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Summ Dude
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Posted - 2014.02.16 04:21:00 -
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Pretty much what the title says. The Accuracy stat for weapons, I'd like a definitive answer on what it means. My understanding is that it refers to how much dispersion the gun will have. But as the game doesn't actually tell me, I'd really like to know for sure. Anyone with links or even (fates be willing) a blue tag would be great here. Please, don't bother with "I think it's this" or "It's this cause I heard that once". I'm just looking for hard facts.
Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.16 04:24:00 -
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CCP likes to have these stats that are just numbers and expect us to know what they are with zero explanation. |
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Posted - 2014.02.16 04:24:00 -
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It means...how accurate the weapon is.
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Bethhy
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Posted - 2014.02.16 04:34:00 -
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its a number that means things. CCP and easy explanation?
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Summ Dude
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Posted - 2014.02.16 04:41:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:CCP likes to have these stats that are just numbers and expect us to know what they are with zero explanation.
A serious problem indeed.
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LEHON Xeon
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Posted - 2014.02.16 04:46:00 -
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I wish they would provide actual weapon ranges in the description sections also. Would be far more helpful, but most of the time, CCP is anything but for those scenarios lol.
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Summ Dude
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Posted - 2014.02.16 04:54:00 -
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LEHON Xeon wrote:I wish they would provide actual weapon ranges in the description sections also. Would be far more helpful, but most of the time, CCP is anything but for those scenarios lol.
Also a definite must. I'm actually really surprised the ranges haven't been there since day one; it just seems so basic.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.02.16 04:57:00 -
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Yes, it is hip fire dispersion.
I believe that if a weapon had 100 accuracy, it would be perfectly accurate.
I don't remember how I got to this conclusion but it seemed to fit perfectly well when I figured it out.
So it's probably a %.
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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2014.02.16 05:03:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Yes, it is hip fire dispersion.
I believe that if a weapon had 100 accuracy, it would be perfectly accurate.
I don't remember how I got to this conclusion but it seemed to fit perfectly well when I figured it out.
So it's probably a %.
This was my understanding as well considering the number never tops over 100
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.16 05:04:00 -
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It is the hip fire accuracy. The higher the number the more acurate the hip fire.
Tbh, I'm surprised at how many people answered this thread and didn't know this?
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.16 05:16:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:It is the hip fire accuracy. The higher the number the more acurate the hip fire.
Tbh, I'm surprised at how many people answered this thread and didn't know this?
ADS also has dispersion, does it not?
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Sete Clifton
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DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.02.16 05:23:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:It is the hip fire accuracy. The higher the number the more acurate the hip fire.
Tbh, I'm surprised at how many people answered this thread and didn't know this? ADS also has dispersion, does it not?
It's been a while, but when they lowered the TAR hipfire accuracy, the accuracy number in the stats for it also dropped. But it was still very accurate with ADS (way better than the number listed). That's what always made me believe it was the hipfire number that was listed. |
Awry Barux
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
Zero-Day
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Posted - 2014.02.16 05:27:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:It is the hip fire accuracy. The higher the number the more acurate the hip fire.
Tbh, I'm surprised at how many people answered this thread and didn't know this? ADS also has dispersion, does it not?
Not that I've ever noticed, at least not with any rifle weapon. |
Summ Dude
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Posted - 2014.02.16 05:29:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Yes, it is hip fire dispersion.
I believe that if a weapon had 100 accuracy, it would be perfectly accurate.
I don't remember how I got to this conclusion but it seemed to fit perfectly well when I figured it out.
So it's probably a %. This was my understanding as well considering the number never tops over 100
I was thinking the same thing. But again, I'm looking for concrete answers. If you do recall how you got to that conclusion, please let me know.
Son-Of A-Gun wrote:It is the hip fire accuracy. The higher the number the more acurate the hip fire.
Tbh, I'm surprised at how many people answered this thread and didn't know this?
And you got your info from...?
Sete Clifton wrote:It's been a while, but when they lowered the TAR hipfire accuracy, the accuracy number in the stats for it also dropped. But it was still very accurate with ADS (way better than the number listed). That's what always made me believe it was the hipfire number that was listed.
This is so far the most fact-based answer I've gotten, so thanks. However, I'd still like to hear something a little bit more solid.
Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
1263
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Posted - 2014.02.16 05:35:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:It is the hip fire accuracy. The higher the number the more acurate the hip fire.
Tbh, I'm surprised at how many people answered this thread and didn't know this? ADS also has dispersion, does it not?
Not that I have been able to tell from testing. The ads fires where ever the sight is pointed. This factor would be accounted for under "kick" where as hip fire under "dispersion".
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.16 05:36:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Yes, it is hip fire dispersion.
I believe that if a weapon had 100 accuracy, it would be perfectly accurate.
I don't remember how I got to this conclusion but it seemed to fit perfectly well when I figured it out.
So it's probably a %.
Percentage of hits at what range?
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Summ Dude
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Posted - 2014.02.16 05:40:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Yes, it is hip fire dispersion.
I believe that if a weapon had 100 accuracy, it would be perfectly accurate.
I don't remember how I got to this conclusion but it seemed to fit perfectly well when I figured it out.
So it's probably a %. Percentage of hits at what range?
If this were indeed the case, I would take it more to mean the percentage of bullets that go straight down your reticle. Which definitely makes sense, I'm just looking for a definitive answer.
Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.16 05:40:00 -
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Summ Dude wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:It is the hip fire accuracy. The higher the number the more acurate the hip fire.
Tbh, I'm surprised at how many people answered this thread and didn't know this? And you got your info from...?
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Summ Dude
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Posted - 2014.02.16 05:45:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Summ Dude wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:It is the hip fire accuracy. The higher the number the more acurate the hip fire.
Tbh, I'm surprised at how many people answered this thread and didn't know this? And you got your info from...? Field testing. *taps the side of his temple with his index finger* Smarter than your average bear, you see.
...how exactly do you field test what a number represents? Especially when it could be representing a combination of stats, such as kick and dispersion.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.16 05:57:00 -
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Summ Dude wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Summ Dude wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:It is the hip fire accuracy. The higher the number the more acurate the hip fire.
Tbh, I'm surprised at how many people answered this thread and didn't know this? And you got your info from...? Field testing. *taps the side of his temple with his index finger* Smarter than your average bear, you see. ...how exactly do you field test what a number represents? Especially when it could be representing a combination of stats, such as kick and dispersion.
It's quite easy really you take a very low dispersion like weapon, like the burst scrambler pistol and a really high one, like the Balac's AR, stand about ten to fifteen meter away from a wall and fire at the wall. The rest is pattern recognition and understanding mathematics/physics and what could possibly be involved in the composition of such a stat.
The other: "ads", is a lot more simple. It only requires good pattern observation. It is quite easy to see the bullets land where ever the sight is pointed.
It's really not as difficult as you are making it out to be. Take it or leave it. Really doesn't matter to me. *shrugs*
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.16 06:01:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:It is the hip fire accuracy. The higher the number the more acurate the hip fire.
Tbh, I'm surprised at how many people answered this thread and didn't know this? ADS also has dispersion, does it not? How that I have been able to tell? From testing. The ads fires where ever the sight is pointed. This factor would be accounted for under "kick" where as hip fire under "dispersion".
As to kick and dispersion... I have now edited the above post, so maybe it'll make more sence to you now.
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Summ Dude
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Posted - 2014.02.16 06:10:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:It is the hip fire accuracy. The higher the number the more acurate the hip fire.
Tbh, I'm surprised at how many people answered this thread and didn't know this? ADS also has dispersion, does it not? How that I have been able to tell? From testing. The ads fires where ever the sight is pointed. This factor would be accounted for under "kick" where as hip fire under "dispersion". As to kick and dispersion... I have now edited the above post, so maybe it'll make more sence to you now.
So you're saying to test this, you shoot at a wall and try to "eyeball" how severe the spread is?
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.16 06:42:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:It's quite easy really you take a very low dispersion like weapon, like the burst scrambler pistol and a really high one, like the Balac's AR, stand about ten to fifteen meter away from a wall and fire at the wall. The rest is pattern recognition and understanding mathematics/physics and what could possibly be involved in the composition of such a stat.
The other: "ads", is a lot more simple. It only requires good pattern observation. It is quite easy to see the bullets land where ever the sight is pointed.
It's really not as difficult as you are making it out to be. Take it or leave it. Really doesn't matter to me. *shrugs*
Which variant of spread does it use?
If I had a gun with 100 bullets that would theoretically represent the entirety of the accuracy quota would it with 55 accuracy:
1: Land 55 bullets on the center of the reticule or close to it, while the 45 other bullets get randomly distributed through radial distribution?
2:Set two target zones within which the bullets land at random and 55 will land inside of the smaller of the two zones, while the 45 land in the outer zone (think an archery target, but the bullets would be exclusive to their separate rings)
In the first spread, the random bullets have a chance of hitting on target, in the second one the random bullets will never strike center, because the impact regions do not intersect.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.16 07:15:00 -
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"Which variant of spread does it use?
If I had a gun with 100 bullets that would theoretically represent the entirety of the accuracy quota would it with 55 accuracy:"
I'm petty sure that it doesn't work anything like what you are thinking. Pretty sure that it woks a a percentage. With 100% being a strait line and 0% being some arbitrary angle chosen by CCP.
"1: Land 55 bullets on the center of the reticule or close to it, while the 45 other bullets get randomly distributed through radial distribution?"
I'm not understanding your question.
"2:Set two target zones within which the bullets land at random and 55 will land inside of the smaller of the two zones, while the 45 land in the outer zone (think an archery target, but the bullets would be exclusive to their separate rings)"
It's a flight path trajectory. I'm not understanding what your trying to get at here.
In the first spread, the random bullets have a chance of hitting on target, in the second one the random bullets will never strike center, because the impact regions do not intersect.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.16 07:18:00 -
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Summ Dude wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:It is the hip fire accuracy. The higher the number the more acurate the hip fire.
Tbh, I'm surprised at how many people answered this thread and didn't know this? ADS also has dispersion, does it not? How that I have been able to tell? From testing. The ads fires where ever the sight is pointed. This factor would be accounted for under "kick" where as hip fire under "dispersion". As to kick and dispersion... I have now edited the above post, so maybe it'll make more sence to you now. So you're saying to test this, you shoot at a wall and try to "eyeball" how severe the spread is?
Exactly. Though I think you are selling it short. I have really good eyeballs.
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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.02.16 07:23:00 -
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LEHON Xeon wrote:I wish they would provide actual weapon ranges in the description sections also. Would be far more helpful, but most of the time, CCP is anything but for those scenarios lol.
Be nice to see everything a suit/skill can mod displayed on your fitting screen really, like reload times, shield delay, depleted delay, weapon damage mod %, armor resist, scan precision, range, profile, etc.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.02.16 07:26:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:LEHON Xeon wrote:I wish they would provide actual weapon ranges in the description sections also. Would be far more helpful, but most of the time, CCP is anything but for those scenarios lol. Be nice to see everything a suit/skill can mod displayed on your fitting screen really, like reload times, shield delay, depleted delay, weapon damage mod %, armor resist, scan precision, range, profile, etc.
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Summ Dude
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Posted - 2014.02.16 07:45:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Zeylon Rho wrote:LEHON Xeon wrote:I wish they would provide actual weapon ranges in the description sections also. Would be far more helpful, but most of the time, CCP is anything but for those scenarios lol. Be nice to see everything a suit/skill can mod displayed on your fitting screen really, like reload times, shield delay, depleted delay, weapon damage mod %, armor resist, scan precision, range, profile, etc. There is a shadowy secretive Illuminati-esque Dust Skype group I want to add you in. Mail me your Skype so I can add you.
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But also, definite yes to adding more fitting stats in-game.
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ladwar
Death by Disassociation
Legacy Rising
1993
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Posted - 2014.02.16 07:55:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Yes, it is hip fire dispersion.
I believe that if a weapon had 100 accuracy, it would be perfectly accurate.
I don't remember how I got to this conclusion but it seemed to fit perfectly well when I figured it out.
So it's probably a %. This was my understanding as well considering the number never tops over 100
its hipfire accuracy while crouched. ADS is 100% on all weapons besides shotguns,hmg (they really don't have a ADS according to CCP) and any other weird pattern weapons like lasers. and that's to the center point of the weapon. i LOL at the laser since its target reticule is basic the size of the laser so its basically 100% accurate in hipfire, but its a long range weapon???? kindof backwards there CCP. better hipfire for closer range. better ADS for longer range weapons but in dust its 100% so there isn't that. its all about TTK numbers then. so accuracy rating is well next to pointless. add super low recoil to full auto weapons and you see the ARs are king. TTK.
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.02.16 12:46:00 -
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It's an aggregate score of the percentage of rounds that fall within a certain radius (unkown) at a certain distance (unkown) in all possible firing conditions of a weapon. The percentages of rounds that satisfy those unknown conditions from both ADS and hipfire while crouching, standing still and moving are all combined to generate the accuracy stat.
Because the change in dispersion while in each firing condition vary for each weapon type the accuracy stat is not a valid point of comparison between different weapons types. However with weapons of the same type it gives a general idea of the improvement in accuracy when moving up to the next tier compared to the previous one. However exactly which firing condition is actually improving can not be determined by any means I'm aware of.
Anyway that's what I've been able to piece together. This is most certainly one of those things that CCP will never confirm any theory or disclose the actual formula. So I'm just guessing but that's what I think anyway.
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Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.16 13:32:00 -
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Summ Dude wrote:Pretty much what the title says. The Accuracy stat for weapons, I'd like a definitive answer on what it means. My understanding is that it refers to how much dispersion the gun will have. But as the game doesn't actually tell me, I'd really like to know for sure. Anyone with links or even (fates be willing) a blue tag would be great here. Please, don't bother with "I think it's this" or "It's this cause I heard that once". I'm just looking for hard facts.
Sometimes the gun lies to you and the bullets don't go where your pointing them at. The accuracy tells you how often the gun lies to you.
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Kierkegaard Soren
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.02.16 13:57:00 -
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It's the size of your target reticule when hip firing, for the purposes of showing how your fire will disperse; at a value of 100 the reticule is a pin-point dot, similar to ADS in effect. The lower the number, the wider the reticule, and thus the higher the dispersion. This base amount is then modified by a negative amount when you're moving, but the values of this modifier are different for each weapon type.
I don't have concrete evidence, but that stat caused me to think about how it works and what it represents, and this my best educated guess.
Ina related note, we really need the ability to select a stat on the weapon preview screen and expand it to allow a clear and concise explanation of what that number equates to in the game.
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.02.16 14:26:00 -
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All of your ideas get thrown out the window once you realize the Laser Rifle has an accuracy rating of 53.3
It isn't a percentage.
Lower number = more accurate.
It isn't based on degrees. The Laser Rifle has a 0-¦ Hipfire and ADS accuracy.
What does this number mean CCP?
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Summ Dude
Direct Action Resources
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Posted - 2014.02.16 18:51:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:All of your ideas get thrown out the window once you realize the Laser Rifle has an accuracy rating of 53.73
It isn't a percentage.
Lower number = more accurate.
It isn't based on degrees. The Laser Rifle has a 0-¦ Hipfire and ADS accuracy.
What does this number mean CCP?
The Shotgun has a rating of 34. These numbers don't seem to make any sense...
Yea, and the HMG'S Accuracy Rating is 38.99. It is rather confusing.
I appreciate everyone's hypotheses though. Of course, I'd still really like a definite answer. [hint hint blue taggers]
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Posted - 2014.02.16 19:02:00 -
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/emote drops a lazy fishing line into the forum waters and goes hunting for an elusive blue tag... "gee how long will i have to keep this up for?".
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Scheneighnay McBob
Learning Coalition College
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Posted - 2014.02.16 19:02:00 -
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It's dispersion, at the very best a gun can have. The higher the number, the better.
Last time I checked, burst HMGs were the most accurate; as they could achieve laser-like accuracy if you crouch and continuously fire.
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Thumb Green
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
787
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Posted - 2014.02.16 19:03:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:It is the hip fire accuracy. The higher the number the more acurate the hip fire.
Tbh, I'm surprised at how many people answered this thread and didn't know this?
Doesn't explain the Laser Rifle which has a ~50 something accuracy rating last I checked but is still pin-point accurate with hip fire.
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Summ Dude
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Posted - 2014.02.16 19:05:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:It's dispersion, at the very best a gun can have. The higher the number, the better.
Last time I checked, burst HMGs were the most accurate; as they could achieve laser-like accuracy if you crouch and continuously fire.
Apparently you missed the hotfix giving HMGs actual conical dispersion...
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
Legacy Rising
684
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Posted - 2014.02.16 19:05:00 -
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Well I too would like an official answer on this matter. However I have always thought that the Krin's AR felt very accurate and also stays very accurate over time, it has quite a high accuracy number. The TAC AR has a much lower number now and in hipfire its all over the place and tbh it feels to me like it has more kick while ADS than before.
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Ryme Intrinseca
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.16 19:34:00 -
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Maybe CCP should just remove this stat and replace it with range, which is something that's actually useful to know. |
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Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.16 19:39:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:All of your ideas get thrown out the window once you realize the Laser Rifle has an accuracy rating of 53.73
It isn't a percentage.
Lower number = more accurate.
It isn't based on degrees. The Laser Rifle has a 0-¦ Hipfire and ADS accuracy.
What does this number mean CCP?
The Shotgun has a rating of 34. These numbers don't seem to make any sense...
Yep definitely not dispersion.
Perhaps it's some kind of multiplier for strength of the AA system?
Also, CCP. WHY THE HELL HAVEN'T YOU GUYS ADDED A PROPER RANGE STAT YET? It really shouldn't take much more than a couple of man hours. |
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Posted - 2014.02.16 19:52:00 -
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It represents how likely CCP will nerf the gun.
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