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Posted - 2014.02.16 07:58:00 -
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straya fox wrote:Look champ 'proto' when used in relation to vehicles means modules and weapons.
If you want the power then f*cking pay for it, or get on the ground and risk your KDR like everyone else. Show me on the clone where the assault dropship touched you.
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Posted - 2014.02.16 08:12:00 -
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darkiller240 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:They need to stay expensive in order to prevent spam.
Case and point, tanks. Becuase good Assult dropship pilots are really common Its the biggest SP/Skill ( And Isk wich is a problem) sink in the game of course its gotto be powerful spamming such a thing is really hard There is no militia Ass Dropship +1 on reducing price to about 90k 150k would be fine and balanced
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Posted - 2014.02.16 08:14:00 -
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straya fox wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:straya fox wrote:@numnutz, so at 650k ISK a pop you must be putting some fairly decent gear on your dropship, that you use in pubs. Like say running a proto drop suit in pubs, infantry expect to lose ISK under those conditions and so should you. No sh!t bro. Every dropship I bring onto the field I expect to loose, I learned that a long time ago. Its probably the only thing that has kept me sane. The difference between a prototype suit and a prototype dropship is this, a basic suit can still be effective with a basic weapon. A python requires atleast adv level equipment just to survive, and you have to survive if you want to make isk, because if you loose one dropship a game you will go bankrupt by the end of the week. My 15 pythons must last me a minimum of 30 games for me to break even and that's if me and my crew are top of the boards every game. They don't have to be as cheap as tanks, but they shouldn't cost so much more. Have you ever tried being a gunner on a python? I fit prototype turrets because when we come in on a run we have little time to get kills and get out, I need as much fire as I can so I'm not sitting in one place for a rail or forge. The gunners I have flown with for months can predict the motion of my dropship and place the shots they need to for us to get out. Blueberry gunners can barley kill 2 guys in the time my gunner's would kill or suppress 5. Adv turrets are still good but for those who are dedicated dropship pilots, that couple percentages make the difference between life and sudden death. From what I have learned, I fly the best dropship I can so there is a better chance of it coming back, even if the chance is very low. If I just fit my pythons with std and adv mods and turrets it would still cost me 400k or up, only it would be shot down a lot easier by av. If one or two of my proto fit pythons come back then they might survive two and then I have paid it off. The better equipment allows me to stay in the fight for 10 more seconds before I have to leave, that's a potential 3 kills, no man left behind, or distraction for my team, potentially more isk which I sorely need. If I'm not in the fight, or doing something useful then I'm making scraps, prototype gear is the only ones that are really effective for dropships. That is if your a dedicated pilot and your dropship is how you make money. Most of my sp is in dropships 7 or 8 mil. So my dropship is my money maker, but its also my isk sink. If it wasn't so much of a sink then I might have one or two dropships extra and can restock my suits without dipping into the money for dropships. And that's cool man, but like EVERYONE ELSE if you want to run proto in pubs expect to lose money. I'm sorry that advanced is not good enough for you, take it up with CCP. But don't whine about cost effectiveness in pubs while running a pro to fit out. Not everyone uses a proto weapon or proto equipment on a proto suit....
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Posted - 2014.02.16 08:26:00 -
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straya fox wrote:@NK Scout, i was having a discussion with Numnutz, and he only uses proto fittings on his assault dropship in pubs. I am of the opinion that if thats what you want to run then it's going to be ISK risky. He seems to break even though so i guess he's pretty good at it.
You can't balance a proto fitted dropship to be cost effective in pubs, it's ridiculous. I can too if there isnt much av resistance, and the only way to use a python is a complex hardener with comp,ex pg upgrade, and incubus need complex heavy rep to do ****
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Posted - 2014.02.16 08:27:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:straya fox wrote: And that's cool man, but like EVERYONE ELSE if you want to run proto in pubs expect to lose money. I'm sorry that advanced is not good enough for you, take it up with CCP. But don't whine about cost effectiveness in pubs while running a pro to fit out.
Well I don't know how to explain it to you any more clearly than I just did But I'll try anyway. Assault dropships are expensive before you fit anything on it, be it milita, std, adv, or pro. In a dust where milita rail tanks and wiki forge guns can OHK you, if your bringing anything less than proto on a python your going to loose a lot of isk, PC especially where av players know how to counter a dropship, FW where you don't make any isk back, or pub matches where most players not involved in PC play where all kinds of sh!t can happen, your going to be scraping by if your lucky, and buddy that's pretty ******* lucky. TL;DR dropships need prototype gear to survive. They need to survive at least one game to make any isk. 2 or 3 games, isk payouts are around 170k
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Posted - 2014.02.17 05:59:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Cost is fine.
500k for a fully proto-ed ship (mods and turret).
That's about 2 good games per ship. If you're losing more than that, even with rail tanks currently (why are you risking an ADS with a redline rail tank on the field anyway?), you're doing it wrong. Its 1.6 all over again, you dont know it but someone pulled out a forge and ypur forced to recall I speced into something I shouldnt be forced to put it away or lose it.
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Posted - 2014.02.17 06:01:00 -
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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote:RemingtonBeaver wrote:Happy Violentime wrote:
What's that saying in EVE? Don't use what you can't afford to lose??
Whenever I see an ads in a pub ambush they usually have 1 extra turret at most and seem to be almost perma hardened - any ADS I've ever taken down with a proto forge has been by bad luck of the pilot - usually I just hear them laugh as they fly over my head and missile me to death.
What level is your forge at? Because I've never had a dropship take one shot from me and stay anywhere near me...and live. And as far as this "don't use what you can't afford to use" goes. You actually have to be able to use something. Call in a dropship with rails on the field. Feel the glorious power for the entire 3 seconds you're in the air. That's if it even makes off the RDV before it's railed to death. I take up that challenge gladly. With two enhanced hardeners and a enhance heavy shield extender I can take prolonged fire from proto forge. I am not perfect yet in forge v ads, but practice makes perfect! Thats if the forge sucks.....
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Posted - 2014.02.17 09:10:00 -
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straya fox wrote:NK Scout wrote:straya fox wrote:Look champ 'proto' when used in relation to vehicles means modules and weapons.
If you want the power then f*cking pay for it, or get on the ground and risk your KDR like everyone else. Show me on the clone where the assault dropship touched you. It's not the dropship, the point of my discussion is when rail tanks are nerfed there will be nothing left to take them out. so why do they deserve a price reduction? Exept forges, collison, proto swarms, blasters, missile turrets, rail turrets after nerf...
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Posted - 2014.02.18 00:43:00 -
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The-Errorist wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:A freshly bought unmodified assault dropship costs about as much as a decently fitted tank (certainly more than a very effective 70k tank). There is no reason why it should be so costly. Basic dropship 45k Assault dropship 323k (costs much more when fully well fitted) I believe that specializations for vehicles and dropsuits should be more expensive than their basic counterparts, but it should be like a 20% increase. Right now an assault dropship has over a 7x increase in price compared to a basic dropship. An assault dropship with only a small turret for the pilot should not be cheaper or cost more than a tank with substantially more HP and firepower capable of ruing the lives of infantry. It is no way ok that being an assault dropship pilot should mean living in poverty. Assault dropship prices need to be severely cut. I do agree that a 7x cost increase is absurd, but only having 20% cost increase for specializations is far too little; specialized vehicles should just be 3x the cost; in the case assault dropship, it should be 135k. Or 150k, either way it needs to go down...
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Posted - 2014.02.18 12:04:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Honestly, have any of you who are against ADS price decrease actually flown one? For one match? Any takers?
At a minimum, ADS need a price decrease, hands down. 120k would be optimal. They need some more work beyond that, but a price decrease at least means I can fly one without worrying about having to go 2-3 matches to replace it should I lose it very fast. fixed, but 150k to prevent ADS QQ
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