I would feel better if AVs were buffed *slightly* (not to pre-1.7 specs) but half of the gap between the damage of the pre and post-1.7 AVs should be gone. Essentially 1.8 AVs should be (pre 1.7 damage - post 1.7 damage)/2 + post 1.7 damage. Then AVs would be more viable against tanks, but other than that I agree that increasing the prices of tanks is an excellent idea, especially for militia. Care to mention any solutions to the dropship?

Good points. I agree with all of them. I thought they made tanks cheaper to deal with the proto stomp.

Well it looks like I didn't get here before the tankers, but hey ho.
The PRICE of tanks is not the problem, SPAM is not the problem.

If we put this infantry terms, ProtoSuits.
Protosuits used to be a lot more expensive, did decrease the amount of Proto pubs?
No, not really.

There are more than enough people who can now RUN A PROFIT with protosuits that they can be spammed, increasing the price will only serve to widen the gap between the HAV and HAV NOTS. If we made PROTO suits cost 3millon each, the like Nyan, TP, Eon, won't stop. If anything they will make more money.

Also 'TANK SPAM' is not really a problem. At most there can 12 tanks at a time. Which is about 37% of the total match population, now if you want you could say limit to 5 VEHICLES per team, which would make very little impact but might make some people feel better.


The real problem with Tanks is the tanks themselves, most importantly the power of them. Now for a good example of Vehicle vs Infantry balance, lets look at Titanfall.

Now you will notjce just how powerful the players Titan is, tearing through infantry like butter. But also notice how when the player comes across a titan he is capable of taking it down by himself, all it takes is a concentrated effort. This how it should be with DUST, a concentrated effort from ONE man should be enough to kill a tank. But the tank has the option of retreating earlier.

Multiple AV is used when you need rid of the tank fast, DEAD or ALIVE. But so long as 1 tank is more powerful or of more use to the team than an infantry player they will be unbalanced.

From my experience IG: A single infantryman, when properly equipped, is capable of taking down a STD tank with Proto Gun (only saying the equipment I knew the tanks have). I've been on both sides of that equation (with complex mods on my tank) and all it takes is to bring the correct tools to the battle. Some newer tools might be useful, Fused Flux grenades would be awesome...a better aiming mechanism on the comet gun..err plasma cannon. FGs, REs, and AV 'nades are currently in a good place against tanks (although I wish Proxy Mines would stick as well). Swarm launchers requires a small group (usually 3 people) to be effective against shield tanks, but work well in groups of 2 vs armor tanks...meaning that they need a buff again in both lock range(which is hopefully something planned for when they fix the draw distance issue) and sustained Damage (either through increasing damage, or increasing magazine capacity...MLT Swarms need looked at for this especially).

It's been my experience, that teams only get rolled by tanks in pups because of a lack of coordination of anyone who goes AV, and a lack of people going AV. Two FGs and 3 swarmers aren't going to take down 6 tanks without Mics...and even with comms, they aren't going to be very effective at it. If you meat tank spam, counter with AV spam of your own, if you're running in a squad with comms, leave the AI to the blueberries, and spawn in with your AV.

And no I don't use proto AV, but have taken down plenty of tanks on foot, or behind my tank...it gets kind of annoying I have to go AV or Tank Destroyer (what I've been calling damage modded MLT Rail Tanks), because I like to play support logi or DS pilot...

I don't think you are considering the AI infantry running around countering AV infantry attempts, or the tanks doing the same. I look at it like this

1 tank = 2 infantry
1 tank (hardeners active) = 3 to 4 infantry

6 tanks would equal 12 infantry + 10 actual infantry for a combined team strength of 22

As opposed to the 16.

There are problems with AV but I think we need to clear away the noise of the sheer number of tanks first. I know AV wants new toys, but that won't be happening in a timely fashion. And aside from that, tanks are not finished. Tanks are very simple and straightforward with NO VARIETY. Before Infantry get's toys, tanks need to be fully addressed and finished.

Read 1.7 patch notes, as CCP stated in them that tanks are unfinished in their current state.

One way to let the tanks stay as they are that would make DS pilots happy and I think the ground troops to is make the tiny maps we have biggerand remove redline. If the maps bigger ground troops get room to move and DS pilots can find places to hide tanks could stay as is and we would have to worries about 7 tanks on top of you. Then you could get av hunting party's just a thought

Generally i assume that you are crying about tanks, most tanks threads are QQ and wanting a nerf but the point still stands anyway

We dont have adv tanks let alone proto so cost wise 750k for std because proto tanks will be 2mil+ if we ever get them

lolambush - Cant nerf vehicles because of 1 mode

Tanks are balanced in PC

Generally anything can be OP in pubs

If tanks are in a much better place for a competitve mode then what happens when you nerf tanks for pub games? are they still balanced for the competitive gamemode?

We dont have proto hulls, only mods and turrets, we need adv/proto hulls

WP for dmg is getting added in 1.8 i think

taka, they are getting nerfed no matter what, u cant save ur precious win machines

I believe the main issue is simply militia tanks being way to powerful, along with blasters. To be killed by a railgun or missile (as infantry) requires aim, unlike blasters. I'd prefer CCP nerf militia tanks to point where they're crap, but still manageable, along with rails (as a pilot, screw rail turrets) and blasters. Blasters are just too easy and unsatisfying when running around in a tank, in my opinion, but it's always fun to kill a rail/missile tank with them, just to to prove how bad they are.

I don't even see mlt tanks anymore. Its all std tanks with proto turrets now.