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da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 307	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:42:00 - [1] - Quote For me it would be more of that link between EVE and Dust 514 , but that's just me. What do you guys think? Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1105	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:44:00 - [2] - Quote More promises that look good without any mentioning if release dates so that they can release them YEARS after they're announced.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 308	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:53:00 - [3] - Quote Joel II X wrote: More promises that look good without any mentioning if release dates so that they can release them YEARS after they're announced. they don't promise anything they just show us what would be cool Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Meknow Intaki 68	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:05:00 - [4] - Quote Something!!! Anything!!! Something about pve or Anything about a way to make more isk I'm the markets and trading =ƒÿÇ
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2525	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:08:00 - [5] - Quote Giant ******* centipedes. I GÖú Kittens.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5746	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:11:00 - [6] - Quote Realistic, achievable goals with target dates. That's all I want. Never forget May 14, 2013: Beta 2.0
HYENAKILLER X Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 589	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:16:00 - [7] - Quote People see graphics first. But the future of all fps seems to be co-op pve. Weve had decent numbers so who knows. lol maybe all we need is more cod and bf4 fail. Customization is what saves this game. Tanks are for pussies.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 548	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:17:00 - [8] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Realistic, achievable goals with target dates. That's all I want. This simply because CCP has had intentions, good ones mind you, larger than their capabilities so far with DUST. For me, SP Rollover. There isn't even any information when, where, how it will happen. On the fantasy wish list: being able to turn BPO items of the same type into a different race's version of that item. So Exile Assault Rifle into Exile Combat Rifle, Sever Minmatar Logistics Suit into Sever Amarr Logistics Suit, Toxin SMG into Toxin Bolt Pisol. One time only type thing, make it even cost AUR for all I care; I just don't want to keep having useless BPO's and want to utilize them more than make money.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 308	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:18:00 - [9] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: People see graphics first. But the future of all fps seems to be co-op pve. Weve had decent numbers so who knows. lol maybe all we need is more cod and bf4 fail. Customization is what saves this game. true..... for some people. Graphics right now are meh but they don't make games great only prettier. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2663	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:19:00 - [10] - Quote For me i want market, for the dust community they need PVE Templar BPO(325Mil) EVE Pilot I feed off your tears

da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 308	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:21:00 - [11] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: For me i want market, for the dust community they need PVE yes!! Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 175	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:22:00 - [12] - Quote -Player market or atleast let us sell assets at market for 55% of buying price -PvE -Big content drop -30v30 or 24v24 -Also i want a face
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 308	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:23:00 - [13] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: -Player market or atleast let us sell assets at market for 55% of buying price -PvE -Big content drop -30v30 or 24v24 Yes and if not all or most of these things at least one of these things would keep us occupied for some time. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
negative49er Profits Of Mayhem 504	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:26:00 - [14] - Quote keeping promises is what will save dust Dedicated Shotgun Scout and professional backstabber
Drud Green Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 223	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:27:00 - [15] - Quote Nothing, this ship has sailed.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1164	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:38:00 - [16] - Quote An admission that things went badly wrong, details of how they have got things back under control, a credible roadmap for the future, and specifics of individual changes coming up in the next release that address player concerns and that fit within the roadmap. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 308	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:39:00 - [17] - Quote Drud Green wrote: Nothing, this ship has sailed. I've had major doubts about this game for a long time( since uprising) but it's not over until fan fest Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 308	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:41:00 - [18] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: An admission that things went badly wrong, details of how they have got things back under control, a credible roadmap for the future, and specifics of individual changes coming up in the next release that address player concerns and that fit within the roadmap. that would help people dislike CCP less a bit Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 97	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:43:00 - [19] - Quote same, eve link. squad locked vehicles but that seems off the agenda now that they gave some half * fix to it u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
Enkidu Camuel Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 158	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:44:00 - [20] - Quote PVE and Player Market. Major DUST fact.

da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 308	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:46:00 - [21] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: same, eve link. squad locked vehicles but that seems off the agenda now that they gave some half * fix to it has the owner lock helped out a bit? Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1164	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:46:00 - [22] - Quote da GAND wrote: R F Gyro wrote: An admission that things went badly wrong, details of how they have got things back under control, a credible roadmap for the future, and specifics of individual changes coming up in the next release that address player concerns and that fit within the roadmap. that would help people dislike CCP less a bit CCP have the capability to fix the problems they've created for themselves with Dust. I want confidence that they will use it. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Canari Elphus Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1166	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:48:00 - [23] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: -Player market or atleast let us sell assets at market for 55% of buying price -PvE -Big content drop -30v30 or 24v24 -Also i want a face I think more players in matches (for skirmish at least) and PVE would be big winners. More people in matches allow for more diverse gamplay as you dont have to spend all your time racing from objective to objective in skirm. It will also allow for newberries to be backpacked a little more by vets so they dont get completely rolled. PVE is very important to keeping new players interested in the game. Canari Elphus for CPM1
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 485	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:50:00 - [24] - Quote What will save dust at fanfest? i don't know, more lies i guess.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 97	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:51:00 - [25] - Quote da GAND wrote: Zirzo Valcyn wrote: same, eve link. squad locked vehicles but that seems off the agenda now that they gave some half * fix to it has the owner lock helped out a bit? yes some. but the pilot becomes chained to his vehicle when he could have taken a point but risks it stolen by a blue. this does not help that part. same deal with lav u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1166	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:54:00 - [26] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: What will save dust at fanfest? i don't know, more lies i guess. There's a massive difference between a broken promise and a lie. Can you point to a single instance where a CCP employee said something they knew at the time was untrue? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 308	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:00:00 - [27] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: -Player market or atleast let us sell assets at market for 55% of buying price -PvE -Big content drop -30v30 or 24v24 -Also i want a face I think more players in matches (for skirmish at least) and PVE would be big winners. More people in matches allow for more diverse gamplay as you dont have to spend all your time racing from objective to objective in skirm. It will also allow for newberries to be backpacked a little more by vets so they dont get completely rolled. PVE is very important to keeping new players interested in the game. ya kind of tired of running around to each objective, maybe then with more players we can get bigger maps. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 308	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:02:00 - [28] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: da GAND wrote: Zirzo Valcyn wrote: same, eve link. squad locked vehicles but that seems off the agenda now that they gave some half * fix to it has the owner lock helped out a bit? yes some. but the pilot becomes chained to his vehicle when he could have taken a point but risks it stolen by a blue. this does not help that part. same deal with lav hmm well they payed attention before so maybe soon their will be a fix Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 486	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:03:00 - [29] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: What will save dust at fanfest? i don't know, more lies i guess. There's a massive difference between a broken promise and a lie. Can you point to a single instance where a CCP employee said something they knew at the time was untrue? 32vs32 players was a lie. To me a promise becomes broken after a year and it just becomes a lie there is no point in even thinking about such promise anymore.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2207	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:04:00 - [30] - Quote Dropping POS3 support.

Canari Elphus Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1168	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:05:00 - [31] - Quote da GAND wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: -Player market or atleast let us sell assets at market for 55% of buying price -PvE -Big content drop -30v30 or 24v24 -Also i want a face I think more players in matches (for skirmish at least) and PVE would be big winners. More people in matches allow for more diverse gamplay as you dont have to spend all your time racing from objective to objective in skirm. It will also allow for newberries to be backpacked a little more by vets so they dont get completely rolled. PVE is very important to keeping new players interested in the game. ya kind of tired of running around to each objective, maybe then with more players we can get bigger maps. Some of the maps are too big as they are right now. TBH, the flow of battle should be more like Manus as far as proximity with objectives on a 16v16 scenario. At least with the maps that have a 3 point central facility it has some focus of the gameplay. The new map (cant remember the name) with all 4 objectives spread out is just painful. You dont have anyone defending a point, you are just trying to get to the next objective faster than the other team. Canari Elphus for CPM1
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 385	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:15:00 - [32] - Quote LIGHTSABERS, could be amarr knives CCP DO IT! another one bites the Dust... Born as Kameira, die as Kameira, my life for the Empress!
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 309	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:20:00 - [33] - Quote Your Absolut End wrote: LIGHTSABERS, could be amarr knives CCP DO IT! ehhhh no Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 309	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:40:00 - [34] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: da GAND wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: -Player market or atleast let us sell assets at market for 55% of buying price -PvE -Big content drop -30v30 or 24v24 -Also i want a face I think more players in matches (for skirmish at least) and PVE would be big winners. More people in matches allow for more diverse gamplay as you dont have to spend all your time racing from objective to objective in skirm. It will also allow for newberries to be backpacked a little more by vets so they dont get completely rolled. PVE is very important to keeping new players interested in the game. ya kind of tired of running around to each objective, maybe then with more players we can get bigger maps. Some of the maps are too big as they are right now. TBH, the flow of battle should be more like Manus as far as proximity with objectives on a 16v16 scenario. At least with the maps that have a 3 point central facility it has some focus of the gameplay. The new map (cant remember the name) with all 4 objectives spread out is just painful. You dont have anyone defending a point, you are just trying to get to the next objective faster than the other team. I suppose right now all we can ask for is more players in each match Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 582	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:44:00 - [35] - Quote A player market should be top priority right now,as far as I'm concerned.We don't necessarily need a link to the EVE market,but at least have us trade and sell off out assets amongst ourselves. Don't know if anyone here has played the MMO Tera,but it's brokerage house works perfectly,and it's something that Dust should blatantly rip off.
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 121	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:50:00 - [36] - Quote 4 new vehicles and more game modes!!!! I think I'm the only person still waiting for mechs/giant robot killing machines..... dangCCPyourslowpickupthepace
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 582	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:55:00 - [37] - Quote thesupertman wrote: 4 new vehicles and more game modes!!!! There's not enough players to support the game modes that we already have.More game modes would mean even longer waiting times to get into matches.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 309	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:00:00 - [38] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: A player market should be top priority right now,as far as I'm concerned.We don't necessarily need a link to the EVE market,but at least have us trade and sell off out assets amongst ourselves. Don't know if anyone here has played the MMO Tera,but it's brokerage house works perfectly,and it's something that Dust should blatantly rip off. indeed the player market is what will make this game feel more like an MMO-FPS Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1175	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:01:00 - [39] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: R F Gyro wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: What will save dust at fanfest? i don't know, more lies i guess. There's a massive difference between a broken promise and a lie. Can you point to a single instance where a CCP employee said something they knew at the time was untrue? 32vs32 players was a lie. To me a promise becomes broken after a year and it just becomes a lie there is no point in even thinking about such promise anymore. Have you never said "I'll be there in 5 minutes", been delayed and turned up after 10? If you have, was that a lie? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 309	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:01:00 - [40] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: thesupertman wrote: 4 new vehicles and more game modes!!!! There's not enough players to support the game modes that we already have.More game modes would mean even longer waiting times to get into matches. or instead why not replace some of the game modes that we have such as skirmish 2.0 with skirmish 3.0? Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.

FarQue FromAfar Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 11	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:02:00 - [41] - Quote How about delivering just 1 thing that will make this game different from a boring shooter... There is no link to eve, no player market, no pve, same maps, stale game modes, and SoonTM is pure BS.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 309	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:03:00 - [42] - Quote FarQue FromAfar wrote: How about delivering just 1 thing that will make this game different from a boring shooter... There is no link to eve, no player market, no pve, same maps, stale game modes, and SoonTM is pure BS. exactly Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1247	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:16:00 - [43] - Quote da GAND wrote: For me it would be more of that link between EVE and Dust 514 , but that's just me. What do you guys think? If they CUT days off!! Got to WORK instead of goofoff time December 15th to Februrary 10th? then hey!! its Fanfest time so lets plan how many more days off can be planned?? Tank 514 is toast once I get my hands on a PS4 and some PS4 games in June. Sorry bro. Time to bail in a few months. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 310	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:41:00 - [44] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: da GAND wrote: For me it would be more of that link between EVE and Dust 514 , but that's just me. What do you guys think? If they CUT days off!! Got to WORK instead of goofoff time December 15th to Februrary 10th? then hey!! its Fanfest time so lets plan how many more days off can be planned?? Tank 514 is toast once I get my hands on a PS4 and some PS4 games in June. Sorry bro. Time to bail in a few months. yup I'm not planning on getting the ps4 anytime soon but I'm gonna get destiny for the ps3. As long as there are people online playing with the ps3 I'll stick with it. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 312	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:12:00 - [45] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: Something!!! Anything!!! Something about pve or Anything about a way to make more isk I'm the markets and trading =ƒÿÇ I understand how it feels right now wanting CCP to get it together and show that progress has been made. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1252	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:20:00 - [46] - Quote da GAND wrote: Meknow Intaki wrote: Something!!! Anything!!! Something about pve or Anything about a way to make more isk I'm the markets and trading =ƒÿÇ I understand how it feels right now wanting CCP to get it together and show that progress has been made. Even a simple : "hey folks! we will redo vehicle limits or have a vehicle free ambush in 1.8" Or "we will slow tanks down and look at the constant running hardner problem" Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 316	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:21:00 - [47] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: da GAND wrote: Meknow Intaki wrote: Something!!! Anything!!! Something about pve or Anything about a way to make more isk I'm the markets and trading =ƒÿÇ I understand how it feels right now wanting CCP to get it together and show that progress has been made. Even a simple : "hey folks! we will redo vehicle limits or have a vehicle free ambush in 1.8" Or "we will slow tanks down and look at the constant running hardner problem" saying that they're going to do something and actually doing something is completely different. I wanna see these improvements not just talk about them. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1253	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:35:00 - [48] - Quote da GAND wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: da GAND wrote: Meknow Intaki wrote: Something!!! Anything!!! Something about pve or Anything about a way to make more isk I'm the markets and trading =ƒÿÇ I understand how it feels right now wanting CCP to get it together and show that progress has been made. Even a simple : "hey folks! we will redo vehicle limits or have a vehicle free ambush in 1.8" Or "we will slow tanks down and look at the constant running hardner problem" saying that they're going to do something and actually doing something is completely different. I wanna see these improvements not just talk about them. AGREED. Thats why in June I want to play Warframe, Planetside 2, Blacklight and a bit later Deep Down , Destiny, The Witcher 3, Borderlands 3, Fallout 4, and 100 more PS4 games. I am tired of hearing PROMISES and seeing a full bag of NOTHING as far as results for Dust 514. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 193	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:45:00 - [49] - Quote On top of market, more players, et cetera, I'd like to see the rest of New Eden opened up for PC. If a corp has Eve support to transport them and can find a planet nobody owns, let 'em take it, or if an Eve corp owns it already, make 'em finally have to hire us to defend/attack it. That was one of the fundamental ideas underlying Dust's development, was it not? Throw a big, fat wrench into PI and make it more substantial? Let us be real mercs and make PC meaningful beyond being a pretty little isk farm for the corps who either got there first and/or are exploiting the mechanics to lock everyone else out. Also, I still want proper procedurally generated maps. :^(
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 9	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:46:00 - [50] - Quote I dunno, I think sea turtles would be a good addition. Those little guys have to storm the beaches of Normandy in reverse as soon as their born. Or maybe they could make it so that, if you run out of dropships and lack the ISK to buy more, you die in real life. That would add some extra strategy for new players to strive towards. Unleash the Fogwoggler

da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 319	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:50:00 - [51] - Quote The Eristic wrote: On top of market, more players, et cetera, I'd like to see the rest of New Eden opened up for PC. If a corp has Eve support to transport them and can find a planet nobody owns, let 'em take it, or if an Eve corp owns it already, make 'em finally have to hire us to defend/attack it. That was one of the fundamental ideas underlying Dust's development, was it not? Throw a big, fat wrench into PI and make it more substantial? Let us be real mercs and make PC meaningful beyond being a pretty little isk farm for the corps who either got there first and/or are exploiting the mechanics to lock everyone else out. Also, I still want proper procedurally generated maps. :^( Don't care much for PC because it just seems like a laggy, expensive version of skirmish. But yes they should open up the rest of New Eden however they do need to work on PC mechanics u know with the whole locking down district thing and whatever other problems there are. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 476	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:55:00 - [52] - Quote a reworked skirmish game mode.
Debacle Nano BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 706	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:55:00 - [53] - Quote Another trailer that shows absolutely no true gameplay. Closed beta anyone?
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 935	Posted - 2014.02.15 23:13:00 - [54] - Quote By far the most important thing for the long term growth of this game is building a phenomenal NPE. I think the easiest low-hanging fruit is more militia fittings in the academy so players get a sense of the depth/variety available, as well as the option to join a 2nd tier of academy matches up to some threshold (where they can have a decently competive fit for pubs, and not stomp others in the second tier matches. Eventually I would like to see a polished, story-driven tutorial with humor and intense action to immediately engage new players and to "sell" the game's features. This would replace the initial academy. There are plenty of other important areas to work on too of course. As for PvE, read the tread in my signature for how it could be implemented in an amazing way that would do a lot to bring DUST and EVE together. Also: CCP better have some models of the Amarr and Minmatar vehicles/turrets, and hopefully a couple more heavy weapons. Best PvE idea ever!
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 319	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:04:00 - [55] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: By far the most important thing for the long term growth of this game is building a phenomenal NPE. I think the easiest low-hanging fruit is more militia fittings in the academy so players get a sense of the depth/variety available, as well as the option to join a 2nd tier of academy matches up to some threshold (where they can have a decently competive fit for pubs, and not stomp others in the second tier matches. Eventually I would like to see a polished, story-driven tutorial with humor and intense action to immediately engage new players and to "sell" the game's features. This would replace the initial academy. There are plenty of other important areas to work on too of course. As for PvE, read the tread in my signature for how it could be implemented in an amazing way that would do a lot to bring DUST and EVE together. Also: CCP better have some models of the Amarr and Minmatar vehicles/turrets, and hopefully a couple more heavy weapons. Completely agree with the NPE. Back in th chromosome build I had no idea what I was doing until I joined up with a corp. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1214	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:45:00 - [56] - Quote A player market and trading system fundamentally makes this different from any shooter out there on console.. Also makes the personal Character experience feel complete.. Mix that in with PC 2.0 and this game could be amazing.. ASLONG as PC is accessible for all motivated competitive Mercenaries it could be the social bridge to keep people engaged and invested into the outcomes. We then add in the Minmatar and Amarrian Vehicles and Heavy Weapons and we are starting to get a very complete package. ASLONG as the core mechanics continue to be improved upon. Frame Rates above almost anything need the most improvement how ever not new and exciting that may be for some it ruins so much immersion in a true player versus player experience... Feels like a poor person trying to play a new Computer game on my 4 year old system.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 319	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:48:00 - [57] - Quote Bethhy wrote: A player market and trading system fundamentally makes this different from any shooter out there on console.. Also makes the personal Character experience feel complete.. Mix that in with PC 2.0 and this game could be amazing.. ASLONG as PC is accessible for all motivated competitive Mercenaries it could be the social bridge to keep people engaged and invested into the outcomes. We then add in the Minmatar and Amarrian Vehicles and Heavy Weapons and we are starting to get a very complete package. ASLONG as the core mechanics continue to be improved upon. Frame Rates above almost anything need to most improvement how ever not new and exciting that may be for some it ruins so much immersion in a true player versus player experience... Feel like a poor person trying to play a new Computer game on my 4 year old system. Player market seems to be coming up a lot in these responses, and the point u made where this makes it different than any other shooter is true. That's most likely where it'll start to feel more like an MMO. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1214	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:55:00 - [58] - Quote da GAND wrote: Bethhy wrote: A player market and trading system fundamentally makes this different from any shooter out there on console.. Also makes the personal Character experience feel complete.. Mix that in with PC 2.0 and this game could be amazing.. ASLONG as PC is accessible for all motivated competitive Mercenaries it could be the social bridge to keep people engaged and invested into the outcomes. We then add in the Minmatar and Amarrian Vehicles and Heavy Weapons and we are starting to get a very complete package. ASLONG as the core mechanics continue to be improved upon. Frame Rates above almost anything need to most improvement how ever not new and exciting that may be for some it ruins so much immersion in a true player versus player experience... Feel like a poor person trying to play a new Computer game on my 4 year old system. Player market seems to be coming up a lot in these responses, and the point u made where this makes it different than any other shooter is true. That's most likely where it'll start to feel more like an MMO. Well it goes from the new player in DUST buying something he/she didn't want and having the ability to engage the market and sell it back. To the Average casual Dust Mercenary who is selling old overbought items, Running FW to sell rare items, trading officer weapons for ones that work better for their gameplay. To the Market Lovers who log on to run the market purely and buy sell and trade, make Aurum purchases and sell stuff.. This is where CCP will see Aurum Store really start to be utilized by players, and sales I believe really start to reflect their investment they have put into this game.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 321	Posted - 2014.02.16 04:20:00 - [59] - Quote Bethhy wrote: da GAND wrote: Bethhy wrote: A player market and trading system fundamentally makes this different from any shooter out there on console.. Also makes the personal Character experience feel complete.. Mix that in with PC 2.0 and this game could be amazing.. ASLONG as PC is accessible for all motivated competitive Mercenaries it could be the social bridge to keep people engaged and invested into the outcomes. We then add in the Minmatar and Amarrian Vehicles and Heavy Weapons and we are starting to get a very complete package. ASLONG as the core mechanics continue to be improved upon. Frame Rates above almost anything need to most improvement how ever not new and exciting that may be for some it ruins so much immersion in a true player versus player experience... Feel like a poor person trying to play a new Computer game on my 4 year old system. Player market seems to be coming up a lot in these responses, and the point u made where this makes it different than any other shooter is true. That's most likely where it'll start to feel more like an MMO. Well it goes from the new player in DUST buying something he/she didn't want and having the ability to engage the market and sell it back. To the Average casual Dust Mercenary who is selling old overbought items, Running FW to sell rare items, trading officer weapons for ones that work better for their gameplay. To the Market Lovers who log on to run the market purely and buy sell and trade, make Aurum purchases and sell stuff.. This is where CCP will see the Aurum Store really start to be utilized by players, and sales I believe will really start to reflect CCP's investment they have put into this game. interesting I wonder how much isk I'll make off the aurum items I have stocked up , anyways yes the market would open up plenty of other options for players to log in yes. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 321	Posted - 2014.02.16 05:41:00 - [60] - Quote bump because I would still like to know what others think would save this game at fanfest Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.

Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1751	Posted - 2014.02.16 05:42:00 - [61] - Quote Tiericide PVE Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 321	Posted - 2014.02.16 05:44:00 - [62] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Tiericide PVE What's Tiericide? Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1228	Posted - 2014.02.16 06:53:00 - [63] - Quote Actual sh*t they are about to put in the game rather than fancy movies of vaporware. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1228	Posted - 2014.02.16 06:54:00 - [64] - Quote da GAND wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Tiericide PVE What's Tiericide? I believe that is an old, old wooden battleship used during the Civil War era. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 324	Posted - 2014.02.16 07:05:00 - [65] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Actual sh*t they are about to put in the game rather than fancy movies of vaporware. Yes exactly when we were shown the rest of the suits were like excited and when they brought up fighting in titans we were excited about that too. What made us mostly excited was that it looked like we were going to get that very soon. Not nearly a year later like right now. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 623	Posted - 2014.02.16 07:31:00 - [66] - Quote "We're moving Dust 514 to PC!" Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole
NewOldMan KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 61	Posted - 2014.02.16 13:06:00 - [67] - Quote I want PVE, player market, and most importantly PS4 version. I know a lot of people may think that its too soon to go to PS4, but a lot of the problems that are coming out of development are the technical limitations. Want 32v32, higher framerate, drones, fighter craft? They can't really do a lot of that with the techs the ps3 is putting out. At least not easily. So I just think that upgrading would ease the performance barrier. But on the flipside would they even have a playerbase by the time it would be deployed? They really need something CONCRETE, not just announcing something and getting us all excited. With our hopes being dashed when its a year later and nothing has happened. I want a concrete timeframe for some actual changes. like PC 2.0. And for the love of god they need to stop going on some vacation every other week.
The Attorney General 1971	Posted - 2014.02.16 13:33:00 - [68] - Quote da GAND wrote: Drud Green wrote: Nothing, this ship has sailed. I've had major doubts about this game for a long time( since uprising) but it's not over until fan fest I honestly think it was over when Uprising was such a turd. Any goodwill CCP had built up went right out the window with that build. I don't expect this game to be anything resembling what ws promised for some years to come, and by then, most of the people who had ardent commitment to the game will give up and move on to other things. Without PC to keep me interested, I am barely logging on to cap out my main. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 324	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:09:00 - [69] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: da GAND wrote: Drud Green wrote: Nothing, this ship has sailed. I've had major doubts about this game for a long time( since uprising) but it's not over until fan fest I honestly think it was over when Uprising was such a turd. Any goodwill CCP had built up went right out the window with that build. I don't expect this game to be anything resembling what ws promised for some years to come, and by then, most of the people who had ardent commitment to the game will give up and move on to other things. Without PC to keep me interested, I am barely logging on to cap out my main. I know exactly how u feel, I took a break after the 1.4 update because it was obvious that the game wasn't going to actually change for a very very long time. I didn't miss this game at all, I kept up with the news though by following CEO Pyrex and Bamm Havoc on youtube. Came back a week after 1.7 was released because of the new rifles and the little changes to FW. A week later and I've went through both rifles and saw how the lp store worked. I'm giving CCP one more chance before I delete this game from my ps3 permanently. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2978	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:36:00 - [70] - Quote Joel II X wrote: More promises that look good without any mentioning if release dates so that they can release them YEARS after they're announced. Usually never, tbh.

da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 325	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:58:00 - [71] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Joel II X wrote: More promises that look good without any mentioning if release dates so that they can release them YEARS after they're announced. Usually never, tbh. no doubt it seems that way right now Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 592	Posted - 2014.02.16 16:27:00 - [72] - Quote Actually,it just came to me.The single best news that CCP could announce at FanFest is, "CCP is proud to announce that we have passed on our development duties to DICE[or insert your favorite FPS developer],and we will just take more of a directorial and creative role".,or something to that effect.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 326	Posted - 2014.02.16 16:31:00 - [73] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Actually,it just came to me.The single best news that CCP could announce at FanFest is, "CCP is proud to announce that we have passed on our development duties to DICE[or insert your favorite FPS developer],and we will just take more of a directorial and creative role".,or something to that effect. ahahahah half of that is a good thing and half of that is a bad thing, I'm sure they'll use that amazing frostbite engine but you know DICE is still trying to fix BF4, their working on Battlefront 3, with all that going on I think they would take longer than CCP is to make this game great. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Silas Swakhammer GamersForChrist Orion Empire 360	Posted - 2014.02.16 16:40:00 - [74] - Quote moar puppies plz Pineapples on pizza.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 593	Posted - 2014.02.16 16:54:00 - [75] - Quote da GAND wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: Actually,it just came to me.The single best news that CCP could announce at FanFest is, "CCP is proud to announce that we have passed on our development duties to DICE[or insert your favorite FPS developer],and we will just take more of a directorial and creative role".,or something to that effect. ahahahah half of that is a good thing and half of that is a bad thing, I'm sure they'll use that amazing frostbite engine but you know DICE is still trying to fix BF4, their working on Battlefront 3, with all that going on I think they would take longer than CCP is to make this game great. Like I said,it doesn't necessarily have to be DICE.It could be anyone that has made a competent shooter within the past five years.Treyarch,343,DICE,Crytek,Infinity Ward,Bungie,Epic,hell,anyone that half way understands about shooting mechanics and in game physics that apply to shooters would be better than CCP right now.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 327	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:02:00 - [76] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: da GAND wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: Actually,it just came to me.The single best news that CCP could announce at FanFest is, "CCP is proud to announce that we have passed on our development duties to DICE[or insert your favorite FPS developer],and we will just take more of a directorial and creative role".,or something to that effect. ahahahah half of that is a good thing and half of that is a bad thing, I'm sure they'll use that amazing frostbite engine but you know DICE is still trying to fix BF4, their working on Battlefront 3, with all that going on I think they would take longer than CCP is to make this game great. Like I said,it doesn't necessarily have to be DICE.It could be anyone that has made a competent shooter within the past five years.Treyarch,343,DICE,Crytek,Infinity Ward,Bungie,Epic,hell,anyone that half way understands about shooting mechanics and in game physics that apply to shooters would be better than CCP right now. I see and I agree , I've had more fun playing bf4 in one day than all my time with dust 514 ( more than a year and a half). But when the day is over I know that bf4 is another lobby shooter, a fun lobby shooter but just a game meant to be a lobby shooter. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1267	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:15:00 - [77] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Realistic, achievable goals with target dates. That's all I want. For me, SP Rollover. There isn't even any information when, where, how it will happen. On the fantasy wish list: being able to turn BPO items of the same type into a different race's version of that item. So Exile Assault Rifle into Exile Combat Rifle, Sever Minmatar Logistics Suit into Sever Amarr Logistics Suit, Toxin SMG into Toxin Bolt Pisol. One time only type thing, make it even cost AUR for all I care; I just don't want to keep having useless BPO's and want to utilize them more than make money. This is one of you favorite small things from the wish list. I really hope that this doesn't fall by the wayside. And I really hope that this gets done really soon. It would really set quit a few things, in my mind, about this game, strait. Things that kinda **** me off at the moment. This really needs to happen. {:)}{3GÇó>
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 327	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:27:00 - [78] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Realistic, achievable goals with target dates. That's all I want. For me, SP Rollover. There isn't even any information when, where, how it will happen. On the fantasy wish list: being able to turn BPO items of the same type into a different race's version of that item. So Exile Assault Rifle into Exile Combat Rifle, Sever Minmatar Logistics Suit into Sever Amarr Logistics Suit, Toxin SMG into Toxin Bolt Pisol. One time only type thing, make it even cost AUR for all I care; I just don't want to keep having useless BPO's and want to utilize them more than make money. This is one of my favorite small things from the wish list. I really hope that this doesn't fall by the wayside. And I really hope that this gets done really soon. It would really set quit a few things, in my mind, about this game, strait. Things that kinda **** me off at the moment. This really needs to happen. This would be interesting to see, if this was an option for players maybe it would require some kind of crafting skill or something like that lol and might just cost quite a lot of isk to do. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 502	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:32:00 - [79] - Quote In order for Dust to continue existing it needs PvE and a player market. PvE will keep people interested whilst the player market will allow for growth in terms of Dust's economy. The player fuelled economy will likely include aurum, and people will buy aurum to spend it on the things they want like second hand BPO's and the like. Mainly though, without PvE, this game will not last the year.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 327	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:35:00 - [80] - Quote RINON114 wrote: In order for Dust to continue existing it needs PvE and a player market. PvE will keep people interested whilst the player market will allow for growth in terms of Dust's economy. The player fuelled economy will likely include aurum, and people will buy aurum to spend it on the things they want like second hand BPO's and the like. Mainly though, without PvE, this game will not last the year. Been waiting for PVE since 2012!!! Yes PVE would be great right now, maybe some NPC forces in FW assisting in a defense or an attack with the players. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.

Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1269	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:38:00 - [81] - Quote da GAND wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Realistic, achievable goals with target dates. That's all I want. For me, SP Rollover. There isn't even any information when, where, how it will happen. On the fantasy wish list: being able to turn BPO items of the same type into a different race's version of that item. So Exile Assault Rifle into Exile Combat Rifle, Sever Minmatar Logistics Suit into Sever Amarr Logistics Suit, Toxin SMG into Toxin Bolt Pisol. One time only type thing, make it even cost AUR for all I care; I just don't want to keep having useless BPO's and want to utilize them more than make money. This is one of my favorite small things from the wish list. I really hope that this doesn't fall by the wayside. And I really hope that this gets done really soon. It would really set quit a few things, in my mind, about this game, strait. Things that kinda **** me off at the moment. This really needs to happen. This would be interesting to see, if this was an option for players maybe it would require some kind of crafting skill or something like that lol and might just cost quite a lot of isk to do. This is actually something the DEVs are considering doing. Look at the forth post here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133585&find=unread The original thread is called "Swapping BPO Suit Race for AUR" click the link in the forth post and go to CPM Nova Knife's original thread about it. Comment in the tread so that it stays bumped and the DEVs can see that this is something that we want. {:)}{3GÇó>
Pistol Pete StrikesAgain Expert Intervention Caldari State 6	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:40:00 - [82] - Quote Pistols Lots and lots of pistols! Shuddup before I pistol whip your a$$!
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 327	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:55:00 - [83] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: da GAND wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Realistic, achievable goals with target dates. That's all I want. For me, SP Rollover. There isn't even any information when, where, how it will happen. On the fantasy wish list: being able to turn BPO items of the same type into a different race's version of that item. So Exile Assault Rifle into Exile Combat Rifle, Sever Minmatar Logistics Suit into Sever Amarr Logistics Suit, Toxin SMG into Toxin Bolt Pisol. One time only type thing, make it even cost AUR for all I care; I just don't want to keep having useless BPO's and want to utilize them more than make money. This is one of my favorite small things from the wish list. I really hope that this doesn't fall by the wayside. And I really hope that this gets done really soon. It would really set quit a few things, in my mind, about this game, strait. Things that kinda **** me off at the moment. This really needs to happen. This would be interesting to see, if this was an option for players maybe it would require some kind of crafting skill or something like that lol and might just cost quite a lot of isk to do. This is actually something the DEVs are considering doing. Look at the forth post here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133585&find=unread The original thread is called "Swapping BPO Suit Race for AUR" click the link in the forth post and go to CPM Nova Knife's original thread about it. Comment in the tread so that it stays bumped and the DEVs can see that this is something that we want. Alright I bumped it but since they have it already in the suggestions and feedback area not sure how long we have to keep bumping it for. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 298	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:16:00 - [84] - Quote PVE
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 327	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:27:00 - [85] - Quote Pistol Pete StrikesAgain wrote: Pistols Lots and lots of pistols! So I assume you use side arms as your primary most of the time? Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 327	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:39:00 - [86] - Quote lordjanuz wrote: PVE yup the long overdue PVE Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Dheez Kinsho Swords Caldari State 70	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:06:00 - [87] - Quote da GAND wrote: For me it would be more of that link between EVE and Dust 514 , but that's just me. What do you guys think? Serve obscene amounts of Alcoholic Drinks and talk about this and other imaginary Ideas that may or may not make it into fruition.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 329	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:07:00 - [88] - Quote Dheez wrote: da GAND wrote: For me it would be more of that link between EVE and Dust 514 , but that's just me. What do you guys think? Serve obscene amounts of Alcoholic Drinks and talk about this and other imaginary Ideas that may or may not make it into fruition. lolz isn't it like that at every fan fest supposedly ? Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1584	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:17:00 - [89] - Quote I think it's pretty simple. What i feel would work best in our situation is for CCP to clearly step up and take responsibility for what has happened with DUST development, educates us a little and explain how the situation evolved like it did and finish up with some take-away lessons and observations that CCP-as-a-developer has gleaned from the experience. Then move on to the plan to make things right. After a bit of context and discussion of priorities and how they're approaching moving DUST forward CCP should deliver to the playerbase Rouge's detailed and realistic roadmap. Some may say that what i'm asking for is unrealistic, but most of us have had life experiences that tells us how my suggested course of action would play out: a reinvestment in DUST by the playerbase, past and present. There is a caveat, though. At this point for all concerned parties words won't be enough. There has to be content delivered, most wisely in 1.8, that demonstrates CCP has clearly seen the problems and has what it takes to solve them in the short-to-medium term. They will need that proof-of-credibility to get peeps back onboard, imo. The painfully wrong-headed approach would be to market to their audience of 2-year beta testers, and pile on more talk of big features without addressing the fundamental problems facing DUST. That would most likely be the end of the road for yours truly - sometimes love is unrequited. I support SP rollover.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 330	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:22:00 - [90] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: I think it's pretty simple. What i feel would work best in our situation is for CCP to clearly step up and take responsibility for what has happened with DUST development, educates us a little and explain how the situation evolved like it did and finish up with some take-away lessons and observations that CCP-as-a-developer has gleaned from the experience. Then move on to the plan to make things right. After a bit of context and discussion of priorities and how they're approaching moving DUST forward CCP should deliver to the playerbase Rouge's detailed and realistic roadmap. Some may say that what i'm asking for is unrealistic, but most of us have had life experiences that tells us how my suggested course of action would play out: a reinvestment in DUST by the playerbase, past and present. There is a caveat, though. At this point for all concerned parties words won't be enough. There has to be content delivered, most wisely in 1.8, that demonstrates CCP has clearly seen the problems and has what it takes to solve them in the short-to-medium term. They will need that proof-of-credibility to get peeps back onboard, imo. The painfully wrong-headed approach would be to market to their audience of 2-year beta testers, and pile on more talk of big features without addressing the fundamental problems facing DUST. That would most likely be the end of the road for yours truly - sometimes love is unrequited. yes yes yes especially with the last paragraph, CCP talking about what they can do and are working on isn't enough at this point. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.

Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 506	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:22:00 - [91] - Quote New map/level designer introductions A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 685	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:36:00 - [92] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: thesupertman wrote: 4 new vehicles and more game modes!!!! There's not enough players to support the game modes that we already have.More game modes would mean even longer waiting times to get into matches. I know one game mode that will always be full - Ambush Infantry only.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 330	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:42:00 - [93] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: thesupertman wrote: 4 new vehicles and more game modes!!!! There's not enough players to support the game modes that we already have.More game modes would mean even longer waiting times to get into matches. I know one game mode that will always be full - Ambush Infantry only. it most likely will lol Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 336	Posted - 2014.02.16 20:20:00 - [94] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Dropping POS3 support. Not a good idea, right now but eventually they will have to leave the ps3 and get going with the ps4. Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 336	Posted - 2014.02.16 20:35:00 - [95] - Quote bumpy bump Don't make it easy for them, take a few down with you.


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