DUST Search - Assault dropship costs are insane

Pvt Numnutz wrote:

straya fox wrote:

Fair enough guys you have convinced me, make them cheaper, but there has to be a counter besides a rail tank. If AV is not buffed then things are going to be in a terrible state.

I have knocked off a few with my forge gun but it's hardly reliable against a good pilot with a 2.5- 3 sec charge time. These kills are mostly guys that don't move after the first hit, who knows why not.

I just got my back up a bit because the sentiments you guys were putting across were very similar to pre 1.7 tank threads and look what happened.

Any way thanks for the discussion. i'm out.

Many dropship pilots agree with you, myself included. Light av should be buffed a bit, though it should take at least two swarms to bring down a proto fit dropship or else dropships would just be really expensive suits. I wouldn't mind giving the forge gun less of a charge up time but I have seen some talented forge gunners fight off dropships in 1.7.
I have great respect for forge gunners because they need as much skill as a dropship pilot to do their job. Unlike rail tanks.

I can understand your concerns for assault dropships going the way of the tank. Let me reassure you, good assault dropship pilots have spent way to much time getting good at flying to make it into an op FOTM. Dropships are challenging and that's fun, without a challenge it would be stale.
It takes far too much sp to be a FOTM anyway because you need at least 5mil skill points to be effective as an assault dropship pilot, something every ace pilot is proud of.

Assault dropship spam won't happen, and would be hilarious to watch if rookies tried. To become proficient at flying you have to spend a couple months flying and getting shot down. I have flown in dropship squadrons and it is chaos, dropships crash into each other all the time, redline rails make short work of them and av makes collisions happen all the time. The squadrons I flew with contained some of the best pilots I know on dust and it was very hard to keep everything coordinated. If you want to fly in a squadron you need 6 months minimum of flight time plus a few weeks of flying with another dropship before you even consider becoming a squadron pilot. ADS spam is only for very experienced pilots and even then its very easily countered, trust me I know.

Anyway glad you can see where we are coming from, have a good night, come fly with us sometime and see what we are talking about.

(Also I'm starting to realize how backwards the dropship world is compared to the rest of dust)


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Piercing Serenity Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 567	Posted - 2014.03.03 21:22:00 - [1] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: straya fox wrote: Fair enough guys you have convinced me, make them cheaper, but there has to be a counter besides a rail tank. If AV is not buffed then things are going to be in a terrible state. I have knocked off a few with my forge gun but it's hardly reliable against a good pilot with a 2.5- 3 sec charge time. These kills are mostly guys that don't move after the first hit, who knows why not. I just got my back up a bit because the sentiments you guys were putting across were very similar to pre 1.7 tank threads and look what happened. Any way thanks for the discussion. i'm out. Many dropship pilots agree with you, myself included. Light av should be buffed a bit, though it should take at least two swarms to bring down a proto fit dropship or else dropships would just be really expensive suits. I wouldn't mind giving the forge gun less of a charge up time but I have seen some talented forge gunners fight off dropships in 1.7. I have great respect for forge gunners because they need as much skill as a dropship pilot to do their job. Unlike rail tanks. I can understand your concerns for assault dropships going the way of the tank. Let me reassure you, good assault dropship pilots have spent way to much time getting good at flying to make it into an op FOTM. Dropships are challenging and that's fun, without a challenge it would be stale. It takes far too much sp to be a FOTM anyway because you need at least 5mil skill points to be effective as an assault dropship pilot, something every ace pilot is proud of. Assault dropship spam won't happen, and would be hilarious to watch if rookies tried. To become proficient at flying you have to spend a couple months flying and getting shot down. I have flown in dropship squadrons and it is chaos, dropships crash into each other all the time, redline rails make short work of them and av makes collisions happen all the time. The squadrons I flew with contained some of the best pilots I know on dust and it was very hard to keep everything coordinated. If you want to fly in a squadron you need 6 months minimum of flight time plus a few weeks of flying with another dropship before you even consider becoming a squadron pilot. ADS spam is only for very experienced pilots and even then its very easily countered, trust me I know. Anyway glad you can see where we are coming from, have a good night, come fly with us sometime and see what we are talking about. (Also I'm starting to realize how backwards the dropship world is compared to the rest of dust) Here's the only problem I'm seeing: Right now the tanking situation is so imbalanced because one tanker requires many more than one AV player to truly deny the tanker any points/tactical positions. That problem is compounded by the fact that if someone skilled into proto AV as a non-heavy - by that I mean this player has all of the relevant levels in proto swarms, AV nades, Equipment, etc - that player would make virtually zero ISK. I have never flown an assault dropship, so my assumption should be taken as just that - but that proto swarm AV player who has dedicated all of his SP to be a vehicle counter would be paid less than drop suit pilots for trying to fulfill his role since there is no reward for "pushing a tank back". If drop ships require more than one person to shut them down, and they are changed in a way that makes them more efficient to fly (whatever that may be), then we will have a similar situation. One of the roles specifically designed to counter dropships - in this case a non-heavy infantry player - will not be enough. Moreover, even if that infantry player does manage to stop the dropship, he gets no ISK or WP for anything unless it dies, which is even more rare. DUST 514 BETA VET 16.2M Lifetime SP SH4T --> PFBHz --> PFB --> SH4T --> Fatal