DUST Search - [Discussion] the cloak and the logi

Godin Thekiller wrote:

Son-Of A-Gun wrote:

Heathen Bastard wrote:

as a scout, I welcome medium frames like logi's using cloaks. you'll be easier to see(you're physically larger, so more shimmer per shimmer effect will be visible) you'll have less health than I do(finally, someone does!) and, I already learned how to do stealth without it. so at this point it's just gravy for scouts to actually be invisible, instead of just mostly invisible(since people in the "good" corps rely more on their active scanners than their eyes anyways)

So, fit away, just know that you won't fool a scout.

I am simply seeking community input on the viability of "cloaked logies". And discussion on how to make them more viable if it is the community consensus that they would be UP. As I stated in the OP, I am of the opinion that there should be at least one other suit class capable of being at least simi-viable with the cloak.

Logis aren't supposed to be "stealthy". Therefore, you're going outside of it's relm of expertise, and you should suffer fititng wise to make something like this work. No, the cloak shouldn't be viable on anything but the Scout (until another medium or heavy frame comes along that is stealth oriented).

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Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 1990	Posted - 2014.02.17 07:17:00 - [31] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: It depends, the fit provided is by no means a combat/frontline logi, it might even make sense to drop the scanner for a repair tool. After playing a lot of Mass Effect 3 multiplayer you learn very quickly if you are a vanguardyou need to team up with an infiltrator. Vanguards go down ver easily, often deep in the midst of enemies and infiltrator can revive him WITHOUT taking flack. This is what essentially what this Logi can do, he can cloak through enemy lines to revive team mates in advantagoues positions. Depends if it fits your style. Buf it certainly isn't an overpowered Logi of meagadeath. Spkr4thedead: Me > AV This is why tanks are unbalanced Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2208	Posted - 2014.02.17 09:13:00 - [32] - Quote You do know medium suit base stats are changing, right? So, you're entire OP is basically pointless and irrelevant. edit - that said, if there are no slot changes to logis, I see no reason why they won't just slap on a complex CPU enhancer and still be fine to run cloaks. PLEASE FIX THIS CCP Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 411	Posted - 2014.02.17 09:14:00 - [33] - Quote Django Quik wrote: You do know medium suit base stats are changing, right? So, you're entire OP is basically pointless and irrelevant. Inb4logihpnerf 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 55	Posted - 2014.02.17 11:07:00 - [34] - Quote Ugh... OP the reason for the bonus to equipment not applying to the cloak is to prevent slayer logis just getting another buff. The cloak is intended to be used by scouts. While you "can" build a medium suit around the cloak it should come at great expense, we already have logi suits better than assault at combat, we dont need them being better at being scouts as well. "One suit to rule them all" indeed.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 510	Posted - 2014.02.17 11:14:00 - [35] - Quote I don't see why a logi will not be able to fit a cloak at all. Using mostly advanced gear with all CPU/PG reduction skills etc then I don't think it will be much of a push to fit a fantastic slayer logi. Your initial fit uses too many complex modules and equipments, dialling some down to advanced or even basic (nanite injector) would create a lot of room to breathe as far as fitting goes.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1645	Posted - 2014.02.17 13:31:00 - [36] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: as a scout, I welcome medium frames like logi's using cloaks. you'll be easier to see(you're physically larger, so more shimmer per shimmer effect will be visible) you'll have less health than I do(finally, someone does!) and, I already learned how to do stealth without it. so at this point it's just gravy for scouts to actually be invisible, instead of just mostly invisible(since people in the "good" corps rely more on their active scanners than their eyes anyways) So, fit away, just know that you won't fool a scout. I am simply seeking community input on the viability of "cloaked logies". And discussion on how to make them more viable if it is the community consensus that they would be UP. As I stated in the OP, I am of the opinion that there should be at least one other suit class capable of being at least simi-viable with the cloak. All but prototype cloaks should be viable on any suit. The standard should easily fit on any suit and be a total piece of junk. Prototype scouts should get a bonus to cloaking but that shouldn't be the only role the scout plays. I would say advanced scouts but I think you should have to put lots of SP into a really good cloaky suit. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3391	Posted - 2014.02.17 13:36:00 - [37] - Quote GALANTE LOGIS CAN ATTAIN 640CPU? WHAAAAAAAAAT!!!!! The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game. Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3401	Posted - 2014.02.17 14:36:00 - [38] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: I'm still a fan of the cloaking commando with nova knives and a plasma cannon. #Gank You could do that with a scout and be better in every way. Using a sidearm on a commando suit is stupid. The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game. Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2184	Posted - 2014.03.02 05:17:00 - [39] - Quote Cloak is primarily a scout piece of equipment. Other suits can use it but at a serious cost. Working as intendedGäó "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1847	Posted - 2014.03.02 05:29:00 - [40] - Quote I'd say thats fine. If you wanna be a ninja invisible dude, then use a Scout Suit. Logi's need to get back to being support, which I see 1.8 doing by compartmentalizing the logi's into each races equipment. tl;dr, This is good. It makes logi's forced into using their equip to actually support teammates (Keeping ammo topped, armor topped, quick respawn points, revving, albeit not all with one guy anymore), and scouts a actual advantage over other classes by having them be able to something that no other class can without sacrificing its entire fit Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.

Tectonic Fusion 1163	Posted - 2014.03.02 05:30:00 - [41] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: as a scout, I welcome medium frames like logi's using cloaks. you'll be easier to see(you're physically larger, so more shimmer per shimmer effect will be visible) you'll have less health than I do(finally, someone does!) and, I already learned how to do stealth without it. so at this point it's just gravy for scouts to actually be invisible, instead of just mostly invisible(since people in the "good" corps rely more on their active scanners than their eyes anyways) So, fit away, just know that you won't fool a scout. Actually you'll go from stealthy (no cloak, but able to see everyone and out of enemy sight) to being invisible to the terrible half blind monkeys (using the cloak). Solo Player Squad status: Locked
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1781	Posted - 2014.03.02 06:52:00 - [42] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: as a scout, I welcome medium frames like logi's using cloaks. you'll be easier to see(you're physically larger, so more shimmer per shimmer effect will be visible) you'll have less health than I do(finally, someone does!) and, I already learned how to do stealth without it. so at this point it's just gravy for scouts to actually be invisible, instead of just mostly invisible(since people in the "good" corps rely more on their active scanners than their eyes anyways) So, fit away, just know that you won't fool a scout. I am simply seeking community input on the viability of "cloaked logies". And discussion on how to make them more viable if it is the community consensus that they would be UP. As I stated in the OP, I am of the opinion that there should be at least one other suit class capable of being at least simi-viable with the cloak. Logis aren't supposed to be "stealthy". Therefore, you're going outside of it's relm of expertise, and you should suffer fititng wise to make something like this work. No, the cloak shouldn't be viable on anything but the Scout (until another medium or heavy frame comes along that is stealth oriented). I would change "shouldn't be viable" to "should be difficult to use". The standard cloak should be easy to fit but come with some fairly hardcore drawbacks, the advanced should use more resources but still be fairly useless and the prototype should be useable but not practical on anything but a stealth oriented suit. Change the shimmer effect or decloak distance on standards so that they are difficult to use but easy to fit. Making the cloak a one suit trick really limits the number of unique builds that players could use. Yes, a RR caring cloaky heavy sounds like junk or OPed or whatever words you want to put on it but we shouldn't limit players because the game is missing out every time we restrict a fit because we don't agree with. Yes I agree that prototype scouts should be about the only thing that can use a cloak well and the only suit that can use a prototype cloak but the advanced and lower should be able to be fit to any suit with the resources. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1798	Posted - 2014.03.02 09:28:00 - [43] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ok so, so far it seem that most people are ok with the sacrifices that need to be made (it may be early yet though). But what about the bar on cloak field from benefiting from the logi CPU/PG reduction skill bonus? No one has commented on this yet. As I said in my OP the difference would be 40/9 CPU/PG, and that the best upgrade to the demonstrated fitting that I could think of would be: complex cardiac regulator/proto grenade. What are your guys thoughts in this? logi's don't benefit from it; that's been confirmed already. Pay attention. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7118	Posted - 2014.03.02 09:51:00 - [44] - Quote 1. No 2. No 3. It is so that only scouts reign supreme when it comes to stealth. Logis shouldn't be able to marginalize scouts anymore like they do now. I agree with CCP on their decision. Besides, the cloak is useless for a logi anyways since most scanners will be able to pick you up and light you up like a Christmas tree even while cloaked. Scouts will excel in avoiding scanners. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Crazy Cat Lady Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 70	Posted - 2014.03.02 20:51:00 - [45] - Quote I'm certainly in favor of experimenting with a Logistics fit so the idea of using a cloak on a logi is a very interesting one. My question to you is: how are you intending to use this suit? What role will it be playing in the battle field? It seems people are assuming you are experimenting with cloaking a medium suit not using a cloak for the logi role. Is that right? I'm interested in hearing ideas on how a cloak may be used within the support role of a logi- if at all. My first thoughts are - for uplink placements or for getting to a downed team mate safely with a wiyrkomi nanite injector. However these put your uncloaked team mate at risk to some degree. Maybe you could use it for survivability when you need to make a quick escape because your squad all died? Not sure if these are worth the fitting cost though.
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3867	Posted - 2014.03.02 20:57:00 - [46] - Quote honestly, this suit wouldnt be very viable. it has little tank (my raven assault c-1 has more ehp) and has no armour rep. the cloak equipment costs are fine relative to logis. heres to hoping 1.8 is the death of the murderlogi. Scout- "I'm going to knife you my commando!!!" commando turns around Commando- "FAAAAALCCCOOONNNNN PUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!"


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