654	Posted - 2014.02.16 13:55:00 - [17] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: Hunter Fencen wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Can't you still R3 melee with the NK? Doesn't that remove the need to charge? does minimal damage, not worth it, also doesn't stop the fact they go back as fast as i go forward I believe he's referring to a old glitch where if you meleed right before charging u could run with charged NKs it was fixed No, I wasn't referring to that glitch. I was under the impression that R3 melee with NK did comparable damage to a charged strike. I rarely use them and when I do, it is always charged, though I also have the patience for them to come to me, I don't chase kills with them. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Hunter Fencen ROGUE SPADES 96	Posted - 2014.02.16 14:10:00 - [18] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: Hunter Fencen wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Can't you still R3 melee with the NK? Doesn't that remove the need to charge? does minimal damage, not worth it, also doesn't stop the fact they go back as fast as i go forward I believe he's referring to a old glitch where if you meleed right before charging u could run with charged NKs it was fixed No, I wasn't referring to that glitch. I was under the impression that R3 melee with NK did comparable damage to a charged strike. I rarely use them and when I do, it is always charged, though I also have the patience for them to come to me, I don't chase kills with them. I also use the "useless" myofibrils too though so that might have skewed my impression. Patience is key to Nova Kniving. Barely comparable as it does far less damage than a charged shot, myofibrils are cool but i'd rather use sidearm mods or scanner precisions
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1654	Posted - 2014.02.16 14:22:00 - [19] - Quote Hunter Fencen wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: Hunter Fencen wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Can't you still R3 melee with the NK? Doesn't that remove the need to charge? does minimal damage, not worth it, also doesn't stop the fact they go back as fast as i go forward I believe he's referring to a old glitch where if you meleed right before charging u could run with charged NKs it was fixed No, I wasn't referring to that glitch. I was under the impression that R3 melee with NK did comparable damage to a charged strike. I rarely use them and when I do, it is always charged, though I also have the patience for them to come to me, I don't chase kills with them. I also use the "useless" myofibrils too though so that might have skewed my impression. Patience is key to Nova Kniving. Barely comparable as it does far less damage than a charged shot, myofibrils are cool but i'd rather use sidearm mods or scanner precisions The most fun I have had with NK was as a M/1 Logi with stacked Myos (Complex, Enhanced and Basic for full effect) and stacked Complex Damps. I would scan down enemies and try to predict what corners they would come around. I had one match where I got four kills in rapid succession as reddots would come up the stairs and around the corner into the arms of my waiting NK. It was almost like they were coming singlefile wanting to die. I have to admit that this is probably the best memory I have of NK since it is really the only memory I have of NK kills I've gotten. I flank one shotted a Heavy that match too. I imagine they were a pissed bunch of reddots knowing that they were killed by someone who had nothing but NK for defense. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
jhon hartigan Maphia Clan Corporation 63	Posted - 2014.02.16 14:29:00 - [20] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: If you could sprint while charging (inability to do so was admitted by CCP to be a bug, and not an intended mechanic), this wouldn't be a problem. . Link please?

Hunter Fencen ROGUE SPADES 97	Posted - 2014.02.16 14:59:00 - [21] - Quote Quote: The most fun I have had with NK was as a M/1 Logi with stacked Myos (Complex, Enhanced and Basic for full effect) and stacked Complex Damps. I would scan down enemies and try to predict what corners they would come around. I had one match where I got four kills in rapid succession as reddots would come up the stairs and around the corner into the arms of my waiting NK. It was almost like they were coming singlefile wanting to die. I have to admit that this is probably the best memory I have of NK since it is really the only memory I have of NK kills I've gotten. I flank one shotted a Heavy that match too. I imagine they were a pissed bunch of reddots knowing that they were killed by someone who had nothing but NK for defense. Scanner+Knives+Sillydots= Predator jumps round corners
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4494	Posted - 2014.02.16 21:21:00 - [22] - Quote jhon hartigan wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: If you could sprint while charging (inability to do so was admitted by CCP to be a bug, and not an intended mechanic), this wouldn't be a problem. . Link please? After a slack job of trying to use the forum search tool, I remember why I never use the forum search tool. After an equally slack job of using Google search, I found that I may have been incorrect. There were unique animations present for sprinting with Nova Knives charged, but I could be wrong about official word on it being an unintended limitation on Knives. I have a feeling it was mentioned somewhere, but the closest I can find to a reference is this thread where they mention the animations: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=789379#post789379 I'm 100% sure I've seen other references to the same thing, along with having seen the animation for myself in-game, but I'm not 100% certain of official acknowledgement that it had been intended. I am about 80% sure, but I'm also in dire need of sleep right now, so a proper search can wait.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1233	Posted - 2014.02.16 21:28:00 - [23] - Quote whoever thinks you shouldn't be able to charge while sprinting with a nova knife is just butt hurt.... you mad bro? Seriously every time a NK gets a kill in DUST, it improves it. In a time where we have super human dropsuits improving all our abilities more so then ROBOCOP Epic sound effect It personally was a selling feature for me and many others that super fast glass cannon, not weighed down with tech for health point; Ninja like scouts where going to be running around and pack a massive punch and also be vulnerable.. A Time where Super human Speed would make Melee a Functional form of combat again... where you could close gaps and get into someones personal space to use a blade. And also have the same ability with a gun to use the map your wits, and ability to defend yourself against these fast glass cannons with your armored up suit with defensive range potential.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1673	Posted - 2014.02.16 23:47:00 - [24] - Quote @Bethhy I think the reason you can't hold a charge while running is because then people would end up stacking KinCats and Cardiac Regs with NK on a Minja and you'd mistake Dust for MW2 (I think that is the one with the Commando/Marathon combo, IDK though, I never really played any CoD that much). Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4496	Posted - 2014.02.17 03:25:00 - [25] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: you'd mistake Dust for MW2 Well that CERTAINLY won't be happening before MTACs come out. DUST doesn't look anything at all like this.
Squagga The State Protectorate 244	Posted - 2014.02.17 03:34:00 - [26] - Quote I think the problem is all the ****, I mean bullets hitting your face while you run towards me with a weapon that has a range of closer than two boys kissing Reloading, the silent killer.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1680	Posted - 2014.02.17 03:40:00 - [27] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: you'd mistake Dust for MW2 Well that CERTAINLY won't be happening before MTACs come out. DUST doesn't look anything at all like this. I see what you did there. This is more what I meant. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4500	Posted - 2014.02.17 04:24:00 - [28] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: you'd mistake Dust for MW2 Well that CERTAINLY won't be happening before MTACs come out. DUST doesn't look anything at all like this. I see what you did there. This is more what I meant. But that's not MW2. It's a CoD game. Nothing against that particular one, but it isn't on a sufficient level to deserve the acronym. They can have MW4, since there's no MechWarrior 4 (don't believe the lies Microsoft would tell you).
Hunter Fencen ROGUE SPADES 101	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:53:00 - [29] - Quote Squagga wrote: I think the problem is all the ****, I mean bullets hitting your face while you run towards me with a weapon that has a range of closer than two boys kissing As you appear to sprint backwards with no effort, yeah. Sure shoot me but don't glide backwards while doing it at 80mph
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 680	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:56:00 - [30] - Quote if they ever fix the mellee sytem knives will need a nerf.



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