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CrotchGrab 360
The Men In The Mirror
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Posted - 2014.02.15 15:16:00 -
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I've played many games today where tanks meant all you could do was hide on high ground, but then they would roll
up hills and just shoot you there anyway, you would have snipers purposefully sniping that one spot because they know
you're only able to be there and nowhere else.
and it's only a matter of time before you get hit by an orbital.
it's DEPRESSING
DUST right now is UNPLAYABLE
You've got duna2002 and his braindead army of scrub tankers ruining every single ambush game running
6 tanks. Are you guys even ******* serious about this game? Do you like DUST? Why do you continue to drive the playerbase
away by being complete and utter insufferable douchebags little kids.
Every single game of Domination I play has at least 1 tank camping each and every single entrance into the objective.
I've just had to quit a game of Domination because I couldn't take the ******* stress of NEVER seeing a single human player
the entire game and instead having 1 tank per entrance to the objective.
When bad players start losing, they just bring in tanks.
Also Russian players have to be the most cowardly people I have ever seen. I have never seen one outside of a tank, ever.
There is no point in playing this game right now, it's broken, it's unplayable, because of scrubs in groups in ******* TANKS.
CCP you can't even give us a straight ******* answer, will tanks be fixed in 1.8 YES OR NO, if not then you're going to lose
a LOT of players.
To the scrubs relentlessly running blaster tanks in every ******* game mods, camping CRUs, camping objectives,
go **** yourself and have fun with this game while it lasts. If you suddenly find it takes 20 minutes to get into a game,
you only have yourself to blame because people are getting pretty ******* sick of this.
You may all see this is a huge rant but take in this ONE point: every single game I've played in today, no matter which opponent, no matter which server or which game mode has been RUINED by tanks.
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CRYPT3C W0LF
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
370
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Posted - 2014.02.15 15:18:00 -
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If you cant adapt, then whats the point?
COOKIE MASTER RACE ^__^
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1081
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Posted - 2014.02.15 15:19:00 -
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thats like saying every single game youve been in up untill now has been ruined by people shooting at you.
and the point is that most of us have adapted and no longer give two ***** if theres a tank on the field unless its a GOOD tanker, the crappy ones cant do squad and wont kill you if you have half a brain.
fixes are incoming eventually, untill then either take a break or HTFU your choice |
Horizen Kenpachi
Kenpachi's Castle
171
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Posted - 2014.02.15 15:20:00 -
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Your right tanks need a buff then u wont need 6 at a time
Hit me with your nerf bat.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2545
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Posted - 2014.02.15 15:38:00 -
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I played lolambush yday
When it isnt Rainbow effect protostomping which is fine by infantry standards i was against duna corp who use vehicles to stomp which is classed as OP by infantry standards but the outcome is the same - you get stomped either way and lose
Now i got put against duna corp with the green mushroom map and i managed to put uplinks inside the compound which was fine, tanks cannot enter the small areas and also cannot even effectively shoot you
The problem i found was that the infantry are just like headless chickens, instead of watching entrances and focusing fire on any enemy infantry dumb enough to run through the door they ran out to where the tanks could shoot them
We would have easily won the game if we had used cover and stayed where tanks cannot shoot us and just easily mow down the infantry
Now in the same situation if they were proto pubstomping with suits we would have lost since a protosuit can fit through a door and a tank cannot
As for domination its a big map and tank spam does not always win because if no one hacks the point you cannot win unless by clone count but if the infantry are smart and use cover then they cannot be cloned
Intelligence is OP
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
2518
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Posted - 2014.02.15 15:57:00 -
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All of this Tank talk has me wanting to login, throw 3,000,000 SP into FGs, buy some MLT Dropships, and make these chode lickers a thing of the past.
But, I'm not burning up my PS3 with 'Fatal Error'514 just to put a few scrubs on notice.
Fix the 'Fatal Error' bullshit and I'll provide a balanced environment for my brethren.
I GÖú Kittens.
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Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.02.15 15:57:00 -
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Yeah, tanks aren't that bad, once you realize that they aren't really playing the game. Lord knows what they're doing.
I'm recruiting only the hardest hard-core-rers out there who are in here.
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Horizen Kenpachi
Kenpachi's Castle
171
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:17:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Yeah, tanks aren't that bad, once you realize that they aren't really playing the game. Lord knows what they're doing.
Lisening to their radios dust fm
Hit me with your nerf bat.
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iTbagyou
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
210
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:24:00 -
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People dont adapt in dust, they QQ until its nerfed into uselessness. Tac Ar, AR, av, now RR and tanks. May as well turn dust into a pikkow fight game to please the whiners.
Official spokesman of Lipton Tea.
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Alternate Insano
SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD
65
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:32:00 -
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I was just in a tank spamwich and melee'd a tank with a militia light suit. He shot me with a railgun.
Oh my God, that horribly unfair, unbalanced, 70 ton , tracked, heavy attack vehicle with a gun the size of my **** just killed me!! the humanity! How could it happen!! It's so unfair! Oh, wait, no it's not.
If you can't solo a tank, get a squadmate to help you. No squad? Use squad finder. Better yet, start a squad and designate the tanks as targets and everyone in your squad will get some extra points when you pop it.
I do not use tanks, but also do not think that I should be able to take one out on my own. If I had my way the Soma would be as strong as the M1 Abrams. Nobody would be blowing up tanks with anything less than a bigger tank, or the yet to be released fighter jets.
Speaking of which, I can't wait to see how OP everyone says those are.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1802
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:47:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:I've played many games today where tanks meant all you could do was hide on high ground, but then they would roll
up hills and just shoot you there anyway, you would have snipers purposefully sniping that one spot because they know
you're only able to be there and nowhere else.
and it's only a matter of time before you get hit by an orbital.
it's DEPRESSING
DUST right now is UNPLAYABLE
You've got duna2002 and his braindead army of scrub tankers ruining every single ambush game running
6 tanks. Are you guys even ******* serious about this game? Do you like DUST? Why do you continue to drive the playerbase
away by being complete and utter insufferable douchebags little kids.
Every single game of Domination I play has at least 1 tank camping each and every single entrance into the objective.
I've just had to quit a game of Domination because I couldn't take the ******* stress of NEVER seeing a single human player
the entire game and instead having 1 tank per entrance to the objective.
When bad players start losing, they just bring in tanks.
Also Russian players have to be the most cowardly people I have ever seen. I have never seen one outside of a tank, ever.
There is no point in playing this game right now, it's broken, it's unplayable, because of scrubs in groups in ******* TANKS.
CCP you can't even give us a straight ******* answer, will tanks be fixed in 1.8 YES OR NO, if not then you're going to lose
a LOT of players.
To the scrubs relentlessly running blaster tanks in every ******* game mods, camping CRUs, camping objectives,
go **** yourself and have fun with this game while it lasts. If you suddenly find it takes 20 minutes to get into a game,
you only have yourself to blame because people are getting pretty ******* sick of this.
You may all see this is a huge rant but take in this ONE point: every single game I've played in today, no matter which opponent, no matter which server or which game mode has been RUINED by tanks.
Ambush. There's your problem. |
Otavio Martins
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
206
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:58:00 -
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tanks are one of the things that makes this game different from CoD
RC-1087
Star Wars Fan.
Please gimme some ISK.
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
683
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:05:00 -
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I would say skill into forge guns but its a waste of isk running Av. Get a tank and start making money.
Who wants some?
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
IMMORTAL REGIME
855
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:07:00 -
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Ambush is being taken over by tanks and domination is being taken over by What the french on the euro server.
Skirmish is the most balanced of the 3 for me, and its not balanced.
Assassination is my thing.
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Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven
1403
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:17:00 -
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The problem isn't the strength of tanks. It's the now pathetic strength of AV.
I used to love seeing tanks in Ambush or Dom. I'd bust out the Prof. V Ishukone Assault and go to town. Now with lolhardeners they just laugh it off and continue to Zerg to the team. Hardener down? Drive away for 30 seconds and with the nerfed charge time and damage on the FG there's very little chance to land that shot before they turn a corner.
And don't even start on Swarms and AV Nades. Do people even use them anymore? The only way I've seen at least AV Nades be successful is when three people coordinated using them on a single tank, and even that was barely close.
Really the only effective anti tank measures right now are other tanks.
Let me play you the song of my people!
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Meknow Intaki
67
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:23:00 -
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A cheap bomb buggy fit is key to taking down tanks....
I can do more with one 8000isk BB then half a squad can do with millions of isk worth of AV =ƒÿ¦ |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1825
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:24:00 -
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There's nothing wrong with tanks.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
739
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:24:00 -
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I wished I saw more AV on the field.
Drop down a proxy/RE field if you know there are going to be tankers, spam some AV-nades,....
I'm not saying that you are going to Own tanks but You would be suprised how many ****-tankers there are and if there is more than one player doing it, the more **** tankers are going to be exposed.
I can't wait untill they balance those hardeners and speed. |
Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
95
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:27:00 -
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the point might be to sell more aurum AV
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
576
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:27:00 -
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Agreed that tanks need to be fixed before they go implementing a infantry patch. Makes no sense to do all this infantry work, when infantry are struggling (namely ambush) to deal with tanks, or I should say, the sheer number of tanks.
I think that this problem is rather specific. In ambush, having 6 tanks on one side, basically means a win.
Though, as I have been doing a lot of domination of late, the same can apply to that mode as well. Map dependent of course.
And of course skirmish, tanks can have a large impact, but at least infantry generally has a place to go, and plenty of room to frolic.
Tanks have always been somewhat of a problem in ambush, though pre 1.7 they were very easy to deal with. Now though, they are nearly impossible for anything but a forge gun or tank, and even then it can be a struggle. One tank, not an issue, though 6 tanks and you are going to have a bad time, mkay.
From my personal experience, a lot of this is due to milita tanks. Very rarely do I ever blow up an actual gunnlogi or maddie. Milta tanks are incredibly cheap, and very powerful. Because of this, it is very easy to spam. Given the new resistances and reps, these things can also be impossible for any infantry AV, especially when you have enemy AI running around.
But, there is a trend going around atm. Did you know, that tanking pre 1.7 actually wasn't that awful at one time. While I did get blown up quite often starting out, I was able to survive much longer until swarms came along. See in the beginning, a LOT of people were just starting out. Then a triple SP event came around, and guess what happened. Everyone and their mothers speced into swarm launchers, thus the tanker QQ got thick and heavy. People figured out, hey, swarm launchers murder tanks, thus more swarms were on the field.
What I'm noticing, are a lot more STD tanks on the field. So even if they were to do something with milita, tanks will still be a problem. It will shift from MLT tanks to STD tanks.
Adjust cost on MLT tanks to better reflect their power (they are very similar in power to their STD couterpart) cost needs to certainly increase. This WILL stop the spam. But still, I think the focus will simply shift to the STD tanks. You think MLT tanks are bad, try an SP invested tank.
What I would like to see, is an overall price hike on tanks in general.
Say a fit for a pro tank is a Mil.
A MLT fit should be at 400 to 500K
So tanks in general will cost you half a mil to a mil to run per game. Given their power, this is totally fair.
Next, WP for tank damage needs to be implemented. What this does, is make it very appealing to actually attempt AV against a tank. So one tank rolls up, and over half the team switches to AV, that tank WILL die, AV will get a good chunk for the effort, and tanks will still require multiple people to take them out.
Everyone's happier.
Add WP for tank damage, make it appealing to run AV against a tank.
And of course, tanks need to be FINISHED ALREADY. I've already put out my idea's on tank fixes but for the mean time, what I stated here should happen with the 1.8 release. No buffing of AV, or nerfing of tanks. Things are in a better spot than you think with tank balance, the problem though is the ease at which people can run tanks, which results in the "TANK SPAM" and the cries to nerf tanks.
Rather than doing something stupidly drastic ( again ) make these small changes so you can actually focus on balancing the numbers. Fix the actual problems not the skewed misinterpretations of people less familiar with tanks!
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
1105
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:40:00 -
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I've done an Ambush with only one tank yesterday. ONE!
Can you believe that?! There is still hope! |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1825
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:42:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:All of this Tank talk has me wanting to login, throw 3,000,000 SP into FGs, buy some MLT Dropships, and make these chode lickers a thing of the past.
But, I'm not burning up my PS3 with 'Fatal Error'514 just to put a few scrubs on notice.
Fix the 'Fatal Error' bullshit and I'll provide a balanced environment for my brethren.
Lol, you think simply doing that makes you good at forge gunning?
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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scuba678
the.R3D.kings
131
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:42:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:There's nothing wrong with tanks.
hahahahahhahahahah
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scuba678
the.R3D.kings
131
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:43:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Rynoceros wrote:All of this Tank talk has me wanting to login, throw 3,000,000 SP into FGs, buy some MLT Dropships, and make these chode lickers a thing of the past.
But, I'm not burning up my PS3 with 'Fatal Error'514 just to put a few scrubs on notice.
Fix the 'Fatal Error' bullshit and I'll provide a balanced environment for my brethren. Lol, you think simply doing that makes you good at forge gunning?
Nerf coming your way...then QQ time |
buzzzzzzz killllllllll
TRA1LBLAZERS
291
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:43:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:There's nothing wrong with tanks.
You sir, are a dumbass and need to stfu about tanks. I know because I have 8 mil in tanks and 4 mil in forge guns, as well as adv res and nades, and there is no balance at all |
voidfaction
Void of Faction
155
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:44:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote: I was just in a tank spamwich and melee'd a tank with a militia light suit. He shot me with a railgun.
Oh my God, that horribly unfair, unbalanced, 70 ton , tracked, heavy attack vehicle with a gun the size of my **** just killed me!! the humanity! How could it happen!! It's so unfair! Oh, wait, no it's not.
If you can't solo a tank, get a squadmate to help you. No squad? Use squad finder. Better yet, start a squad and designate the tanks as targets and everyone in your squad will get some extra points when you pop it.
I do not use tanks, but also do not think that I should be able to take one out on my own. If I had my way the Soma would be as strong as the M1 Abrams. Nobody would be blowing up tanks with anything less than a bigger tank, or the yet to be released fighter jets.
Speaking of which, I can't wait to see how OP everyone says those are.
And how many people does it take to operate your M1 Abrams?
Can be done with 3
4 = Commander, loader, gunner, driver
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no isk 4-you
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:46:00 -
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buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:There's nothing wrong with tanks. You sir, are a dumbass and need to stfu about tanks. I know because I have 8 mil in tanks and 4 mil in forge guns, as well as adv res and nades, and there is no balance at all
of course hes a dumbass, even a forum noob like me know spkr is the biggest dumbass and thinks repeating tanks are not op will stop a nerf |
Rusty Shallows
967
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Posted - 2014.02.15 19:05:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:
To the scrubs relentlessly running blaster tanks in every ******* game mods, camping CRUs, camping objectives,
go **** yourself and have fun with this game while it lasts. If you suddenly find it takes 20 minutes to get into a game,
you only have yourself to blame because people are getting pretty ******* sick of this.
snip
Sometimes I miss the old CRU camping before the fixes. Then I remember some of us were just being doucebags ruining the game deserving hot Fireplace Pokers inserted in unmentionable places. Still it was pretty cool racking up those freebie no-skill kills.
Here, have some candy and a Like. :-)
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richiesutie 2
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
782
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Posted - 2014.02.15 19:18:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:I played lolambush yday
When it isnt Rainbow effect protostomping which is fine by infantry standards i was against duna corp who use vehicles to stomp which is classed as OP by infantry standards but the outcome is the same - you get stomped either way and lose
Now i got put against duna corp with the green mushroom map and i managed to put uplinks inside the compound which was fine, tanks cannot enter the small areas and also cannot even effectively shoot you
The problem i found was that the infantry are just like headless chickens, instead of watching entrances and focusing fire on any enemy infantry dumb enough to run through the door they ran out to where the tanks could shoot them
We would have easily won the game if we had used cover and stayed where tanks cannot shoot us and just easily mow down the infantry
Now in the same situation if they were proto pubstomping with suits we would have lost since a protosuit can fit through a door and a tank cannot
As for domination its a big map and tank spam does not always win because if no one hacks the point you cannot win unless by clone count but if the infantry are smart and use cover then they cannot be cloned
Yup because everyone wants to win, even if its mean your bored for the whole match. 
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Check it out! :)
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
1167
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Posted - 2014.02.15 20:01:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote: I was just in a tank spamwich and melee'd a tank with a militia light suit. He shot me with a railgun.
Oh my God, that horribly unfair, unbalanced, 70 ton , tracked, heavy attack vehicle with a gun the size of my **** just killed me!! the humanity! How could it happen!! It's so unfair! Oh, wait, no it's not.
If you can't solo a tank, get a squadmate to help you. No squad? Use squad finder. Better yet, start a squad and designate the tanks as targets and everyone in your squad will get some extra points when you pop it.
I do not use tanks, but also do not think that I should be able to take one out on my own. If I had my way the Soma would be as strong as the M1 Abrams. Nobody would be blowing up tanks with anything less than a bigger tank, or the yet to be released fighter jets.
Speaking of which, I can't wait to see how OP everyone says those are.
Wait, people are still trying to use "ITS A TANK!!" as a game balance argument?
As for squadding up, yes that's a good idea. Yes, I agree that it should take a squad of AVers to kill a tank. But then I believe it should take a crew of 3 to operate the tank.
While tanks can be operated effectively solo but require multiple people to kill (and before the "I solo'd a tank" crowd jump in, I'm talking in general not specific instances) it can not be balanced in a game that has a hard limit of 16 players per side.
RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
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BAD FURRY
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
503
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Posted - 2014.02.15 20:29:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:I've played many games today where tanks meant all you could do was hide on high ground, but then they would roll
up hills and just shoot you there anyway, you would have snipers purposefully sniping that one spot because they know
you're only able to be there and nowhere else.
and it's only a matter of time before you get hit by an orbital.
it's DEPRESSING
DUST right now is UNPLAYABLE
You've got duna2002 and his braindead army of scrub tankers ruining every single ambush game running
6 tanks. Are you guys even ******* serious about this game? Do you like DUST? Why do you continue to drive the playerbase
away by being complete and utter insufferable douchebags little kids.
Every single game of Domination I play has at least 1 tank camping each and every single entrance into the objective.
I've just had to quit a game of Domination because I couldn't take the ******* stress of NEVER seeing a single human player
the entire game and instead having 1 tank per entrance to the objective.
When bad players start losing, they just bring in tanks.
Also Russian players have to be the most cowardly people I have ever seen. I have never seen one outside of a tank, ever.
There is no point in playing this game right now, it's broken, it's unplayable, because of scrubs in groups in ******* TANKS.
CCP you can't even give us a straight ******* answer, will tanks be fixed in 1.8 YES OR NO, if not then you're going to lose
a LOT of players.
To the scrubs relentlessly running blaster tanks in every ******* game mods, camping CRUs, camping objectives,
go **** yourself and have fun with this game while it lasts. If you suddenly find it takes 20 minutes to get into a game,
you only have yourself to blame because people are getting pretty ******* sick of this.
You may all see this is a huge rant but take in this ONE point: every single game I've played in today, no matter which opponent, no matter which server or which game mode has been RUINED by tanks.
adapt or Rage !
Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
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Croned
562
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Posted - 2014.02.15 20:48:00 -
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Lol to the people who don't call tanks OP to AV.
I happened to have a lot of unused SP on an alt and decided to skill into tanks a while back. I got proto turrents, armor hardeners, armor reps, and a speed booster, and put them on an armor tank. Since then, I have not lost A SINGLE tank to AV. I only ever lose my tanks to other tanks. The reason being is that with my armor hardeners + reps, a single AV guy cannot do enough damage per Forge shot/set of swarms so that I haven't completely repaired it all before their next shot. If there are two of them, I simply fire at one of them so they can't get a shot in. If I happen to feel threatened or a little overwhelmed, I simply speed away with my booster while my hardener is still active. Even better, I've noticed that there are skills that can reduce the cooldown time & increase the active time of all active modules by up to 25%.
Now imagine 7 of these tanks at once.
Son of a plasma cannon!
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
581
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Posted - 2014.02.15 21:00:00 -
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Croned wrote:Lol to the people who don't call tanks OP to AV.
I happened to have a lot of unused SP on an alt and decided to skill into tanks a while back. I got proto turrents, armor hardeners, armor reps, and a speed booster, and put them on an armor tank. Since then, I have not lost A SINGLE tank to AV. I only ever lose my tanks to other tanks. The reason being is that with my armor hardeners + reps, a single AV guy cannot do enough damage per Forge shot/set of swarms so that I haven't completely repaired it all before their next shot. If there are two of them, I simply fire at one of them so they can't get a shot in. If I happen to feel threatened or a little overwhelmed, I simply speed away with my booster while my hardener is still active. Even better, I've noticed that there are skills that can reduce the cooldown time & increase the active time of all active modules by up to 25%.
Now imagine 7 of these tanks at once.
And if that tank cost 1.5 million, how would you feel about losing it. How often would you use it? If AV got WP for tank kills, do you think you can take 2 FG at a time, with swarms and possible AV nades tossed in.
Nuff Said
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
2531
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Posted - 2014.02.15 21:43:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Rynoceros wrote:All of this Tank talk has me wanting to login, throw 3,000,000 SP into FGs, buy some MLT Dropships, and make these chode lickers a thing of the past.
But, I'm not burning up my PS3 with 'Fatal Error'514 just to put a few scrubs on notice.
Fix the 'Fatal Error' bullshit and I'll provide a balanced environment for my brethren. Lol, you think simply doing that makes you good at forge gunning?
Yup.
You see, they have a MLT variant that is balanced to its Proto variant. Weird, I know...
I've torched enough of your wannabe peers with that washed out MLT Forge Gun to know that I'd light up your scrub ass crutch the second you touched it, if I chose to actually invest in them.
Better ask somebody about it before you get embarrassed.
I GÖú Kittens.
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Croned
562
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Posted - 2014.02.18 00:53:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Croned wrote:Lol to the people who don't call tanks OP to AV.
I happened to have a lot of unused SP on an alt and decided to skill into tanks a while back. I got proto turrents, armor hardeners, armor reps, and a speed booster, and put them on an armor tank. Since then, I have not lost A SINGLE tank to AV. I only ever lose my tanks to other tanks. The reason being is that with my armor hardeners + reps, a single AV guy cannot do enough damage per Forge shot/set of swarms so that I haven't completely repaired it all before their next shot. If there are two of them, I simply fire at one of them so they can't get a shot in. If I happen to feel threatened or a little overwhelmed, I simply speed away with my booster while my hardener is still active. Even better, I've noticed that there are skills that can reduce the cooldown time & increase the active time of all active modules by up to 25%.
Now imagine 7 of these tanks at once. And if that tank cost 1.5 million, how would you feel about losing it. How often would you use it?
Who said anything about increasing tank prices? And no, I wouldn't use anything that expensive in a pub match.
Tebu Gan wrote:If AV got WP for tank kills, do you think you can take 2 FG at a time, with swarms and possible AV nades tossed in.
AV does get WP from tank kills... and in that situation, I would retreat with my hardeners and speed booster active and call in a rail tank so I could snipe the AV guys.
Son of a plasma cannon!
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Type 2910 MK-II
The United Peoples' Tactical Force
11
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Posted - 2014.02.18 05:17:00 -
[36] - Quote
If tanks were more expensive then it wouldn't be the problem. A single tank is cheaper then my advanced dropsuit, although I am a support logi and it is expensive it still irritates me. I have no problem with how powerful they are tanks should be a force to be reckoned with I just think they need to be a little more expensive to help deter the popular method of tank spamming. maybe a tank team quota could help too, like 3 out at a time? |
The Attorney General
2010
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Posted - 2014.02.18 05:24:00 -
[37] - Quote
CrotchGrab 360 wrote:
You may all see this is a huge rant but take in this ONE point: every single game I've played in today, no matter which opponent, no matter which server or which game mode has been RUINED by tanks.
So get some AV and stop being a coward.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2855
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Posted - 2014.02.18 05:35:00 -
[38] - Quote
Make the ADS cheaper and it can hunt down those pesky tanks. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
1243
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Posted - 2014.02.18 05:38:00 -
[39] - Quote
No sp tank spam in ambush IS a problem and doesn't make sense considering how CCP has made it work.
Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
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HYENAKILLER X
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
607
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Posted - 2014.02.18 05:41:00 -
[40] - Quote
CrotchGrab 360 wrote:I've played many games today where tanks meant all you could do was hide on high ground, but then they would roll
up hills and just shoot you there anyway, you would have snipers purposefully sniping that one spot because they know
you're only able to be there and nowhere else.
and it's only a matter of time before you get hit by an orbital.
it's DEPRESSING
DUST right now is UNPLAYABLE
You've got duna2002 and his braindead army of scrub tankers ruining every single ambush game running
6 tanks. Are you guys even ******* serious about this game? Do you like DUST? Why do you continue to drive the playerbase
away by being complete and utter insufferable douchebags little kids.
Every single game of Domination I play has at least 1 tank camping each and every single entrance into the objective.
I've just had to quit a game of Domination because I couldn't take the ******* stress of NEVER seeing a single human player
the entire game and instead having 1 tank per entrance to the objective.
When bad players start losing, they just bring in tanks.
Also Russian players have to be the most cowardly people I have ever seen. I have never seen one outside of a tank, ever.
There is no point in playing this game right now, it's broken, it's unplayable, because of scrubs in groups in ******* TANKS.
CCP you can't even give us a straight ******* answer, will tanks be fixed in 1.8 YES OR NO, if not then you're going to lose
a LOT of players.
To the scrubs relentlessly running blaster tanks in every ******* game mods, camping CRUs, camping objectives,
go **** yourself and have fun with this game while it lasts. If you suddenly find it takes 20 minutes to get into a game,
you only have yourself to blame because people are getting pretty ******* sick of this.
You may all see this is a huge rant but take in this ONE point: every single game I've played in today, no matter which opponent, no matter which server or which game mode has been RUINED by tanks.
Brother.......your wisdom is flawless. When 1.8 drops im going to spec into gal comando and litetally rain hell on tankers.
Tanks are ruining a very good game and need to be very discouraged
Tanks are for pussies.
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The Attorney General
2021
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Posted - 2014.02.18 05:45:00 -
[41] - Quote
HYENAKILLER X wrote:
Tanks are ruining a very good game and need to be very discouraged
Very good game? You drunk?
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
394
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Posted - 2014.02.18 05:49:00 -
[42] - Quote
...i hate World of Tanks.
I thought, this a FPS game.
It turned out it was not.
Equipment, allowing greatly affect the game should have a corresponding price.
The tank should be a tool for a group of players, not a child's toy, created account yesterday.
So, Ambush is absolutley die - 5 tanks per every map.
Other public mods - almost die by same reason.
...today I created an EVE account, can I get a dreadnought for 1kk isk?
...sorry for bad English =)
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Michael-J-Fox Richards
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
28
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Posted - 2014.02.18 05:51:00 -
[43] - Quote
the part of this thread i liked the most was the TC insulting the entire country of russia
http://i40.tinypic.com/33w8wtd.jpg
Not my highest, but the best one i've taken a picture of.
Assault Dropship Pilot
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Shane999 Stalkers
Stand Alone Clones
3
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Posted - 2014.02.18 05:57:00 -
[44] - Quote
I agree this game is trash with tanks being spammed every where i go to. CCP dont give a **** about us. |
Auris Lionesse
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Renegade Alliance
229
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Posted - 2014.02.18 05:59:00 -
[45] - Quote
Just go back to 1.7 stats and make r2 accelerate. |
Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3052
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Posted - 2014.02.18 06:16:00 -
[46] - Quote
Didn't you hear?
We are getting cloaks to hide from tanks!
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
394
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Posted - 2014.02.18 06:26:00 -
[47] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:Didn't you hear? We are getting cloaks to hide from tanks!
O, ja, ja, thief is coming...
...sorry for bad English =)
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
1244
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Posted - 2014.02.18 06:58:00 -
[48] - Quote
Funkmaster Whale wrote:The problem isn't the strength of tanks. It's the now pathetic strength of AV.
I used to love seeing tanks in Ambush or Dom. I'd bust out the Prof. V Ishukone Assault and go to town. Now with lolhardeners they just laugh it off and continue to Zerg the team. Hardener down? Drive away for 30 seconds and with the nerfed charge time and damage on the FG there's very little chance to land that shot before they turn a corner.
And don't even start on Swarms and AV Nades. Do people even use them anymore? The only way I've seen at least AV Nades be successful is when three people coordinated using them on a single tank, and even that was barely close.
Really the only effective anti tank measures right now are other tanks. If they really do intent to keep AV the same strength it is now then we desperately need something to immobilize tanks (cough Webifiers cough). Their whole philosophy with this whole "windows of opportunity" nonsense simply doesn't work when tanks are so fast and can just drive away to wait out cooldowns. If, say, we had some equipment to temporarily immobilize a tank for like 5 seconds it would be enough for infantry to take advantage of CCP's bogus "window of opportunity".
Hell, put diminishing returns on it so you can't perma-disable a tank for all I care. All I want is enough time to land a shot before the tanks zips away to AFK until his cooldowns are back up.
Everyone has said it... Tanks are fine they are just to fast... they whole window of opportunity goes out the window when you launch a vehicle with stats of 1000 KM/h and 300km/h.
They could of left AV as it was and everything would of been fine everyone would of adapted...
They could of left the speed of the tanks the same and everything would of been fine...
They could of Rebuffed Structures for Anti Vehicle work. replaced the Turrets and Supply Depots(Adding the Whole Vehicle Ammo thing?) and everything would of been fine...
it's confusing.. |
darkiller240
WarRavens
League of Infamy
419
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Posted - 2014.02.18 08:47:00 -
[49] - Quote
I teamed up with a couple of guys from 1st airborn
Went into ambush and murdered Duna
We all got Corp invits
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
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NK Scout
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
443
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Posted - 2014.02.18 09:09:00 -
[50] - Quote
CRYPT3C W0LF wrote:If you cant adapt, then whats the point?
cloak+hav quoto of 2 or 3 will fix tank514
2 exiles assault rifles,
Skinweave caldari frame,
Staff recruiter mlt frame,
Templar set
Caldari Master Race
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The-Beard
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
98
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Posted - 2014.02.18 09:21:00 -
[51] - Quote
CrotchGrab 360 wrote:I've played many games today where tanks meant all you could do was hide on high ground, but then they would roll
up hills and just shoot you there anyway, you would have snipers purposefully sniping that one spot because they know
you're only able to be there and nowhere else.
and it's only a matter of time before you get hit by an orbital.
it's DEPRESSING
DUST right now is UNPLAYABLE
You've got duna2002 and his braindead army of scrub tankers ruining every single ambush game running
6 tanks. Are you guys even ******* serious about this game? Do you like DUST? Why do you continue to drive the playerbase
away by being complete and utter insufferable douchebags little kids.
Every single game of Domination I play has at least 1 tank camping each and every single entrance into the objective.
I've just had to quit a game of Domination because I couldn't take the ******* stress of NEVER seeing a single human player
the entire game and instead having 1 tank per entrance to the objective.
When bad players start losing, they just bring in tanks.
Also Russian players have to be the most cowardly people I have ever seen. I have never seen one outside of a tank, ever.
There is no point in playing this game right now, it's broken, it's unplayable, because of scrubs in groups in ******* TANKS.
CCP you can't even give us a straight ******* answer, will tanks be fixed in 1.8 YES OR NO, if not then you're going to lose
a LOT of players.
To the scrubs relentlessly running blaster tanks in every ******* game mods, camping CRUs, camping objectives,
go **** yourself and have fun with this game while it lasts. If you suddenly find it takes 20 minutes to get into a game,
you only have yourself to blame because people are getting pretty ******* sick of this.
You may all see this is a huge rant but take in this ONE point: every single game I've played in today, no matter which opponent, no matter which server or which game mode has been RUINED by tanks.
Wow, this dude is really upset over a video game  |
The Eristic
Sad Panda Solutions
204
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Posted - 2014.02.18 09:30:00 -
[52] - Quote
Simple concept. This guy's post from a recent thread sums it up for me.
N1ck Comeau wrote:Tanks need to either be strong and powerful, but slow
Fast and strong, but low damage.
Fast and powerful, but are weak.
Not all 3!
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Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
659
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Posted - 2014.02.18 09:32:00 -
[53] - Quote
CrotchGrab 360 wrote:I've played many games today where tanks meant all you could do was hide on high ground, but then they would roll
up hills and just shoot you there anyway, you would have snipers purposefully sniping that one spot because they know
you're only able to be there and nowhere else.
and it's only a matter of time before you get hit by an orbital.
it's DEPRESSING
DUST right now is UNPLAYABLE
You've got duna2002 and his braindead army of scrub tankers ruining every single ambush game running
6 tanks. Are you guys even ******* serious about this game? Do you like DUST? Why do you continue to drive the playerbase
away by being complete and utter insufferable douchebags little kids.
Every single game of Domination I play has at least 1 tank camping each and every single entrance into the objective.
I've just had to quit a game of Domination because I couldn't take the ******* stress of NEVER seeing a single human player
the entire game and instead having 1 tank per entrance to the objective.
When bad players start losing, they just bring in tanks.
Also Russian players have to be the most cowardly people I have ever seen. I have never seen one outside of a tank, ever.
There is no point in playing this game right now, it's broken, it's unplayable, because of scrubs in groups in ******* TANKS.
CCP you can't even give us a straight ******* answer, will tanks be fixed in 1.8 YES OR NO, if not then you're going to lose
a LOT of players.
To the scrubs relentlessly running blaster tanks in every ******* game mods, camping CRUs, camping objectives,
go **** yourself and have fun with this game while it lasts. If you suddenly find it takes 20 minutes to get into a game,
you only have yourself to blame because people are getting pretty ******* sick of this.
You may all see this is a huge rant but take in this ONE point: every single game I've played in today, no matter which opponent, no matter which server or which game mode has been RUINED by tanks.
Fit AV, make sure your in a squad.
Next.
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Stinker Butt
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
365
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Posted - 2014.02.18 10:56:00 -
[54] - Quote
CrotchGrab 360 wrote:
CCP you can't even give us a straight ******* answer, will tanks be fixed in 1.8 YES OR NO, if not then you're going to lose
a LOT of players.
Don't forget, this is a business. CCP doesn't want to go on record saying something like, "hey, we totally f**ked up with 1.7." So they throw a gag order out and tell all of their devs to keep quiet about it while they are hopefully planning some changes.
But for arguments sake, lets assume CCP didn't totally f**k up and this was intentional. By making an insanely unbalanced FOTM (ie Tanks), you cause a large player base to drain their SP into it only to make it obsolete later and have a new OP FOTM to sink your SP into. This is actually a brilliant tactic as it increases the longevity of the game and sells aurum items, such as boosters and in this case aurum tanks.
Or it could be as simple as, "We don't know what the f**k we're doing. We don't know what the f**k we're going to do. And we don't want to f**king talk about it."
Please give tanks some balance
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Deadly Goliath
Stardust Incorporation
IMMORTAL REGIME
43
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Posted - 2014.02.18 11:00:00 -
[55] - Quote
CrotchGrab 360 wrote:I've played many games today where tanks meant all you could do was hide on high ground, but then they would roll
up hills and just shoot you there anyway, you would have snipers purposefully sniping that one spot because they know
you're only able to be there and nowhere else.
and it's only a matter of time before you get hit by an orbital.
it's DEPRESSING
DUST right now is UNPLAYABLE
You've got duna2002 and his braindead army of scrub tankers ruining every single ambush game running
6 tanks. Are you guys even ******* serious about this game? Do you like DUST? Why do you continue to drive the playerbase
away by being complete and utter insufferable douchebags little kids.
Every single game of Domination I play has at least 1 tank camping each and every single entrance into the objective.
I've just had to quit a game of Domination because I couldn't take the ******* stress of NEVER seeing a single human player
the entire game and instead having 1 tank per entrance to the objective.
When bad players start losing, they just bring in tanks.
Also Russian players have to be the most cowardly people I have ever seen. I have never seen one outside of a tank, ever.
There is no point in playing this game right now, it's broken, it's unplayable, because of scrubs in groups in ******* TANKS.
CCP you can't even give us a straight ******* answer, will tanks be fixed in 1.8 YES OR NO, if not then you're going to lose
a LOT of players.
To the scrubs relentlessly running blaster tanks in every ******* game mods, camping CRUs, camping objectives,
go **** yourself and have fun with this game while it lasts. If you suddenly find it takes 20 minutes to get into a game,
you only have yourself to blame because people are getting pretty ******* sick of this.
You may all see this is a huge rant but take in this ONE point: every single game I've played in today, no matter which opponent, no matter which server or which game mode has been RUINED by tanks.
Mate just stop crying, and do something about it, i killed duna about 3 times. I would advice you to get a rail.gun tank and try to kill them and not wait for the blueberrys to.
Extermination is what i do.
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NK Scout
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
443
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Posted - 2014.02.18 11:18:00 -
[56] - Quote
NK Scout wrote:CRYPT3C W0LF wrote:If you cant adapt, then whats the point? cloak+hav quota of 2 or 3 will fix tank514
2 exiles assault rifles,
Skinweave caldari frame,
Staff recruiter mlt frame,
Templar set
Caldari Master Race
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Corvo Wolfear
Russian Troops Of Chaos
E-R-A
180
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Posted - 2014.02.18 11:38:00 -
[57] - Quote
CrotchGrab 360 wrote:
Also Russian players have to be the most cowardly people I have ever seen. I have never seen one outside of a tank, ever.
 so cute.
This guy has different opinion
So, when you see enemy tanks, try to fake Russian accent. |
Tau Lai
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2014.02.18 11:47:00 -
[58] - Quote
Why all this hate about Duna?
He is a good player who adapts with the game. He doesn't have more privileges tan the rest. Just face it.
Do not join his corp if you don't want to. You are not obligated.
Militia tanks are way much really absolutely and indubitably overpowered against militia AV. CCP wants it this way and that is it.
End of story.
Else, buy a tank. |
John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
395
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Posted - 2014.02.18 11:56:00 -
[59] - Quote
Tau Lai wrote:Why all this hate about Duna?
He is a good player who adapts with the game. He doesn't have more privileges tan the rest. Just face it.
Do not join his corp if you don't want to. You are not obligated.
Militia tanks are way much really absolutely and indubitably overpowered against militia AV. CCP wants it this way and that is it.
End of story.
Else, buy a tank.
Cool story, bro.
...sorry for bad English =)
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NK Scout
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
443
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Posted - 2014.02.18 12:00:00 -
[60] - Quote
NK Scout wrote:NK Scout wrote:CRYPT3C W0LF wrote:If you cant adapt, then whats the point? cloak+hav quota of 2 or 3 will fix tank514
Seriously, cloak and remotes will be the death of tanks....
2 exiles assault rifles,
Skinweave caldari frame,
Staff recruiter mlt frame,
Templar set
Caldari Master Race
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Kal Kronos
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
195
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Posted - 2014.02.18 12:03:00 -
[61] - Quote
Reduce speed by 10% and cap tanks at 3 per match, #balance.
What's not to love about the scrambler rifle, the thing is a precision weapon and at the same time a shotgun.
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axujen
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.02.18 12:46:00 -
[62] - Quote
Horizen Kenpachi wrote:Your right tanks need a buff then u wont need 6 at a time
Give them more hp and resistance so they wont be destroyed by petty av nades and swarm launchers (those were ment for lavs and dropships)
Make them small enough so they can go inside of buildings (What good is a tank if it has nothing to shoot?)
Make their turrets rotate 3 times faster and give them aim assist (Damn those infantry are so fast, can barely hit them)
Buff the blaster range to match the sniper rifle and give it a scope.
Make them less expensive, 80k for a tank? This is blasphemy!
Im sure there are many other things that need to be done to fix tanks right now. |
Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University
Ivy League
315
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Posted - 2014.02.18 13:01:00 -
[63] - Quote
"DUST right now is UNPLAYABLE"
Your thread is bullshit. stopped reading right there.
DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
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NextDark Knight
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
193
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Posted - 2014.02.18 13:54:00 -
[64] - Quote
since the rate of fire nerf you'll be better off putting skill points into the Flaylock. I have forge maxed :(
Rynoceros wrote:All of this Tank talk has me wanting to login, throw 3,000,000 SP into FGs, buy some MLT Dropships, and make these chode lickers a thing of the past.
But, I'm not burning up my PS3 with 'Fatal Error'514 just to put a few scrubs on notice.
Fix the 'Fatal Error' bullshit and I'll provide a balanced environment for my brethren.
Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1.
Original ROF needs to return!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
4781
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Posted - 2014.02.18 14:17:00 -
[65] - Quote
Otavio Martins wrote:tanks are one of the things that makes this game different from CoD
XD
I'm pretty sure that it is the diversity, risk (yes tankers, I know this is a bit hard for you to understand), actual currency, and most importantly, TTK
What prevents me from turning matches into Tank 514? Nothing
Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
3682
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Posted - 2014.02.18 14:26:00 -
[66] - Quote
Duna --> dum@$$
Tanks ---> dirty
Tanks need to be fixed, give them a price increase (MLT ones) up to 120k isk
And put freaking 2 tank limit for each team, ambush gives 0 tanks and derpships, 2 LAVs.
It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it
-Aristotle
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The Attorney General
2044
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Posted - 2014.02.18 14:40:00 -
[67] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Otavio Martins wrote:tanks are one of the things that makes this game different from CoD XD I'm pretty sure that it is the diversity, risk (yes tankers, I know this is a bit hard for you to understand), actual currency, and most importantly, TTKWhat prevents me from turning matches into Tank 514? Nothing
Skills, friends, etc.
You still have yet to put up and get some FW time so I can solo your tank
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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AP Grasshopper
The Unit 514
170
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Posted - 2014.02.18 14:40:00 -
[68] - Quote
Sorry your Gek lost its flavor and your swarm no longer one shots tanks.... |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
4781
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Posted - 2014.02.18 14:54:00 -
[69] - Quote
The Attorney General wrote:Atiim wrote:Otavio Martins wrote:tanks are one of the things that makes this game different from CoD XD I'm pretty sure that it is the diversity, risk (yes tankers, I know this is a bit hard for you to understand), actual currency, and most importantly, TTKWhat prevents me from turning matches into Tank 514? Nothing Skills, friends, etc. You still have yet to put up and get some FW time so I can solo your tank
Oh dang, I forgot.
What timezone are you in?
Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
4781
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Posted - 2014.02.18 14:55:00 -
[70] - Quote
AP Grasshopper wrote:Sorry your Gek lost its flavor and your swarm no longer one shots tanks....
1 shot? Even 1.6 Somas weren't OHKed when fitted properly.
Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub
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The Attorney General
2044
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Posted - 2014.02.18 15:01:00 -
[71] - Quote
Atiim wrote:
Oh dang, I forgot.
What timezone are you in?
Eastern.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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Sgt Buttscratch
lcritMYpantS
1690
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Posted - 2014.02.18 15:06:00 -
[72] - Quote
just remove MLT tanks...
They make 0 sense.
Cost of Scout gk.0 suit = 57,980 ISK, 2.8million SP with no real modules and no real weapons
Cost of soma = 59,565, 0SP with great modules and weapons
Thats the issue.
They require no skills(as shown by 98.75% of 1.7 tankers) and cost 2 bucks more than the BEST dropsuits. and 35,000 isk less than a Commando AK.0.
27,000 ISK cheaper than ONE proto burst, breach or tactical assault rifle.
So take MLT tanks out, and revert to 1.6 logic where it took near enough 10 million SP just to run agood armor tank, then I will have no issue with tanks.
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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