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CrotchGrab 360
The Men In The Mirror
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Posted - 2014.02.15 15:16:00 -
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I've played many games today where tanks meant all you could do was hide on high ground, but then they would roll up hills and just shoot you there anyway, you would have snipers purposefully sniping that one spot because they know you're only able to be there and nowhere else.
and it's only a matter of time before you get hit by an orbital.
it's DEPRESSING
DUST right now is UNPLAYABLE
You've got duna2002 and his braindead army of scrub tankers ruining every single ambush game running 6 tanks. Are you guys even ******* serious about this game? Do you like DUST? Why do you continue to drive the playerbase away by being complete and utter insufferable douchebags little kids.
Every single game of Domination I play has at least 1 tank camping each and every single entrance into the objective.
I've just had to quit a game of Domination because I couldn't take the ******* stress of NEVER seeing a single human player the entire game and instead having 1 tank per entrance to the objective.
When bad players start losing, they just bring in tanks.
Also Russian players have to be the most cowardly people I have ever seen. I have never seen one outside of a tank, ever.
There is no point in playing this game right now, it's broken, it's unplayable, because of scrubs in groups in ******* TANKS.
CCP you can't even give us a straight ******* answer, will tanks be fixed in 1.8 YES OR NO, if not then you're going to lose a LOT of players.
To the scrubs relentlessly running blaster tanks in every ******* game mods, camping CRUs, camping objectives, go **** yourself and have fun with this game while it lasts. If you suddenly find it takes 20 minutes to get into a game, you only have yourself to blame because people are getting pretty ******* sick of this.
You may all see this is a huge rant but take in this ONE point: every single game I've played in today, no matter which opponent, no matter which server or which game mode has been RUINED by tanks.
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CRYPT3C W0LF
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
370
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Posted - 2014.02.15 15:18:00 -
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If you cant adapt, then whats the point?
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1081
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Posted - 2014.02.15 15:19:00 -
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thats like saying every single game youve been in up untill now has been ruined by people shooting at you.
and the point is that most of us have adapted and no longer give two ***** if theres a tank on the field unless its a GOOD tanker, the crappy ones cant do squad and wont kill you if you have half a brain.
fixes are incoming eventually, untill then either take a break or HTFU your choice |
Horizen Kenpachi
Kenpachi's Castle
171
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Posted - 2014.02.15 15:20:00 -
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Your right tanks need a buff then u wont need 6 at a time
Hit me with your nerf bat.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
2545
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Posted - 2014.02.15 15:38:00 -
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I played lolambush yday
When it isnt Rainbow effect protostomping which is fine by infantry standards i was against duna corp who use vehicles to stomp which is classed as OP by infantry standards but the outcome is the same - you get stomped either way and lose
Now i got put against duna corp with the green mushroom map and i managed to put uplinks inside the compound which was fine, tanks cannot enter the small areas and also cannot even effectively shoot you
The problem i found was that the infantry are just like headless chickens, instead of watching entrances and focusing fire on any enemy infantry dumb enough to run through the door they ran out to where the tanks could shoot them
We would have easily won the game if we had used cover and stayed where tanks cannot shoot us and just easily mow down the infantry
Now in the same situation if they were proto pubstomping with suits we would have lost since a protosuit can fit through a door and a tank cannot
As for domination its a big map and tank spam does not always win because if no one hacks the point you cannot win unless by clone count but if the infantry are smart and use cover then they cannot be cloned
Intelligence is OP
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
2518
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Posted - 2014.02.15 15:57:00 -
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All of this Tank talk has me wanting to login, throw 3,000,000 SP into FGs, buy some MLT Dropships, and make these chode lickers a thing of the past. But, I'm not burning up my PS3 with 'Fatal Error'514 just to put a few scrubs on notice.
Fix the 'Fatal Error' bullshit and I'll provide a balanced environment for my brethren.
I GÖú Kittens.
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Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.02.15 15:57:00 -
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Yeah, tanks aren't that bad, once you realize that they aren't really playing the game. Lord knows what they're doing.
I'm recruiting only the hardest hard-core-rers out there who are in here.
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Horizen Kenpachi
Kenpachi's Castle
171
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:17:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Yeah, tanks aren't that bad, once you realize that they aren't really playing the game. Lord knows what they're doing. Lisening to their radios dust fm
Hit me with your nerf bat.
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iTbagyou
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
210
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:24:00 -
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People dont adapt in dust, they QQ until its nerfed into uselessness. Tac Ar, AR, av, now RR and tanks. May as well turn dust into a pikkow fight game to please the whiners.
Official spokesman of Lipton Tea.
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Alternate Insano
SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD
65
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:32:00 -
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I was just in a tank spamwich and melee'd a tank with a militia light suit. He shot me with a railgun.
Oh my God, that horribly unfair, unbalanced, 70 ton , tracked, heavy attack vehicle with a gun the size of my **** just killed me!! the humanity! How could it happen!! It's so unfair! Oh, wait, no it's not.
If you can't solo a tank, get a squadmate to help you. No squad? Use squad finder. Better yet, start a squad and designate the tanks as targets and everyone in your squad will get some extra points when you pop it.
I do not use tanks, but also do not think that I should be able to take one out on my own. If I had my way the Soma would be as strong as the M1 Abrams. Nobody would be blowing up tanks with anything less than a bigger tank, or the yet to be released fighter jets.
Speaking of which, I can't wait to see how OP everyone says those are.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:47:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:I've played many games today where tanks meant all you could do was hide on high ground, but then they would roll up hills and just shoot you there anyway, you would have snipers purposefully sniping that one spot because they know you're only able to be there and nowhere else.
and it's only a matter of time before you get hit by an orbital.
it's DEPRESSING
DUST right now is UNPLAYABLE
You've got duna2002 and his braindead army of scrub tankers ruining every single ambush game running 6 tanks. Are you guys even ******* serious about this game? Do you like DUST? Why do you continue to drive the playerbase away by being complete and utter insufferable douchebags little kids.
Every single game of Domination I play has at least 1 tank camping each and every single entrance into the objective.
I've just had to quit a game of Domination because I couldn't take the ******* stress of NEVER seeing a single human player the entire game and instead having 1 tank per entrance to the objective.
When bad players start losing, they just bring in tanks.
Also Russian players have to be the most cowardly people I have ever seen. I have never seen one outside of a tank, ever.
There is no point in playing this game right now, it's broken, it's unplayable, because of scrubs in groups in ******* TANKS.
CCP you can't even give us a straight ******* answer, will tanks be fixed in 1.8 YES OR NO, if not then you're going to lose a LOT of players.
To the scrubs relentlessly running blaster tanks in every ******* game mods, camping CRUs, camping objectives, go **** yourself and have fun with this game while it lasts. If you suddenly find it takes 20 minutes to get into a game, you only have yourself to blame because people are getting pretty ******* sick of this.
You may all see this is a huge rant but take in this ONE point: every single game I've played in today, no matter which opponent, no matter which server or which game mode has been RUINED by tanks.
Ambush. There's your problem. |
Otavio Martins
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
206
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:58:00 -
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tanks are one of the things that makes this game different from CoD
RC-1087
Star Wars Fan.
Please gimme some ISK.
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
683
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:05:00 -
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I would say skill into forge guns but its a waste of isk running Av. Get a tank and start making money.
Who wants some?
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME
855
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:07:00 -
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Ambush is being taken over by tanks and domination is being taken over by What the french on the euro server.
Skirmish is the most balanced of the 3 for me, and its not balanced.
Assassination is my thing.
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Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:17:00 -
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The problem isn't the strength of tanks. It's the now pathetic strength of AV.
I used to love seeing tanks in Ambush or Dom. I'd bust out the Prof. V Ishukone Assault and go to town. Now with lolhardeners they just laugh it off and continue to Zerg to the team. Hardener down? Drive away for 30 seconds and with the nerfed charge time and damage on the FG there's very little chance to land that shot before they turn a corner.
And don't even start on Swarms and AV Nades. Do people even use them anymore? The only way I've seen at least AV Nades be successful is when three people coordinated using them on a single tank, and even that was barely close.
Really the only effective anti tank measures right now are other tanks.
Let me play you the song of my people!
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Meknow Intaki
67
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:23:00 -
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A cheap bomb buggy fit is key to taking down tanks....
I can do more with one 8000isk BB then half a squad can do with millions of isk worth of AV =ƒÿ¦ |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1825
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:24:00 -
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There's nothing wrong with tanks.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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RKKR
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
739
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:24:00 -
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I wished I saw more AV on the field.
Drop down a proxy/RE field if you know there are going to be tankers, spam some AV-nades,....
I'm not saying that you are going to Own tanks but You would be suprised how many ****-tankers there are and if there is more than one player doing it, the more **** tankers are going to be exposed.
I can't wait untill they balance those hardeners and speed. |
Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
95
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:27:00 -
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the point might be to sell more aurum AV
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
576
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:27:00 -
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Agreed that tanks need to be fixed before they go implementing a infantry patch. Makes no sense to do all this infantry work, when infantry are struggling (namely ambush) to deal with tanks, or I should say, the sheer number of tanks.
I think that this problem is rather specific. In ambush, having 6 tanks on one side, basically means a win.
Though, as I have been doing a lot of domination of late, the same can apply to that mode as well. Map dependent of course.
And of course skirmish, tanks can have a large impact, but at least infantry generally has a place to go, and plenty of room to frolic.
Tanks have always been somewhat of a problem in ambush, though pre 1.7 they were very easy to deal with. Now though, they are nearly impossible for anything but a forge gun or tank, and even then it can be a struggle. One tank, not an issue, though 6 tanks and you are going to have a bad time, mkay.
From my personal experience, a lot of this is due to milita tanks. Very rarely do I ever blow up an actual gunnlogi or maddie. Milta tanks are incredibly cheap, and very powerful. Because of this, it is very easy to spam. Given the new resistances and reps, these things can also be impossible for any infantry AV, especially when you have enemy AI running around.
But, there is a trend going around atm. Did you know, that tanking pre 1.7 actually wasn't that awful at one time. While I did get blown up quite often starting out, I was able to survive much longer until swarms came along. See in the beginning, a LOT of people were just starting out. Then a triple SP event came around, and guess what happened. Everyone and their mothers speced into swarm launchers, thus the tanker QQ got thick and heavy. People figured out, hey, swarm launchers murder tanks, thus more swarms were on the field.
What I'm noticing, are a lot more STD tanks on the field. So even if they were to do something with milita, tanks will still be a problem. It will shift from MLT tanks to STD tanks.
Adjust cost on MLT tanks to better reflect their power (they are very similar in power to their STD couterpart) cost needs to certainly increase. This WILL stop the spam. But still, I think the focus will simply shift to the STD tanks. You think MLT tanks are bad, try an SP invested tank.
What I would like to see, is an overall price hike on tanks in general.
Say a fit for a pro tank is a Mil.
A MLT fit should be at 400 to 500K
So tanks in general will cost you half a mil to a mil to run per game. Given their power, this is totally fair.
Next, WP for tank damage needs to be implemented. What this does, is make it very appealing to actually attempt AV against a tank. So one tank rolls up, and over half the team switches to AV, that tank WILL die, AV will get a good chunk for the effort, and tanks will still require multiple people to take them out.
Everyone's happier.
Add WP for tank damage, make it appealing to run AV against a tank.
And of course, tanks need to be FINISHED ALREADY. I've already put out my idea's on tank fixes but for the mean time, what I stated here should happen with the 1.8 release. No buffing of AV, or nerfing of tanks. Things are in a better spot than you think with tank balance, the problem though is the ease at which people can run tanks, which results in the "TANK SPAM" and the cries to nerf tanks.
Rather than doing something stupidly drastic ( again ) make these small changes so you can actually focus on balancing the numbers. Fix the actual problems not the skewed misinterpretations of people less familiar with tanks!
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Nuff Said
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
1105
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:40:00 -
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I've done an Ambush with only one tank yesterday. ONE!
Can you believe that?! There is still hope! |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1825
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:42:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:All of this Tank talk has me wanting to login, throw 3,000,000 SP into FGs, buy some MLT Dropships, and make these chode lickers a thing of the past. But, I'm not burning up my PS3 with 'Fatal Error'514 just to put a few scrubs on notice.
Fix the 'Fatal Error' bullshit and I'll provide a balanced environment for my brethren. Lol, you think simply doing that makes you good at forge gunning?
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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scuba678
the.R3D.kings
131
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:42:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:There's nothing wrong with tanks.
hahahahahhahahahah
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scuba678
the.R3D.kings
131
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:43:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Rynoceros wrote:All of this Tank talk has me wanting to login, throw 3,000,000 SP into FGs, buy some MLT Dropships, and make these chode lickers a thing of the past. But, I'm not burning up my PS3 with 'Fatal Error'514 just to put a few scrubs on notice.
Fix the 'Fatal Error' bullshit and I'll provide a balanced environment for my brethren. Lol, you think simply doing that makes you good at forge gunning?
Nerf coming your way...then QQ time |
buzzzzzzz killllllllll
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:43:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:There's nothing wrong with tanks.
You sir, are a dumbass and need to stfu about tanks. I know because I have 8 mil in tanks and 4 mil in forge guns, as well as adv res and nades, and there is no balance at all |
voidfaction
Void of Faction
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:44:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote: I was just in a tank spamwich and melee'd a tank with a militia light suit. He shot me with a railgun.
Oh my God, that horribly unfair, unbalanced, 70 ton , tracked, heavy attack vehicle with a gun the size of my **** just killed me!! the humanity! How could it happen!! It's so unfair! Oh, wait, no it's not.
If you can't solo a tank, get a squadmate to help you. No squad? Use squad finder. Better yet, start a squad and designate the tanks as targets and everyone in your squad will get some extra points when you pop it.
I do not use tanks, but also do not think that I should be able to take one out on my own. If I had my way the Soma would be as strong as the M1 Abrams. Nobody would be blowing up tanks with anything less than a bigger tank, or the yet to be released fighter jets.
Speaking of which, I can't wait to see how OP everyone says those are.
And how many people does it take to operate your M1 Abrams? Can be done with 3 4 = Commander, loader, gunner, driver
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no isk 4-you
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:46:00 -
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buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:There's nothing wrong with tanks. You sir, are a dumbass and need to stfu about tanks. I know because I have 8 mil in tanks and 4 mil in forge guns, as well as adv res and nades, and there is no balance at all
of course hes a dumbass, even a forum noob like me know spkr is the biggest dumbass and thinks repeating tanks are not op will stop a nerf |
Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.02.15 19:05:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:
To the scrubs relentlessly running blaster tanks in every ******* game mods, camping CRUs, camping objectives, go **** yourself and have fun with this game while it lasts. If you suddenly find it takes 20 minutes to get into a game, you only have yourself to blame because people are getting pretty ******* sick of this.
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Sometimes I miss the old CRU camping before the fixes. Then I remember some of us were just being doucebags ruining the game deserving hot Fireplace Pokers inserted in unmentionable places. Still it was pretty cool racking up those freebie no-skill kills.
Here, have some candy and a Like. :-)
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richiesutie 2
The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback
782
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Posted - 2014.02.15 19:18:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:I played lolambush yday
When it isnt Rainbow effect protostomping which is fine by infantry standards i was against duna corp who use vehicles to stomp which is classed as OP by infantry standards but the outcome is the same - you get stomped either way and lose
Now i got put against duna corp with the green mushroom map and i managed to put uplinks inside the compound which was fine, tanks cannot enter the small areas and also cannot even effectively shoot you
The problem i found was that the infantry are just like headless chickens, instead of watching entrances and focusing fire on any enemy infantry dumb enough to run through the door they ran out to where the tanks could shoot them
We would have easily won the game if we had used cover and stayed where tanks cannot shoot us and just easily mow down the infantry
Now in the same situation if they were proto pubstomping with suits we would have lost since a protosuit can fit through a door and a tank cannot
As for domination its a big map and tank spam does not always win because if no one hacks the point you cannot win unless by clone count but if the infantry are smart and use cover then they cannot be cloned
Yup because everyone wants to win, even if its mean your bored for the whole match.
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
1167
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Posted - 2014.02.15 20:01:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote: I was just in a tank spamwich and melee'd a tank with a militia light suit. He shot me with a railgun.
Oh my God, that horribly unfair, unbalanced, 70 ton , tracked, heavy attack vehicle with a gun the size of my **** just killed me!! the humanity! How could it happen!! It's so unfair! Oh, wait, no it's not.
If you can't solo a tank, get a squadmate to help you. No squad? Use squad finder. Better yet, start a squad and designate the tanks as targets and everyone in your squad will get some extra points when you pop it.
I do not use tanks, but also do not think that I should be able to take one out on my own. If I had my way the Soma would be as strong as the M1 Abrams. Nobody would be blowing up tanks with anything less than a bigger tank, or the yet to be released fighter jets.
Speaking of which, I can't wait to see how OP everyone says those are. Wait, people are still trying to use "ITS A TANK!!" as a game balance argument?
As for squadding up, yes that's a good idea. Yes, I agree that it should take a squad of AVers to kill a tank. But then I believe it should take a crew of 3 to operate the tank.
While tanks can be operated effectively solo but require multiple people to kill (and before the "I solo'd a tank" crowd jump in, I'm talking in general not specific instances) it can not be balanced in a game that has a hard limit of 16 players per side.
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