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JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.02.15 16:44:00 -
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Some one try to prove me wrong.
Caldari Loyalist
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
IMMORTAL REGIME
851
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Posted - 2014.02.15 16:46:00 -
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Imma try to prove you right! in a way, they buff you're shields/armor to 22k
Assassination is my thing.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
4207
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Posted - 2014.02.15 16:46:00 -
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True that. Makes it really hard to kill tanks because the second you sneak on them they pull on hardeners and boost out of there with there fuel injectors.
My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity
And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
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Awry Barux
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
Zero-Day
600
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Posted - 2014.02.15 16:49:00 -
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Copy-pasted from my PSA:
2x complex armor hardener + core skills IV (the +duration and -cooldown ones) = perma-hardened Madrugar with room for a repper.
"Waves of opportunity" that is not. |
JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
89
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Posted - 2014.02.15 16:54:00 -
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All you need are some enhanced hardeners fuel injector and your op
Caldari Loyalist
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
661
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Posted - 2014.02.15 16:55:00 -
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Limit one hardener per vehicle. Boom.
Best PVE idea I've seen.
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
863
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:09:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:All you need are some enhanced hardeners fuel injector and your op
All you need are militia hardeners.
Alena Ventrallis wrote:Limit one hardener per vehicle. Boom.
That's not as big of a deal as the efficacy of militia hardeners. A second hardener on a shield tank takes damage reduction from 60% to 80%. While an extra 20% makes a big difference the biggest problem is that you can get that 80% by fitting basic modules. Which means you don't have to make sacrifices elsewhere. If only complex mods offered that kind of reduction it would make fitting a tank much more balanced so that strengths could be offset by weaknesses. Right now the only weakness is cooldown time which is idiotic.
Good Advice
Grey 17 should have stayed missing.
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Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
560
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:29:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:Some one try to prove me wrong.
This is the second post that I've read in the past five minutes where the OP asks everyone else to do work. How about you prove your point instead, since you started a thread?
I contribute nothing.
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Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
95
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:04:00 -
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maybe they should add a weapon that is only effective vs activated hardeners lol, or take the existing plasma cannon and modify it to have bonus vs hardener
at least that tank fit takes a crap ton of sp
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
3116
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:10:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:Some one try to prove me wrong.
They're OP at making armour tankers overlook the effectiveness of stacked reps.
No.
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
684
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:11:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:True that. Makes it really hard to kill tanks because the second you sneak on them they pull on hardeners and boost out of there with there fuel injectors.
its really weird. It seems like they planned it that way. Its a conspiracy.
Who wants some?
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1825
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:26:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:Some one try to prove me wrong.
lolwut
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1825
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:27:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:True that. Makes it really hard to kill tanks because the second you sneak on them they pull on hardeners and boost out of there with there fuel injectors.
So tanks aren't allowed to have anything that makes them harder to kill?
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1825
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:28:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Copy-pasted from my PSA:
2x complex armor hardener + core skills IV (the +duration and -cooldown ones) = perma-hardened Madrugar with room for a repper.
"Waves of opportunity" that is not.
Complex armor hardeners? lolwut? We can't fit those.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1825
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:29:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Limit one hardener per vehicle. Boom.
lolno
We don't tell you how to fit out your suits. Don't tell us how we can fit our vehicles.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Awry Barux
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
Zero-Day
613
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:39:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Copy-pasted from my PSA:
2x complex armor hardener + core skills IV (the +duration and -cooldown ones) = perma-hardened Madrugar with room for a repper.
"Waves of opportunity" that is not. Complex armor hardeners? lolwut? We can't fit those.
I didn't know this was possible until I saw it being discussed as a recommended fit in the rookie training grounds. IIRC, they said it still leaves room for an ADV blaster turret, ADV repper and a STD nitro.
Don't lie. |
JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
92
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Posted - 2014.02.15 22:35:00 -
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Arx Ardashir wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:Some one try to prove me wrong. This is the second post that I've read in the past five minutes where the OP asks everyone else to do work. How about you prove your point instead, since you started a thread?
Hardeners (basic,millitia) are OP because the amount of damage they can take. There only weakness is cooldown. and They have no stacking penalty
Caldari Loyalist
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
661
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Posted - 2014.02.15 22:51:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Limit one hardener per vehicle. Boom. lolno We don't tell you how to fit out your suits. Don't tell us how we can fit our vehicles.
Scouts, or any suit really, cannot fit more than one cloak why is a tank and hardeners any different? Why is invisibility> invincibility?
I wouldn't mind stacked, or cycled, hardeners if we had a way to force them into cooldown but we don't. In the very least we need EMP grenades/mines that shut down modules.
AV is just so lacking in the game, it may not need more damage but needs secondary items like webs and emps. "Windows of Opportunity" was a terrible balancing mechanic. |
Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
729
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Posted - 2014.02.15 22:53:00 -
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They last 30 seconds and have a minute cool down |
Jacques Cayton II
Providence Guard
Templis CALSF
601
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Posted - 2014.02.15 22:57:00 -
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hardeners are op
We fight for the future of the State not our
personal goals
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Scheneighnay McBob
Learning Coalition College
4044
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Posted - 2014.02.15 23:16:00 -
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Zirzo Valcyn wrote:maybe they should add a weapon that is only effective vs activated hardeners lol, or take the existing plasma cannon and modify it to have bonus vs hardener
at least that tank fit takes a crap ton of sp
While they definitely need to be nerfed, this gives me an idea.
Why not some type of e-war equipment/module that speeds up the cycle time of active mods (As in, they don't last as long), and messes with infantry stamina?
I am your scan error.
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Sir Snugglz
Red Star.
EoN.
403
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Posted - 2014.02.15 23:18:00 -
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I laugh as I pop hardened tanks... so they want to die slower, ok, the more I can make them suffer and fear me.
-Luck is just one of my skills
Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1905
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Posted - 2014.02.15 23:22:00 -
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Turned on 2 shield hardener on my sica survived an orbital and a swarm. Not OP.
For the Federation!
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
41
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Posted - 2014.02.16 14:25:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:Some one try to prove me wrong.
Yeah man, I'm tired of having to pay when I tie up Gallente Logis and run them over.
Unleash the Fogwoggler
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JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.02.16 14:27:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Turned on 2 shield hardener on my sica survived an orbital and a swarm. Not OP.
Lol yep clearly
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
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Posted - 2014.02.16 14:35:00 -
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lol
Unfortunately for OP he's not Alldin Kan.
Also unfortunately for him, Alldin's usage, to which OP is undoubtedly alluding, was to point out an exceedingly effective combination of two otherwise useless items.
Be original next time, OP.
Also, hardeners aren't OP.
Shield hardener stacking is OP. The only thing a perma hardened Madrugar is beating is a weak blaster.
No reps + poor resists = dies to rails or forges.
Forge on for great justice!
Defend the meek! Destroy the weak!
Q-sync breaches into the rectum of everyone else!
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1416
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Posted - 2014.02.16 14:52:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:Some one try to prove me wrong.
gunnlogi without a hardener is a dead gunnlogi... gunnlogis are hopelessly bad without hardners
GÇ£The universe is a big place, perhaps the biggest.GÇ¥ ~ Kurt Vonnegut
Ko6, scout.
CLOSED BETA VET
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The Terminator T-1000
Skynet Incorporated
111
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Posted - 2014.02.16 14:57:00 -
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Everthing is OP |
JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
107
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Posted - 2014.02.16 15:01:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:Some one try to prove me wrong. gunnlogi without a hardener is a dead gunnlogi... gunnlogis are hopelessly bad without hardners
A gun logi that knows when to fall back is a smart gunlogi. Any thing else?
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
273
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Posted - 2014.02.16 15:24:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Copy-pasted from my PSA:
2x complex armor hardener + core skills IV (the +duration and -cooldown ones) = perma-hardened Madrugar with room for a repper.
"Waves of opportunity" that is not. Complex armor hardeners? lolwut? We can't fit those. I didn't know this was possible until I saw it being discussed as a recommended fit in the rookie training grounds. IIRC, they said it still leaves room for an ADV blaster turret, ADV repper and a STD nitro. Don't lie.
Well, with no points into Large Turrets, I can fit 2 Complex Hardners, Advanced Repper, Standard Injector, and a Basic Federation Blaster with enough CPU and PG, so, apparently the king of tanks isn't as well informed as he thought.
Note, an Advanced Blaster would knock me over by 20 CPU, but with about 3 levels of fitting optimization, it would work just fine, which I can only imagine Spker has that to 5 as it is.
xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own...
So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
166
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Posted - 2014.02.16 15:37:00 -
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Sir Snugglz wrote:I laugh as I pop hardened tanks... so they want to die slower, ok, the more I can make them suffer and fear me.
I've only been against you once and I totally agree that you rip through hardeners like nothing.. :O I cannot believe how quickly you took down my triple hardened shields with your Python.
On a sidenote, triple damage modded proto rail also leaves nothing on chance.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
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Horizen Kenpachi
Kenpachi's Castle
172
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Posted - 2014.02.16 15:46:00 -
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Attack them when the hardeners are down i eat tanks
Hit me with your nerf bat.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3002
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Posted - 2014.02.16 16:22:00 -
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Horizen Kenpachi wrote:Attack them when the hardeners are down i eat tanks
The point people are making here is the fact that cycling two hardeners will give you an extremely small window when the hardeners are down.
There are no "Waves of Opportunity".
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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